Drug free bodybuilding my AAS!!!

[the_alcatraz]

No one is debatng this. We are saying or atleast I am that you can be natural and make gains like this early on in ife without AAS. This thrad is a little hypocritical as I have said before.

It takes one thread like this to undo all the other threads of train natty and you cn get big/huge with your raging tst levels. tsk tsk tsk this thread was even started

Well, I've made some nice gains as natty before i even considered roids. I've only had 5 cycles in my entire life, which is very little when compared to a bodybuilder's life.

I'm not saying you can't make gains natty. I'm just sayin you can only get so far....and yes, very few people can get VERY far natty. Obviously Tat is one of em

 

[velvett]

Just cuz you didn't do it? I know someone who weighs about 285, who got to 240 before he ever touched steroids. He's 6 ft tall and a natural ecto. Started out training around 18-19 I think at around 140 lbs.

but, yeah, you're right. No one can do that with diet and training alone. Must be steroids.

I love it.

You guys are acting like jealous little girls, like woman saying another woman's breasts are fake because they're too high, too firm, too perfect.

It is possible but not for many, it does take genetics, hard work, perfect diet and consistency.

And this video is almost 10 years old.

 

[Tatyana]

And how many people are like that in this world? 100?

I could get to 250 without steroids....but I'd be a barrel of shit! To be HUGE, vascular, shredded without steroids is an impossibility I'd say.

As I have heard before, and confirmed by a few really awesome power/strength coaches:

About 20 % of men and around 10% of women will be able to put on a fairly significant amount of muscle without the use of AAS.

If you are talking freaky genetics, then it is less than 5%.

The issue is, are all of those 10-20 % of people interested in weight-training and BBing?

Probably not.

So you see even fewer of them.

Hey, I didn't realise that it was all that difficult to put on muscle, cause I have always been quite muscular.

Recently, one of my godparents gave me pictures when I was 4 and you could see the various insertions on my shoulders and tris.

And I used to just HATE it being so 'big' but I also could never bring myself to do any girlie diets to try and get all skinny.

It was just the whole thing about coming to accept my body as it is.

 

[the_alcatraz]

You can def build a great physique without AAS. Those guys are on steroids for the most part though. I personally think that what a lot of "natural" athletes are claiming to do is complete garbage. It was my experience as a competitor as well - not just using drugs can help edge out the competition, but the type and quantity of drugs can also be a large factor. It depends on what weight class you compete in and the level you are at, but plain and simple, some are completely inaccessible without drug-use.

The last natty comp I went to there were 6 competitors in one weight class which was at the heaviest middleweight (there only was one - it was some musclemania modeling contest or some shit). 4 guys looked good, 2 looked like shit. I knew one of the judges and afterwards was told 4 guys were red-flagged for steroids, 3 were tested, and 3 were disqualified. It is anecdotal evidence but it was what I was thinking before I heard those guys were on steroids: How the hell did those guys look that full without any drugs????

Man, if you look closesly, you can see some of those dudes in that video have face bloat. I doubt every kid in that video is on steroids since some looked very good but more practical - others just looked incredibly full and vascular. It all comes down to your standards - if you think "great" can be achieved at 6' and under 190lbs, then you probably won't need steroids to do it. What sucks is that there is no denying the fact that on any stage, at any weight class, with everything else being the same between two competitors, the guy on steroids will look better in a BBing competition (key point being everything else about them - size, symmetry, cuts, etc. - is the same before steroids are thrown into the mix). The added hormones inarguably let you hold on to more muscle mass as you get leaner. Try it with steroids, then try it without and you'll see. If one guy is on steroids and is of the same caliber as the other guys are in terms of being a competitor, he will probably win.

I would like to see a single picture of just one guy that looked like one of these guys in the 1920s (before sports enhancers were invented). There's a reason the BBer look is so new and only came about in the last 40 years or whatever is my opinion.

Very good points. Some of these guys looks too "bloated" and vascular for them to be natural.

 

[Bikini Mod]

2 things:

1. WTF is up with that pussy hair?

and

2. How stupid do these guys think the rest of the planet is? Oh wait a minute. They sounded like the stereotypical juicehead = which sadly = DUMB. They couldn't find a guy with HALF a brain? SHEESH.... makes all of us look bad.

 

[stosstruppe]

WTF is up with that pussy hair?

Lol was thinking that aswell. Wanted to break out the Remington on that 'do.

Meh, natty BBing, it's like all those high level athletes that swear blind that they don't use steroids or EPO / blood doping either, only to eventually be caught 9/10.

 

[dabuffguy]

could. Maybe they have good genetics and more importantly, really got their diet and training dialed in. Maybe worked with trainers who knew wtf they were doing. It's possible.

CEO does have a point. I remember back in middle school there was kid in my grade that was 5'11" and 185 and solid and strong as a rock, and lean too. he was only 14 years old. I saw him do 205 9 times on bench. For a 14 year old, that is beyond impressive. I know he wasn't juicing because I have known him since 3rd grade and he was always big and strong like that.

I also have friends I still hang out with, one did 345 bench his senior year, and wasn't on juice. Just a big thick strong mofo. There are people like this around.

 

[the_alcatraz]

2 things:

1. WTF is up with that pussy hair?

and

2. How stupid do these guys think the rest of the planet is? Oh wait a minute. They sounded like the stereotypical juicehead = which sadly = DUMB. They couldn't find a guy with HALF a brain? SHEESH.... makes all of us look bad.

LOL @ pussy hair...

 

[Bikini Mod]

LOL @ pussy hair...

Seriously... WTF was up with that? If that was my son I would say, "Son, it's ok to be gay. But it is NOT ok to have bad hair." ...sorta like matching your shoes to your handbags, but I hear that is dated anymore.

 

[the_alcatraz]

Seriously... WTF was up with that? If that was my son I would say, "Son, it's ok to be gay. But it is NOT ok to have bad hair." ...sorta like matching your shoes to your handbags, but I hear that is dated anymore.

hehe...yeh I dunno wats up with that hair...fashion statement?