Dosing,... against the rules(I broke them!)

[Nelson Montana]

Sounds to me like you've done it right. I never did a cycle over 750 mgs a week or over 6 weeks in length and have held on to more muscle than guys who've used four times the dosage for months on end for years.

(As an aside, 750 was my biggest cycle. I blew up and then deflated. What's the point? I made better gains with lower dosages and kept them and had no sides. )

The only thing I'd disagree with is the use of orals ONLY because of the liver toxiciy but I've always said that orals are more potent that injectable mg for mg. If someone wants to do an all Dianabol - methandrostenolone - cycle he's bashed but the same people recommend test for a first timer. Shit, back in the 60's and 70's Dianabol - methandrostenolone - was the ONLY thing some guys took -- for bulking, for cutting, pre-contest off season, you name it. They looked fucking awesome. No clomid. No problems.

 

[hard2handle]

OH, and thanks for all the smart ass comments, I'm sure the newbs will feel good about posting now.

 

[st8grad]

OH, and thanks for all the smart ass comments, I'm sure the newbs will feel good about posting now.

Might need to work on a confidence issue.

 

[goaler]

Might need to work on a confidence issue.

Agreed, but what was so hard about giving out that information. Great stuff there, no flaming necessary and I commend you for your activities and sports outside the gym.

What are your stats? Size, age?

 

[Guvna]

Sounds to me like you've done it right. I never did a cycle over 750 mgs a week or over 6 weeks in length and have held on to more muscle than guys who've used four times the dosage for months on end for years.

You've used Deca, right? How do you incorporate such a long estered drug into a short cycle?

The only thing I'd disagree with is the use of orals ONLY because of the liver toxiciy .

I would think that cholesterol, along with the length of time that it takes for cholesterol to recover, would be more important than liver toxicity? I think liver toxicity is overrated compared to what methyl drugs do to cholesterol. Thoughts?

 

[Nelson Montana]

You've used Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - , right? How do you incorporate such a long estered drug into a short cycle?






I would think that cholesterol, along with the length of time that it takes for cholesterol to recover, would be more important than liver toxicity? I think liver toxicity is overrated compared to what methyl drugs do to cholesterol. Thoughts?

Yeah, I used Deca long before I knew better. Although it's longer acting and may be present (and detectable)to a degree for months, the effects dwindle after a couple of weeks. The metabolites are there but not to an discernable level.

Cholesterol is determined by ones genetic make up. Some people's skyrocket with orals, others not so much. Concern with liver toxicity can not be overrated IMO. It can cause irreperable damage.

 

[Guvna]

Yeah, I used Deca-Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - long before I knew better. Although it's longer acting and may be present (and detectable)to a degree for months, the effects dwindle after a couple of weeks. The metabolites are there but not to an discernable level.

Cholesterol is determined by ones genetic make up. Some people's skyrocket with orals, others not so much. Concern with liver toxicity can not be overrated IMO. It can cause irreperable damage.

How would you recommend running Deca?

 

[ghettostudmuffin]

I'm no expert, but I'd be willing to bet that a 6 pack or more of beer a night is worse on your liver than 20mg d-bol a day.

Could be wrong.

 

[crazyjoe]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuusbjzfJMA

LMAO! Good Humor bro.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I'm no expert, but I'd be willing to bet that a 6 pack or more of beer a night is worse on your liver than 20mg Dianabol - methandrostenolone - a day.

Could be wrong.

A six pack a night is insane bro.

The would not recommedn running Deca, but if you must, at a low dose with a little test and winny.