ESTROGEN: The Misunderstood Male Hormone

[KOArtist]

So Nelson actually suggests chrysin?? I thought this compound was laughed off a pretty long time ago. Is there new studies on it or anything Im missing? Nelson?

 

[RADAR]

Very good post Nelson.........everyone needs to know info like this.Thanks for posting!


RADAR

 

[High-Jacked]

Informative post bro! It is good to have these things reinforced every so often. I definetly feel better when my E levels are in the "normal" range. Strength and libido as well as muscle fullness are much better.

BTW, can E levels drop from use of Nolva? I interpretted the effect of nolva to only block E in the nipple area, but not actually effect E levels?

 

[jboldman]

At last! You are on the right track here nelson. I have been fighting this fight for years.

jb

 

[Zyglamail]

A disturbing trend in bodybuilding and anabolic use has been the indiscriminate ellimination of estrogen. Most everyone does it. But does anyone know why? Or exactly how much they're removing? Sure, lots of people know the cliche's -- the supposed reasons fo blocking armotase. But I'd venture to quess 99% of the people using anabolics haven't a clue how much e they're supressing. And just as many haven't got a clue what it's doing to them.

I know your not a big fan of anti-estrogens and regardless what anyone thinks, even when on a boat load of anti-e's the average cycler here will still have significantly elevated estrogen. Is estrogen essential? Sure it is, but at the same time men, generally speaking can not handle 10x the amount of estrogen nearly as easily or sidefree as they can 10x normal androgen levels.

No offense Nelson but you used to come at this issue by toughting lower dose cycles but ever since you busted into the suppliment biz your focuse seems to be more cuppliment and hence profit driven.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Re: Re: ESTROGEN: The Misunderstood Male Hormone

I know your not a big fan of anti-estrogens and regardless what anyone thinks, even when on a boat load of anti-e's the average cycler here will still have significantly elevated estrogen. Is estrogen essential? Sure it is, but at the same time men, generally speaking can not handle 10x the amount of estrogen nearly as easily or sidefree as they can 10x normal androgen levels.

No offense Nelson but you used to come at this issue by toughting lower dose cycles but ever since you busted into the suppliment biz your focuse seems to be more cuppliment and hence profit driven.

Well, that's simply not true on all counts. There have been cases on guys on A-dex whose e- levels were in single digits.

And I still recommend sane dosages. You know that.

As far as touting supps, I've been an advocate of CDG for some time and have not made a dime on its sale. So I think it's a little unfair to say my post is profit driven just because the ingredients I found to be effective are in a formula I designed. Besides, where do I post a link to buy anything in this thread? If you want to discount promotional posts, there are plenty of other places you can go. Not here.

 

[Zyglamail]

Re: Re: Re: ESTROGEN: The Misunderstood Male Hormone

Well, that's simply not true on all counts. There have been cases on guys on A-dex whose e- levels were in single digits.

I never said some didnt suffer major estrogen suppression, I did say the average cycler. One more reason pre, during and post cycle bllod tests are important. Everyone responds a tad different and knowing how you respond is always a wise move.

 

[slobberknocker]

Before I decided to start competing in athletics again, I mostly stayed away from anti-E's. I think estrogen is essential for growth. But now I need anti-E's because I can't afford to let water bloat slow me down. I'd be interested to see what my actual E level is right now, when I'm on 1300 test and 1 mg/ed liquidex.

 

[JerseyDevil]

Ive never been a fan of a-dex simply because of its method of action.

 

[Silent Method]

It is funny that the issue of drug versus "non-drug" estrogen suppression was what so many focused on and took out of the post. Again, tools in the tool bag.