Everybody Here SUCKS!

[airsmith2k]

I 100% agree with you westie. But 99.8% of people here dont compete. So the man thats telling everyone they cant lean out and not lose all their muscle without steroids....he should be addressing the competitive guys. NOT THE AVERAGE ELITE USER. Thats why I call that bad advice. What would you call it?

That is exactly why I didn't disclose any names. I wasn't talking about you specifically. Just because someone looks good, doesn't mean their healthy and that they have the right advice to give. And just because someone isn't jacked, that doesn't mean their advice isn't every bit as good as mine.

And about that end result...that end result can be acquired in a very unhealthy manner. Gear on top of gear on top of gear WILL force you to grow. That doesn't mean their advice is smart. And no, I'm not talking about anyone in particular. This is a general statement.

Chris

bro can i borrow that huge vein in ur biceps for a few weeks?

 

[khemix]

I believe you will lose lean BODY mass which is different from muscle mass.
Also I believe he used the word SIGNIFICANT... So he believe that ANYONE will lose significant muscle mass while dieting.
I believe it is totally possible to naturally lose 30 lbs without dropping muscle

What I am saying is that his diet needs work. Muscle mass losses can be minimized with a good diet and cardio which is directed at fat loss. This is the whole reason we have diet and cardio boards. If you don't read them then you can give the impression that the only way is drug use.

Use more nutrient dense meals with more competent timing as well as with 65% VO2MAX style cardio and muscle mass losses can be minimized.

FOR GODS SAKE WOULD YOU PEOPLE READ THIS POST. AND THEN READ IT AGAIN!!!! AND THEN ONE MORE TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you GJ.

Chris

 

[halfcenturian]

FOOD FIGHT!!!

There is so much Testosterone flowing on this thread, you can smell it!

Guys are going for position like the horses at the start of the Kentucky Derby!




TIME OUT!

 

[Para_Shoot]

Nelson says "Face it. You, me, and most everyone here will never be a pro. Stop using steroids like you're one!"


I couldn't agree more! So Nelson, when is your next topic going to come out explaining why you DON'T have to run ungodly mega-doses to see results, like a gram a week or more people run?

 

[khemix]

Nelson says "Face it. You, me, and most everyone here will never be a pro. Stop using steroids like you're one!"

I apparently missed this post. I think there should be an amendment to it: "Stop telling people to use steroids like they're pros!"

And halfy, you're not kidding about all this drama. Such bullshit.

And I want to make sure everyone sees this post. Someone has to be the fucking voice of reason, rather than the voice of a juicehead.

I believe you will lose lean BODY mass which is different from muscle mass.
Also I believe he used the word SIGNIFICANT... So he believe that ANYONE will lose significant muscle mass while dieting.
I believe it is totally possible to naturally lose 30 lbs without dropping muscle

What I am saying is that his diet needs work. Muscle mass losses can be minimized with a good diet and cardio which is directed at fat loss. This is the whole reason we have diet and cardio boards. If you don't read them then you can give the impression that the only way is drug use.

Use more nutrient dense meals with more competent timing as well as with 65% VO2MAX style cardio and muscle mass losses can be minimized.

Listen up people ^^.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Not only do Anabolic Steroids produce a "look" which is extremely dense, hard, striated and vascular, they also PRESERVE muscle mass while DIETING!


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NOT VERY MUCH THOUGH. AS GJOHNSON SAID, YOU LOSE MASS, BUT NOT MUSCLE, IF YOU DIET CORRECTLY.


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If I even attempted to reduce my calories and incorporate cardiovascular activity in to my regimen without the use of anabolic steroids, I would lose a SIGNIFICANT amount of lean muscle tissue; I have done it before, and I am NOT willing to do it again.

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THAT"S BECAUSE YOU DON:T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING. DUDE, YOU HAVE AMAZING GENETICS, BUT YOU"VE BEEN ON GEAR PRETTY MUCH NON STOP SINCE YOU"RE 20 YEARS OLD. BETWEN THE TWO, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW HOW TO GET RESULTS WITHOUT STEROIDS AND YOU SURE DON'T KNOW HOW TO ADVISE A HARDGAINER.


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Your body can barely maintain it's own muscle mass even when BULKING in a NATURAL state, and you think you can actually maintain your muscle mass while CUTTING in a natural state?

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SO YOU"RE SAYING MUSCLE GROWTH IN GENERAL IS BARELY POSSIBLE WITHOUT STEROIDS???


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You have no experience my man, plain and simple,


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NOW THAT IS FUNNY! DUDE, I PLACED IN THE NPC WHEN YOU WERE SPROUTING YOUR FIRST PUBES.




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just callling a spade a spade, not being combative.


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YOU"RE HILAREOUS. NOW GO HAVE A HEINEKEN.

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[khemix]

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Given the advice that Ross gave in that post, that you outlined....

I can't believe they let him return. There was a debate on whether or not to let him return due to some of the bad advice he had given in his previous stay. Now we, the mentors, the mods, and the knowledgeable, have to babysit his posts, hoping to hell we catch when he gives someone bad advice.

Thats fine though, I've been meaning to spend more time with you guys anyways .

Chris

 

[Big_BK]

Nelson says "Face it. You, me, and most everyone here will never be a pro. Stop using steroids like you're one!"


I couldn't agree more! So Nelson, when is your next topic going to come out explaining why you DON'T have to run ungodly mega-doses to see results, like a gram a week or more people run?

This is a good point that needs to be brought up on ALL board IMO. Too many people are wanting to run cycles that pro's run but they fail to realize they don't have the size the pro's have, the years of experience and growth or the genetics. I have a great life example. I know a guy who has to copy everyone on everything he does so he always has the best. One of the more recent things was getting a motorcycle. He has never rode a bike before and has no experience but goes out and gets a racing bike, expensive gloves, hemelet, etc. and can barely ride the thing and hardly does.

With that being said, the pro's do what they do because they made it that far and do what they need to in order to succeed at that level. Trying to copy a pro before you make it that far will not work, all the pieces need to be in place.

 

[Ross]

Elite Fitness is a STEROID & BODYBUILDING FORUM. LOSING MUSCLE MASS IS UNACCEPTABLE! The whole point of using steroids, as Nelson stated, is TO GROW MUSCLE.

Nelson says: "Face it. You, me, and most everyone here will never be a pro. Stop using steroids like you're one!"

Who the HECK is advising people to use steroids like a PRO? 400mgs of Primobolan is FAR from a heavy cycle, and that is ALL that is required when CUTTING.

Unless you weigh 150lbs and you have virtually no training experience, anyone who tries to reduce their calories and increase cardio in a calorie defecit will LOSE MUSCLE MASS. If you are even remotely over your natural limit, anabolic steroids are not only required when attempting to reduce bodyfat by entering a caloric defecit, they are even required to MAINTAIN your lean muscle mass when eating a calorie surplus.

You do remember Arnold said: "I only use Anabolic Steroids when dieting in preperation for a contest, so that I don't lose my muscle".

 

[khemix]

Bro....you're telling people that theres no physical way to maintain any kind of muscle, while trying to lean out, without steroids.

Thats is bad advice!! Just because you seem dependant on steroids to accomplish your fitness goals doesn't mean thats the advice you give to everyone else!

You need to be directing people to the Diet & Nutrition board for this shit man. You're exactly part of whats wrong with the world today. The only way you feel like you can do it...is the easy, steroid way. I'm sorry.

There is a reason there was such a strong debate on whether or not to let you return. And I feel like one of those reasons has been outlined here. The advice you are giving is not only bad, but it makes people feel dependant on steroids. Thanks Ross.

Chris

Elite Fitness is a STEROID & BODYBUILDING FORUM.

LOSING MUSCLE MASS IS UNACCEPTABLE!

Nelson says: "Face it. You, me, and most everyone here will never be a pro. Stop using steroids like you're one!"

Who the HECK is advising people to use steroids like a PRO? 400mgs of Primobolan is FAR from a heavy cycle.

Unless you weigh 150lbs and you have virtually no training experience, anyone who tries to reduce their calories and increase cardio in a calorie defecit will LOSE MUSCLE MASS.

If you are even remotely over your natural limit, anabolic steroids are not only required when attempting to reduce bodyfat by entering a caloric defecit, they are even required to MAINTAIN your lean muscle mass when eating a calorie surplus.