Equipose/test or dianabol/test?

[Pump2356]

Hey Guys,

Im still debating if I should use dianabol as a 4 week kick start for my first cycle ever with test or just add the eq in for 10 weeks along with test enth(500 mg) at a dosage of around 200-300mg .. Does any one have any experience running equipose with test...would the side affects be less (liver,acne, hair loss, higher/lower bd)as compared to using the dianabol and test? I'm worried about my hair and liver and i know dbol can be one of the hardest on those two.

my goal is to try and get 20 pounds out of my first cycle and I'm not sure if that is possible with test alone and also get with the least amount of side-effects and the most quality muscle possible without so much bloat( I'll be running arimidex at .25mg a day though and maybe nolvadex at 10mg)

any thoughts?

Thanks!!!

 

[ben dovergurl]

Hey Guys,

Im still debating if I should use dianabol as a 4 week kick start for my first cycle ever with test or just add the eq in for 10 weeks along with test enth(500 mg) at a dosage of around 200-300mg .. Does any one have any experience running equipose with test...would the side affects be less (liver,acne, hair loss, higher/lower bd)as compared to using the dianabol and test? I'm worried about my hair and liver and i know dbol can be one of the hardest on those two.

my goal is to try and get 20 pounds out of my first cycle and I'm not sure if that is possible with test alone and also get with the least amount of side-effects and the most quality muscle possible without so much bloat( I'll be running arimidex at .25mg a day though and maybe nolvadex at 10mg)

any thoughts?

Thanks!!!

run the dbol

 

[palehorse51]

Run the EQ.

The Dbol will give you quick,somewhat puffy gains that go away quickly when you come off. Plus Dbol is more toxic on the liver. You could do all 3 and kickstart the cycle with the dbol.

Im runnin test E 250 2x week and Eq 300 2x week right now. it is a great cycle.

You gotta run the EQ at at least 400mg/wk and for at least 14 weeks.The gains from Eq are slow, steady and solid lean mass. It takes a good 3 weeks for your gear to hit its full effect.

withdraw the test and Eq into the same syringe for single inject. I highly recommend 2 x week inject.

 

[KD1]

Run both.

 

[georgie24]

Hey Guys,

Im still debating if I should use dianabol as a 4 week kick start for my first cycle ever with test or just add the eq in for 10 weeks along with test enth(500 mg) at a dosage of around 200-300mg .. Does any one have any experience running equipose with test...would the side affects be less (liver,acne, hair loss, higher/lower bd)as compared to using the dianabol and test? I'm worried about my hair and liver and i know dbol can be one of the hardest on those two.

my goal is to try and get 20 pounds out of my first cycle and I'm not sure if that is possible with test alone and also get with the least amount of side-effects and the most quality muscle possible without so much bloat( I'll be running arimidex at .25mg a day though and maybe nolvadex at 10mg)

any thoughts?

Thanks!!!

if you can afford it run all 3

if not then run DBOL + TEST

 

[jitc476]

D-bol and test.
I vote d-bol because it is what i would consider the ideal compound to kickstart a test cycle..which is exactly what you are trying to do. I'd run 25-30 mgs a day, taken morning and lunch. 15 mg in am 15 for lunch..that will keep a pretty consistant level in your blood stream. The gains you make on d-bol should stay with you after you go off of it, because you will be well into your test cycle. I plan on running a similar cycle..except with deca at the end.

good luck, eat an assload of protein, train like a freak.

oh, grab a hold of some milk thistle or something just for safetly for your liver. you probably wont need it, depending on your dose.

 

[lifthard2005]

1st cycle should run 1g fof test e for 10 weeks with an AI. No need for dbol or EQ right now, you will gain 30+lbs with 1g oftest bro. this is your bestchance to grow, your 1st cycle. i put a freiend on 750mg/wk for 10 wks og test e and he gained 30lbs dude...

 

[jimmy04]

im about to run cyp 10 weeks 500mg and prop 50mg eod for 1st 4 weeks to kick strt it
if i wer u id concider somthing like this

 

[wags8]

1st cycle should run 1g fof test e for 10 weeks with an AI. No need for dbol or EQ right now, you will gain 30+lbs with 1g oftest bro. this is your bestchance to grow, your 1st cycle. i put a freiend on 750mg/wk for 10 wks og test e and he gained 30lbs dude...

Another Ulter clone. But I wish I would have done the exact same thing.

 

[jimmy04]

wags8 "Another Ulter clone. But I wish I would have done the exact same thing". me 2

 

[jitc476]

Another Ulter clone. But I wish I would have done the exact same thing.

lol no doubt. ulter said you could actually run 1000mgs of test, yes, as in 1 gram of test, for your first cycle. havent seen anyone try it..but sounds like fun.

 

[littleb]

1st cycle should run 1g fof test e for 10 weeks with an AI. No need for dbol or EQ right now, you will gain 30+lbs with 1g oftest bro. this is your bestchance to grow, your 1st cycle. i put a freiend on 750mg/wk for 10 wks og test e and he gained 30lbs dude...

You are telling someone to run 1000mg test a week first cycle???????? wow i have been off a while, board and gear but cmon now thats just plain stupid. now to the origional poster, try the dbol test, I wish i could but dbol even in low doses bloats me no matter what i take with it. so i like test -eq- but if you can handle the dbol great cycle.. I will recomend starting at low doses on the dbol first, and really keep an eye on sodium intake/diet.... moniter b/p if it starts getting high drop the dbol.. and do not run test any higher then 500mg a week first cycle some may say 750mg is ok but i willl argue all day against it.. no need.. good luck

 

[genman]

Hey Guys,

Im still debating if I should use dianabol as a 4 week kick start for my first cycle ever with test or just add the eq in for 10 weeks along with test enth(500 mg) at a dosage of around 200-300mg .. Does any one have any experience running equipose with test...would the side affects be less (liver,acne, hair loss, higher/lower bd)as compared to using the dianabol and test? I'm worried about my hair and liver and i know dbol can be one of the hardest on those two.

my goal is to try and get 20 pounds out of my first cycle and I'm not sure if that is possible with test alone and also get with the least amount of side-effects and the most quality muscle possible without so much bloat( I'll be running arimidex at .25mg a day though and maybe nolvadex at 10mg)

any thoughts?

Thanks!!!

Call me "old school", but 1 g test for first cycle is extreme. test e 500mg/ew with AI X 10 weeks, then pct. See what sides you do or don't have on test only and use that as a barometer for future cycles.

 

[Bam Bam]

Im old school also, I would save d-bol for about 3rd or 4th cycle. I would run test at about 500 wk for 1st cycle. Bam

 

[palehorse51]

Im old school also, I would save d-bol for about 3rd or 4th cycle. I would run test at about 500 wk for 1st cycle. Bam

If you were "old school" you would be popping hand fulls of Dbol throughout the day as your first "cycle".

 

[genman]

If you were "old school" you would be popping hand fulls of Dbol throughout the day as your first "cycle".

LOL, You're right about that.

 

[PuraVida]

You can easily get 20lbs wtih an EQ/test cycle. The test/eq gains will be allot more solid and less watery than the dbol/test. You might gain faster on the dbol but you will have more quality at the end of your cycle with test/eq.

Run the test at 500 for 10 weeks then run the eq at 600 for atleast 16. Or if you got the funds do what I am doing.

Iam currently on a 500test/600eq for 20 weeks. Iam starting week 5 now and the juice is just starting to kick in. I might actually stop it at week 15. The 1st 5 weeks have been pretty good so far and now Iam just getting ready for the fun to begin. At week 15 Iam going to go week by week.

 

[chilledandy]

If your worried about hair loss then don't use the d-bol. Its harsh on your hairline and always causes me to shed.
Its pretty difficult to compare EQ to Dbol so your question is pretty hard to answer as they are totally different.
The gains from EQ are slower and not as pronounced, but they are real gains and not water retention. If I was you I would run the EQ and Test and dump the d-bol, especially given your concerns over the hairloss. Just have a little patience and you will see great gains that are solid and result in lasting muscle mass.

 

[solidspine]

Don't used d-bol on your first cycle,

Think!

 

[Pump2356]

ahhhh im getting different opinions, i don't know what to do!! but thanks for all the input though!

if it makes any difference, below was my original plan below that i posted a while back. if i add in the eq and get rid of the dbol would i really need to add 400-600mg of eq or can i get by with 300? cause according the the anabolics 2006 book they gave a sample beginner stack of only test at 250mg and eq at 250mg a week....my goal is to get over 200 pounds(hopefully with a good amount that is muscle within 3 cycles with the least amount of side effects and damage to my body .

My reasons for doing this is to pursue a sport/entertainment profession that i am currently too thin for

below is the original plan I was going with and background info on me:


Some background info on myself:
23 year old male. I have been lifting for 4 years (with the most time off would be a week a year) and train 3 times a week with a trainer at the best gym or second best gym in the nation according to muscle and fitness magazine I started at a weight of about 105 and am at 161-165 at a height of 5'5. My body fat is about 16.5 though I haven't measured in a while. This will be my first cycle and am looking to put on about 20 pounds that I can keep after the cycle is over with if possible.

The cycle:
weeks 1-4 25 mg of Dianabol everyday

weeks 1-12.5 arimidex at either .25 or .5 mg?

weeks1-10 500 mg of test. Enanthate, 250mg shot on mon and another 250mg shot on thursday each week doing this (during the end of my 9th week I begin HCG everyother day after my last 250mg shot of test enth.on the 9th week for 500ius every other day and continue with the arimidex at either .25 or .5mg and maybe add in nolvadex at 10mg since the hcg can add in more estrogen problems

weeks11 HCG every other day at 500ius and arimidex, maybe add in nolvadex?
week 12 wait 3 days from my last HCG injection then begin PCT of nolvadex at 40mg every day
week 13 40 mg nolvadex everyday
week14 30mg of nolvadex everyday
week 15 30 mg of nolvadex everyday
week 16 20 mg of nolvadex everyday
week 17 20 mg of nolvadex everyday

 

[Pump2356]

anymore comments?

thanks!

 

[camshaft]

my first cycle was test e 500mg/wk and dbol weeks 1-4 25mg/day. it was awesome, solid gains and literally no sides. thats right my first cycle i had no sides, except for a few nosebleeds if u count that.

 

[marvelous54]

the test is a must. the d-bol is your decision, personally i would run it for the kickstart. the EQ is going to be wasted if you're just going to run it for 10 wks. If you want to stretch it to 15 then you can use it.

the main thing to remember is all of this "shit" you're reading is just a collection of various opinions developed from various philosophies. decide what you think makes the most sense to you and go with it.

 

[Hurricane55]

1st cycle should run 1g fof test e for 10 weeks with an AI. No need for dbol or EQ right now, you will gain 30+lbs with 1g oftest bro. this is your bestchance to grow, your 1st cycle. i put a freiend on 750mg/wk for 10 wks og test e and he gained 30lbs dude...

That seems like a bit much to me but if you and Ulter both say it I won't argue. Pump, my first cycle was test e and eq with a dbol kickstart. Worked wonders for me and I would definitely recomend it. If you're going to have a gram of steroids in you anyway, why not mix it up

 

[chilledandy]

1st cycle should run 1g fof test e for 10 weeks with an AI. No need for dbol or EQ right now, you will gain 30+lbs with 1g oftest bro. this is your bestchance to grow, your 1st cycle. i put a freiend on 750mg/wk for 10 wks og test e and he gained 30lbs dude...

Massive overkill. 1g is not necessary under any circumstance let alone first cycle. You dont need anything more than 300mg for your first cycle and with it you will gain around 20lbs in 10 weeks. Taking 1g will see you gain only slightly more but you will definately see sides and the additional gain will most likely be nothing more than water weight which you will subsequently lose.
Play it safe and sensibly and gain gradually and you will see a dramatic and postive change in your body composition without the risk of side effects.

 

[solidspine]

EQ and test for a first cycle don't use d-bol on your first cycle.