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end of first cycle, VERY dissapointed.

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justwannagetbig

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stats before i was on the sust:
180 lbs ,5'11"
benchpress-315x3
squat-225x3
deadlift-400x3

kept my diet clean ALWAYS, low on sugars, high on complex carbs,high on protein(around 300 grams daily), and generally high on calories, kept the junky food away till about 2 weeks ago when i realized im not gainin shit.

stats after i was done:
192 lbs(mostly on my fuckin belly), 5'11"
benchpress-335x3
squat-240x3
deadlift-410x3

within a 8 week span i could of made these gains off the sust,i felt bloated all the damn time, my abs left me within the first 2 weeks of gaining, i cant go to sleep most of the time, my genetals shrunk a little.most of my strength gains came in the first 2 weeks of me using Nile sust which i thought was fake but it actually turned out to work better than loeffler.the loeffler sust was just a waste of time in my opinion.maybe it WAS fake, but im feeling ALL the side effects of the sust, except the hairloss.these gains arnt enough to take nolvadex or some other PCT.
heres what i took in

week 1-2
Nile Co, sustanon 250mg's E6D
week 3-5
loeffler sustanon, 500 mg's every week
week 6-8
loeffler sustanon,250 mg's E6D

ALOT of people say i got bigger, yet most of them dont know that the weight i gained was just excess bloat and fat.for the next month im gonna be eating clean, staying off the needles, and will drop all this excess weight im carrying cuzz its pissin me off.
 
Sounds like you either 1) got bunk gear or 2) didn't have your diet & training where it needed to be. Since you did gain, it pretty much rules out bunk gear. You may think your diet & training is on target but, have you let anyone else look at it either here or a knowledgeable trainer? Often times we ovrlook things that others are more likely to critique. Even pro's who have been dieting & training for year get advice, opinions & suggestions. If there is absolutely one non-disputable fact about gear, it's that it works, period. So if it wasn't fake then something else wasn't right, not the gear.
 
maybe the loeffler was fake, because those gains aren't impossible in 8 weeks training naturally imo.

the bloat could have been a result of extra calories, even if it is from good food. one could easily gain 12 lbs in 8 weeks without gear.
 
im starting to think the gear is bunk, i mean maybe the side effects were just dragged on from my first 2 weeks of using the real stuff.i know gear is SUPPOSED to work, and it WAS, my strength gains came from mainly those first 2 weeks.i have a little left in the loeffler bottle(almost a cc), anyway i can check right now if its real or fake?

bro im gonna say this over and over again, my diet was right on the money,heres what a typical day looked like:

breakfast-Oats 80 grams
whey shake mixed in water and half a teaspoon of flax.
apple

breakfast/lunch-2 cans tuna mixed in low fat miracle whip
few slices of whole wheat bread
orange

lunch-CHICKEN AND RICE
more CHICKEN AND RICE(boneless skinless breasts cooked in the george foreman spinning cookomatic thingy)

LIFTLIFTLIFTLIFTLIFTLIFTLIFTLIFT(intense as hell,all out bust ass workouts,45mins-1 hour,4 or 5 times a week)

post workout-
N-Large weight gain mixed with 10grams creatine and half a teaspoon of flax

Dinner-barbecued chicken( or some sort of chicken dinner plates i would put together myself)
vegetables

bedtime-either a whey shake, or another can of tuna,
PEANUT BUTTER
 
IMO-
from the list you provided-
not enough carbs.
Also, 250 mgs in the first weeks isn't enough. try frontloading. I hate that you're frustrated. remember, it's all trial & error.
good luck
oeace
 
Well that diet doesn't look terrible but, I see a few things that I have been told I did wrong in the past. Mostly with your post workout & breakfast shakes. You should replace that morning shake with some eggs, you need something that digests easily for quick nutrients, it's been hrs since your last meal (bedtime) Flax oil slows down the absorption of protein which is the reason that you should not mix it with your post workout shake, you need to get that protein in your system immediately.

Also, that doesn't look like near enough food to make good gains. What are your stats? & daily protein/carb/fat/calories? I'm sure others can give you much better advice on adjusting your diet and that information will help them. I am by no means a guru, hell I've got someone working with me on my next cycle & diet adjustment.

Hopefully you didn't just simply get screwed w/some bunk gear, good luck.
 
Bro, the formla for weight gain is not etched in a stone book,t hats why EVERYONE is diferent. You may have been following a routine you read somewhere-potentially big mistake. Bro you need to do so serious examination and timing of your diet(assuming a good source)and look closely at your program. Most frequently in my experience and observation is overtraining and not ENOUGH calories to grow. A 10k diet IS NOT a myth in pro BB. Well got a customer. pm if you want because im very curious. Looks to me you have a sound program, but lets find the flaws-peace
 
I don't know bro, for an 8 week sust only cycle with the low dose you were taking, I'd say those gains are about par for the coarse.
IMO, e6d injections of sust doesn't take full advantage of it. Sust is best at eod or at least monday,wednesday,friday.
 
question

you mix tuna with miracle whip? I've never heard of that, does it taste really good? what else do you throw in there?
 
nuh mizer is right. You need to have a good understanding of esters. At your doses, your test levels were fluctuating like crazy.
 
I never had much success with lower doses of sust. But I always had good results from lower doses of stuff like d-bol and primo. Sust works great for me at 4 shots or more per week, otherwise it was kinds of a waste of time.
Normally you don't get strength gains from sus in the first couple weeks at all unless you are doing almost a shot a day, I would think those gains were mental more then anything.
Also I always found I gained better on beef, not chicken, but maybe that's just me.
 
bro, first cycle I did was 150mg/wk of test & 150mg/wk of Deca for 10 wks, gear was US pharm grade and 100% legit. Training and diet was about like yours and I put on 20lbs of quality muscle and gained nearly 0 fat. My opinion is bunk gear. just my .02 bro
 
what the hell ? u gained 12lbs in 8 wks. that is good even if it is your first cycle. your doses were low. also your strength did go up. not everyone gets the same results so those saying your gear is bunk cause they gained so so and you didnt, well everyone gains different. i wouldnt complain if i were. i mean this shit is not magic. BTW from the looks of your diet it doesnt really have a ton of calories in it
 
if i can gain 12lbs in 8 weeks naturally i am never doing another cycle
 
I dont think 250mg/week (6 days, whatever) is enough to do much. So youre week 1-2, and 6-8 were probably pretty much worthless.
 
Everyone, the fact remains that he got fatter on the cycle... and some of you want him to up his carbs? WTF? Looking at that diet, he should have gotten leaner. He's at around 2000 kCal/day. Something is amiss here... low cals, intense weightlifting, gain weight, get fatter? This is impossible unless he was injecting glucocorticoids instead of anabolic steroids.
 
Well perhaps more carbohydrates, just more placed post workout drink + meal, and more protien at all other times and with post workout + meal... and some more healthy fats in there. That should help greatly, but even like 2000 cals and weighing in 180-high 190 range 2000 cals for a bodybuilder is quite small.. and I think that's probably the reason he didn't gain as much as hoped, and the fat gain due to hormonal/enzymal responses during incorrect times for quantities of food...

but just my thoughts.
 
no no nooooooo, you dont understand,

the only meals i kept under control were my post workout shakes.other than that i watched my carb intakes and my fat intake/protein intake were almost outta control.i generally WOULD put in cheat meals such as peanut butter and jelly sandwiches or somethin high in calories if i was coming short, but i would try and aim for 3k cals every day.

cannot remember the batch # on nile sust.

as for the 500 mgs a week of nile sust, i didnt shoot it up only once a week.i shot the 500 mgs into 2 diff days a week (wednesdays and sat mornings)
 
The couple of vials of Loeffler Sust that I did worked pretty damn good for me. Didn't see much of a difference between these and QV's Enan. Not saying that there quality control standards are up to par though. Who knows maybe some are good and some are crap. Luck of the dice maybe?
 
GodOfThunder said:
Why didn't you start off with the 500mg/week instead of building up to it?
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Agreed. Sust should be front loaded. Dont know about Loefler sust but if you ran the nile sust consistantly at 500mg/week for 10wks, you wouldn't be disappointed. I hate to hear your gains were minimal. We live and learn. Better to start off low and next time you'll know your body needs more.
 
Re: question

tonybuddy said:
you mix tuna with miracle whip? I've never heard of that, does it taste really good? what else do you throw in there?
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I do. heck yeah! You want to kick the flavor up a r notch add some dates
 
BigB_79 said:


Dont know about Loefler sust but if you ran the nile sust consistantly at 500mg/week for 10wks, you wouldn't be disappointed. I hate to hear your gains were minimal. We live and learn. Better to start off low and next time you'll know your body needs more.
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Agreed, start low and watch for sides, back off the proviron have nolva on hand just in case, and dont use loeffler ...

To me these are the things you should have learned by this.
 
Thoughts:

1- Maybe it was the gear, but,
2- I have known many bros who just don't have the genetics to gain a lot of muscle. When they use gear they just hold water & fat.

What are your stats? How much muscle mass have you gained since you started training? How long has it been?
 
Can you please explain why your 3-rep max bench is almost a hundred pounds more than your 3-rep squat? This makes no sense to me
 
sh4dowf4lcon said:


Agreed, start low and watch for sides, back off the proviron have nolva on hand just in case, and dont use loeffler ...

To me these are the things you should have learned by this.
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why back off on the proviron? just curious
 
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