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gjohnson5 said:
I agree with everything you said here, especially the last part. Berardi has a good article on T-nation talking about exactly what you said here. His number was I think 60% of max HR though.
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ross
If I even attempted to reduce my calories and incorporate cardiovascular activity in to my regimen without the use of anabolic steroids, I would lose a SIGNIFICANT amount of lean muscle tissue; I have done it before, and I am NOT willing to do it again.
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nelson
THAT"S BECAUSE YOU DON:T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING. DUDE, YOU HAVE AMAZING GENETICS, BUT YOU"VE BEEN ON GEAR PRETTY MUCH NON STOP SINCE YOU"RE 20 YEARS OLD. BETWEN THE TWO, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW HOW TO GET RESULTS WITHOUT STEROIDS AND YOU SURE DON'T KNOW HOW TO ADVISE A HARDGAINER.
ross
If I even attempted to reduce my calories and incorporate cardiovascular activity in to my regimen without the use of anabolic steroids, I would lose a SIGNIFICANT amount of lean muscle tissue; I have done it before, and I am NOT willing to do it again.
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nelson
THAT"S BECAUSE YOU DON:T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING. DUDE, YOU HAVE AMAZING GENETICS, BUT YOU"VE BEEN ON GEAR PRETTY MUCH NON STOP SINCE YOU"RE 20 YEARS OLD. BETWEN THE TWO, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW HOW TO GET RESULTS WITHOUT STEROIDS AND YOU SURE DON'T KNOW HOW TO ADVISE A HARDGAINER.
Tatyana
Elite Mentor
I am defo not a hardgainer, but I have comp prepped and put ON lean tissue.
My calories were between 1800-2200 (I could check, I have records).
My first qualifier I was 57 kg at about 12 % bodyfat, my last comp of the season I was 60 kg at 8-9% bodyfat.
I am not the only nattie to do this.
Some of you think that testosterone is the only way that muscle grows, not so.
Gherelin, the hunger hormone is one of the most potent stimulator of growth hormone. Oestrogen is also a secretagogue of GH.
One of the ways that testosterone works is to prime cells for increased protein synthesis (via heat shock proteins), which can also be attained with a well timed carb/protein drink (albeit to a lesser effect).
I do think far too many of you have been brainwashed thinking the drugs are necessary.
I know a few UK bber who had to come off the gear for a short period of time, and realised that they had been using gear to make up for short comings in their diet and/or training.
Some of you really don't know what you are missing in obtaining your genetic potential if you think that it is only gear use.
Personally, I like this, it gives me that fire in my belly to do that 'Oh yah, well, I guess I will have to demonstrate this'.
My calories were between 1800-2200 (I could check, I have records).
My first qualifier I was 57 kg at about 12 % bodyfat, my last comp of the season I was 60 kg at 8-9% bodyfat.
I am not the only nattie to do this.
Some of you think that testosterone is the only way that muscle grows, not so.
Gherelin, the hunger hormone is one of the most potent stimulator of growth hormone. Oestrogen is also a secretagogue of GH.
One of the ways that testosterone works is to prime cells for increased protein synthesis (via heat shock proteins), which can also be attained with a well timed carb/protein drink (albeit to a lesser effect).
I do think far too many of you have been brainwashed thinking the drugs are necessary.
I know a few UK bber who had to come off the gear for a short period of time, and realised that they had been using gear to make up for short comings in their diet and/or training.
Some of you really don't know what you are missing in obtaining your genetic potential if you think that it is only gear use.
Personally, I like this, it gives me that fire in my belly to do that 'Oh yah, well, I guess I will have to demonstrate this'.
chazk said:
AND THEY USED Anabolic Steroids while CUTTING! LOL
Obviously those figures I used were merely hypothetical, but my point remains; if you are a STEROID USER(several cycles under your belt) than you will require anabolic steroids for an OPTIMUM CUTTING CYCLE.
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People are trying to bark up on the 'terminology'.
Whether you call it 'bulker' or 'cutter', it is still AAS. It has the same effect whatever you call it.
I want to get big (God! I want it so bad). BUT I WANT MUSCLE, NOT FAT.
If you eat excess calories (more than you need to build muscle), you will form fat. I ate too much in my last cycle, and I developed extra fat.
Excess calories = excess fat.
I don't know which method is better: First to bulk and then cut, or have a 'lean cycle' (you just eat enough protein and calories to build muscle, without getting fat). Probably different methods work for different pdople.
If you don't want to get fat, you can not eat too many calories.
If you want to lose fat, you have to cut calories.
If you lose weigt rapidly, you will lose some muscle.
If you take AAS at the same time, that will prevent significant muscle loss, while still losing fat.
These are simple facts. If you don't agree with it, too bad.
Whether you call it 'bulker' or 'cutter', it is still AAS. It has the same effect whatever you call it.
I want to get big (God! I want it so bad). BUT I WANT MUSCLE, NOT FAT.
If you eat excess calories (more than you need to build muscle), you will form fat. I ate too much in my last cycle, and I developed extra fat.
Excess calories = excess fat.
I don't know which method is better: First to bulk and then cut, or have a 'lean cycle' (you just eat enough protein and calories to build muscle, without getting fat). Probably different methods work for different pdople.
If you don't want to get fat, you can not eat too many calories.
If you want to lose fat, you have to cut calories.
If you lose weigt rapidly, you will lose some muscle.
If you take AAS at the same time, that will prevent significant muscle loss, while still losing fat.
These are simple facts. If you don't agree with it, too bad.
nzrodney
Banned
You DO NOT need gear to be a competative BBer & you can go into a reduced calorie diet but you WILL LOSE a % of muscle mass.
If you use gear as a competative BBer YOU WILL RETAIN MORE muscle mass while in a reduced calorie diet plan.
Example:
On my Pacific Island we have two competative BBing Competition groups. Federation & NABBA. Federation is drug tested & most competitors will be drug free well before a competition. NABBA is not drug tested. On stage it is clearly obvious who those competitors using gear are leading up to a comp. You just cannot get the definition, fullness, hardness & muscle size & lean body mass without some AAS & ancillaries. Everyone must make their own choice. I choose NABBA
If you use gear as a competative BBer YOU WILL RETAIN MORE muscle mass while in a reduced calorie diet plan.
Example:
On my Pacific Island we have two competative BBing Competition groups. Federation & NABBA. Federation is drug tested & most competitors will be drug free well before a competition. NABBA is not drug tested. On stage it is clearly obvious who those competitors using gear are leading up to a comp. You just cannot get the definition, fullness, hardness & muscle size & lean body mass without some AAS & ancillaries. Everyone must make their own choice. I choose NABBA
Ross said:
This statement makes no sense. Someone who used steroids will lose more muscle than someone who does not?
Ross said:
As far as giving advice, YES.
I saw your pics when you were a teenager Ross. I'll give it up to you, you've got great genetics. Nobody builds a great frame from knowledge. That's god-given.
As far as how much muscle you've put on with gear in inconsequential. You look good bro. But I see hundreds of guys as big as you every day.
Anyone can take gear and work out. That doesn't mean they know it all and it certainly doesn't mean they know how to best advise people. How can you endorse a product that obviously has nothing to do with your progress? I had to bust my ass for years to gain every ounce of muscle. But I learned how. I competed on dosages you would consider "bridging."
So I guess the difference here is; you see steroid use as a lifestyle. I see it as an occasional aid to bodybuilding pursuits. But irrespective of our differences, it doesn't change certain realities. And the reality is; steroids are growth drugs. That's what they're designed to do and that's what they do best.
