Everybody Here SUCKS!

[Nelson Montana]

In a manner of speaking.

Allow me to explain.

I've said this before but it bares repeating. STEROIDS ARE GROWTH DRUGS. People have got to stop this "Lean bulking" bullshit. I would love to erase the word "CUTTER" from the message boards. Why? Because it's a fallacy and a waste of gear.

The technique of "cutting" with gear became popular among competitive bodybuilders in the 90's in a effort to maintain anabolism while restricting calories (and taking stims) in order to cut. It doesn't do much good but at that level you have to take every advantage you can get. Now I see guys who barely look like they work out doing a "lean bulk" with gear. Fuck, step back from the refrigerator and get a little closer to the squat rack!

I'd say except in the case of maybe one or two members (that means the other TWO THOUSAND of you)...STOP WASTING MONEY ON GEAR THAT IS NOT BEING PROPERLY UTILIZED!

Protein, calories and heavy lifting is what allows steroids to be effective, not
cutting calories and doing cardio. That's fucking gay.

Sure, some may say "cutting" while on a cycle worked for them, but it's a vanity trip. The results will be short lived. Hell, I have a client who was using nothing but ZIP and Lypoflame but I had him cut back on carbs and shortened time between sets and in 3 weeks, though he's about the same weight, is far more ripped and rock hard. That's the way you do it.

Face it. You, me, and most everyone here will never be a pro. Stop using steroids like you're one! Save that shit for a time when you're planning on getting bigger.

Gear if for GROWTH. Nuff said.

 

[swole]

i lean bulk

or should i say

i stay lean while bulking??

i'm confused

cool thing is about this primo and test run i only gained about 12lbs but i'm so much bigger and leaner it's incredible

all on maintenance calories, with the occasional day of stuffing my face with everything

i just watch and listen to my body - if i'm gaining bad weight i look at what i've been eating and make changes

i don't do cardio llolool

 

[aquatic_glories]

great post nelson.

losing fat naturally is much much easier than gaining muscle naturally. I dont understand why people waste gear on cutting. Sure it has benefits but nobody should forget that you arent doing good things to your body with AAS.
So if you risk your body, you should use it for the thing that will takme more time to accomplish.

 

[Nelson Montana]

i lean bulk

or should i say

i stay lean while bulking??

i'm confused

cool thing is about this primo and test run i only gained about 12lbs but i'm so much bigger and leaner it's incredible

all on maintenance calories, with the occasional day of stuffing my face with everything

i just watch and listen to my body - if i'm gaining bad weight i look at what i've been eating and make changes

i don't do cardio llolool

It sounds to me you're a guy who already has a solid base and when you juice you don't get fat or try to gain too fast or blow up with water. That's another issue. Guys think that all that bloating is growth. What you're doing is NOT what I would call "lean bulking." I'd call it "DOING A CYCLE."

And swole, you're one of the more advanced dudes here. Even your approach wouldn;t be best for 99% of the guys on the board.

 

[DaveTSI]

i made the mistake of trying to "cut" when i first started using aas a few years ago. then i realized when i come off and try to maintain the same bf and stay hard after the cycle it was pretty much impossible. A complete waste of time, gear, and dedication. When i do a cycle now i eat an ass load of calories, train heavy, and try to put on as much real mass as I possibly can.

 

[bw1]

I trained for 15 years before I ever touched gear. Train hard, eat hard

 

[halfcenturian]

I trained for 15 years before I ever touched gear. Train hard, eat hard

Me too. ^ ^ ^ The magic is 90% Diet and INTENSE workouts. 10% is gear.

 

[blackthunder]

I think a lot of people have done bulk cycles where they eat anything and everything in sight thinking it's all about amount of cals in. Needless to say they will add a good amount of fat with the muscle, so next time they plan a "cutter" or "clean bulk" where they will keep their diet in check, just uping clean cals.

Or at least thats what happend to me........

 

[Ross]

Try entering a calorie defecit and performing increased cardio while NOT ANY ANABOLIC STEROIDS; you will LOSE MUSCLE, plain and simple.

When I am dropping bodyfat, my cutting cycles consist of a minimum dosage of testosterone(200-300mgs) in conjunction with a secondary anabolic such as Primobolan or Masteron, and perhaps an oral to facilitate hardness and vascularity, such as Anavar or Winstrol.

Furthermore, certain steroids DRASTICALLY INCREASE MUSCLE HARDNESS(Masteron, Tren, Winstrol, Anavar, Halotestin), so these steroids are best utilized while the bodyfat percentage is low, so these effects can be seen.

However, I do agree with you Nelson that the primary purpose of Anabolic Steroids is to BUILD MUSCLE MASS, and guys trying to "CUT" for their first cycle or "lean bulk" without having sufficient mass is just ridiculous.

 

[Wulfgar]

basically you should ALWAYS be training for maximal size and muscle

If you want to get lean add some cardio, drop your carbs and take some thermos