Evidence suggesting FINA contains ESTROGEN

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BIGGERTHANU450

HOW WHERE YOU CYCLING YOUR FINA?AND DID YOU TAKE ANYTHING ELSE WITH IT.

 

[biggerthanu450]

Spidey,
Thanks for sharing your test results on FINA. I'm wondering if you got it from the same source. I have access to HPLC, and thought of testing the purity also.
The saliva test is basically spitting in a 10ml falcon tube. I plan to acquire this sample after taking oral FINA, but before i take that sample i will do a test after 3 weeks of totally being off FINA.

 

[zen42]

I THOUGHT IT WAS PROVEN YOU CANT TAKE THE PROGESTRONE OR THE PROPIONATE OUT OF THE FINA? NO MATTER HOW CLEAN OR STERILE YOU MAKE IT?THATS WHY I BUY MY TREN ALREADY MADE BY BOOTLEGGERS,THEY MAKE IT BY POWDER USP GRADE TRENBOLONE,MAYBE I COULD START SAVING MONEY BY MAKING MY OWN !HELP ME OUT BROTHERS

There is no progesterone in Finaplix-H. There is no propionate in Finaplix-H. If the manufacturer sold Fina with something other than TA in the pellets they would quickly go out of business due to lawsuits (if the government didn't get them first).

There is no oversight for bootleggers.

 

[zen42]

At the start of the cycle I could bench 405 for 4 and at the end of 2 weeks i was getting it for a solid 6 reps with one additional forced rep. My weight only went up a few pounds (3-4), but my vascularity increased. I had NO bloat, which is inconsistent with high estrogen, but I am not going to argue with 2 separate test results. I think the strength of trenbolone overwhelms the effect of estrogen due to the fact that it has incredible binding affinity to multiple types of steroid receptors. That is my best guess!

Trenbolone (actually its metabolites) does seem to affect several receptors. And there are still many questions in this area. One area that seems to be settled is that Trenbolone's effect would be to DOWN-regulate the ER (due to binding to the PR, I believe). It might be the reason you haven't expected estrogen symptoms despite a high score.

I still don't see any way that TA could have raised your estrogen levels, let alone that high.

Maybe your girlfriend is swapping your TA with birth control pills!

 

[biggerthanu450]

I have to admit that these test results have totally blown my mind!!! I thought my estrogen was going to measure lower than normal (like it usually does) due to the use of 1.25mg of femara every 3-4 days in conjunction with my normal HRT (100mg enanthate every 5 days).
The results from my saliva test from ZRT labs came first, and I basically told them that they were wrong, so they retested my sample with the exact same results!! My bloodwork came back 2 days later and it confirmed this super high estradiol level. This is very strange since my sides were very slight...if at all.
I agree with Zen...the tren could be affecting other receptors. I think it's possible my test results were a "false positive" for estrogen due to the nonspecific binding of trenbolone in the assay.

 

[zen42]

Well, I'm stumped. I've done a lot of research on Trenbolone over the years and I stand by my statements that Finaplix-H doesn't contain or convert/metabolize in any way to estrogen (E1, E2, or E3).

With Femera, TA and your HRT dosage I would expect fairly low estrogen scores.

I haven't found any evidence that trenbolone or high progestin levels would cause a false positive (though I can't rule it out).

There is something we haven't accounted for, but I don't know what it is. Maybe somebody else will have a brilliant thought.

You certainly aren't exhibiting symptoms of high estrogen. (Do you have an overdriving urge to watch the Lifetime Channel???)

Anybody else have some thoughts on this???

 

[Skullfucked]

I am absoultely positive it was FINA. I still have the box. The doctors who did the saliva hormone analysis actually retested my sample to confirm these high results, and the called me immediately to state I had been exposed to very high levels of estrogen. I am going to do another test within a few days. My nipples were itchy during my oral FINA cycle, and that is rare since nothing else has given me symptoms.
It is possible they (the supplier) is repackaging synovex and selling it as FINA due to the high demand.....just a thought

there is fina with estradiol in it btw

 

[juiceddreadlocks]

I have chemically analyzed finaplix-H on at least two occasions. Only trenbolone acetate (and methyl cellulose binder) was present. I checked by TLC and 1HNMR. THERE IS NO ESTROGEN IN COMMERCIAL FINAPLIX-H.

Fina doesn't aromatize and form estrogen by metabolism so that isn't a possibility either.

As Sigmund stated above, it is plausible that trenbolone itself could be mistaken for estrogen in some types of tests. Remember, trenbolone is not a naturally occuring hormone in humans and developers of an estrogen test would have no incentive or reason to develop a test capable of telling the two hormones apart.

Try this: Assuming that your fina pellets are yellow (not white) and came in a belt (rather than a cylindrical container), have another saliva test bu this time put a little crushed up fina pellet and a little water on the test trip. If that comes back as positive for estrogen, than the hypothesis above is proven.

-Spidey

whatd you use to develop the TLC plates, im interested in trying this, and what did you come up with for an RF for TA?

 

[Spidey]

there is fina with estradiol in it btw

Holy Shit! Why didn't I think of that. There are trenbolone acetate estradiol benzoate mixtures. I don't remember which ones without going and looking it up; I think Finaplix-S may contain estradiol benzoate (or progesterone). Make sure the box says Finaplix-H on it. That is the one you want and has only 200 mg trenbolone acetate per dose; no estradiol benzoate or progesterone.

juicedmullet- I am working from memory here (I didn't want to save any evidence of illegal activity) but it was an ethyl acetate/hexane mixture. I think 25% ethylacetate in hexane and the rf was like 0.3. I did some synovex recently though and remember those conditions better. TLC solvent for test prop is 50% ethylacetate in hexane and the rf=0.23 (Merk plates). Estradiol benzoate is lower rf (about 0.15). Oh yeah, both trenbolone acetate and test prop (and estradiol benzoate for that matter) are highly UV active so the plates are easily visualized under a UV lamp. Alternatively, you can develop the plates by dipping them in a 5% aqueous solution of KMnO4 and heating them carefully with a heat gun. The spots will show up as yellow spots on a maroon or purple background. Careful not to heat too much or the entire plate will turn yellow and the spots will be hard to see.

-Spidey

 

[TJ315]

This is VERY interesting to me.

Last summer I bought 3 carts from the same location and I bloated like crazy.

I was not taking any anti-e's because you are not supposed to bloat on fina. Once I began my fina and started bloating I was told by my bros that sometimes it happens and that the bloat would go away (progesterone reaction?). Once I stopped my fina usage, I dropped all the bloat; about half of my 30lb gain.

The company did not send me a box. However, they did wrap the pellet cartridges in newspaper and mail it in a manilla envelope.

Being that I've seen fina cartidges before and that the pellets were yellow, I had thought it was fine.

Overall, I wasn't disappointed too much as the bloat went away leaving me with about 10-12 lbs of lean mass.


Interesting.....