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[string_bean00]

lol, artists


the hardcore ones are worse than hippies.

 

[redguru]

btw, at the same time that i'm basically arguing with most of the forum about how i did not DEVALUE my self by lowering my prices to something more reasonable, I also had a post in their equivalent to a chat forum. I said that I was invited to my bosses house, where she's hosting a party for the heads of all the divisions world wide, including the owner here. and me.

So i had asked what they suggested I bring and I said that i'd most likely bring a bottle of wine and... maybe a small handmade dish or something. half the people there said it would be rude of me to bring something.
wtf? rude to bring a hostess gift? a bottle of wine is rude?? our US salesman is bringing 2 dozen lobsters from MA... why is THAT not rude, but me bringing wine is?

god i hate these people.

Obviously they were all high during economics class or at a no nukes rally.

 

[jackangel]

holy crap. i just got totally blasted.

"XXX, here's the deal: You don't know if you made any money ( i DO know i made money. she didn't read that I brought home a few hundred dollars and only spent around $20 for supplies. i can't say to the penny what everything cost, but OBVIOUSLY i made money) because you don't know your costs, therefore you don't know if your prices were reasonable. I didn't say you did the other women an injustice, I said they probably weren't very happy with an amateur undercutting their sales.

As for offending people at lowering your prices, yes, you probably did. Many of the people responding make their living--or a good part of it--selling glass jewelry. They take that business very seriously. If you've been on this board very long you should know that they worry about the glass jewelry market being saturated with cheap goods from emerging market producers and from amateurs who bring down the rest of the market with lower-quality "I just got my kiln and now I want to make money with it" goods. (Check the archives if you don't believe me)

So if you post something that says you contributed to that worry, yeah, you're going to get some offended people. No, you don't raise your prices to $200, especially if, as you admit, your work wasn't worth it. You do some research before entering the market, and figure out what the market wants, what it's willing to pay for it, and how to produce it so you make a profit. I'm not sure why you think "it's my first show" is an excuse for not doing your homework.

According to your other posts, you're in marketing and sales, so you should know that. That's basic marketing 101 stuff, and the rules don't change just because it's glass. If you're serious about having a business, you need to be just as professional as those other guys. If you're not serious, why waste your time bringing down the market just a little bit more?"


i responded and totally blasted the bitch.

again, her post, although not impolite, indicates a lack of perspective.

 

[jerkbox]

Get slick, stenz, fizzle, Y, jack, SA, sulma, EP, maybe ssme but prolly not until like 4:30, etc. and all those other crazy witty mothers on it - you know where to find em. It'll be fun - at least for me. Those dudes make me laugh.

curse you for not mentioning me.....I was Hairy Potter once damnit!

How dare you.

 

[stilleto]

Obviously they were all high during economics class or at a no nukes rally.

well after one woman said i was participating in bringing down the whole art glass industry, another woman told me that she and a few other make 6 figure incomes...

so i asked how my few hundred in sales in cow country effected them AT ALL.

or why they weren't attacking grandma for selling her quilted stuff at the show and not bringing down the entire textile industry.

they couldn't reason with me. i'm relentless and a good debater. i'm a masterdebater in fact.

 

[heatherrae]

So, they basically say that you are unethical for not scheming to price fix with them?



Dumb asses.

 

[stilleto]

So, they basically say that you are unethical for not scheming to price fix with them?



Dumb asses.

yes, exactly. the normal people weren't saying that, but plenty were.
one said that because I tried explaining that this was not a juried show at an art center, but a small show in a lakeside community and that they weren't the type of people who lay out tons of money for things- that i was showing CONTEMPT for my customer. contempt. i'm not seeing the logic in recognizing the market and gearing towards it as contempt, but they also pointed out that it was a gross error of me, considering i'm in marketing.

I could have SWORN that marketing involves knowing your target audience and adjusting towards it...

 

[jerkbox]

yeah i dunno, i'd have to kind of agree with them....but you can't help that some people will pay for crap, because they don't know it's crap. with most things, it eventually becomes evident that you get what you pay for. They just need to find a way to overcome people buying the cheap crap.....which involves marketing their own value properly.

And if you aren't making cheap crap, my guess is people will keep buying your crap, and you'll eventually raise your prices, because you'll have to.

 

[stilleto]

yeah i dunno, i'd have to kind of agree with them....but you can't help that some people will pay for crap, because they don't know it's crap. with most things, it eventually becomes evident that you get what you pay for. They just need to find a way to overcome people buying the cheap crap.....which involves marketing their own value properly.

And if you aren't making cheap crap, my guess is people will keep buying your crap, and you'll eventually raise your prices, because you'll have to.

what i sold wasn't crap- it just wasn't find jewelry. next time i'm using better materials and raising the price though.

 

[jackangel]

eh, their own opinion is, as everyone's is, based purely on self-interest. that's fine, as long as they don't try to justify it. in the end, fuck 'em. even if you take money away from them, that's whose problem? if you guessed 'theirs', you win a prize.