Does Good Come From God?

[musclemom]

Just sayin that religion has been a means of organizing the primitive cultures in which they originated and even polytheistic cultures had "rules" set forth by the priests and priestesses....they also ensured their status in society; Show me a major religious figure in the United States that lives a modest lifestyle. The priestly class has always been a major political force through their "divine revelations" about how society should be organized by the other politicians. God doesn't have a weekly broadcast about what he demands but there are plenty of people willing to be the spokes model for whatever god someone may worship. The politician and the priest are pretty much interchangeable in society, except in the United States we hold our politicians somewhat accountable.

Do me a favor, would you. PLEASE stop trying to turn polytheistically based spirituality, particularly when you're moving into tribal territory where you have spiritual intermediaries like shamans, into RELIGION.

You don't know shit about shamanism (because you can read books until words spill out of your ears, but shamanism can only be understood experientially, period) or the spirit world, or the spiritual relationship that exists between the natural world and nature spirits and humanity. Trying to draw parallels between, say, Roman Catholics and any tribal spiritual beliefs is like trying to compare apples and a steak. The only thing they have in common is they are both nourishment, THAT'S IT.

The only thing "non organized spiritual practices" (for lack of a better catch all term) and mainstream religion is that they both hold reverence for something that is experienced outside what can be perceived by the five senses, THAT'S IT.

You're an atheist, glad you found a way to categorize you life experience. But just because you've never had any experience that has given you ANY sense that there is more to the world that just what you can see/feel/hear/taste/smell doesn't mean the world is that flat and 3-dimensional for everyone.

Frankly, Java, you proselytize worse than any Born Again Christian I've ever met. You're just as confident you're right as they are, but the truth is when you strip things down to brass tacks you're operating on just as much faith as they are, so give it a break.

 

[miplank]

MM bringing some whoop ass to the thread.

 

[puddlemonkey]

is Cindy gonna come remove Java's remains or do we need to call pest control?

 

[musclemom]

MM bringing some whoop ass to the thread.

No, I'm not arguing or debating. I'm just sick to shit of Java's freaking supercilious attitude. Lack of evidence that something exists is NOT proof that it doesn't exist and that's the entire basis of ALL atheistic arguments. The fact is, THEY have just as much faith as a Christian, they choose to be blind or to see evidence where ever they want. One or the other, no different.

And mashing spirituality and organized religion into the same pot and claiming they all serve the same purpose, seek to achieve the same goals and were born out of the same desires and needs is just plain ignorance.

Not all spiritual movements and their leaders are good, but neither are all mainstream religions and their leadership bad.

 

[PICK3]

Do me a favor, would you. PLEASE stop trying to turn polytheistically based spirituality, particularly when you're moving into tribal territory where you have spiritual intermediaries like shamans, into RELIGION.

You don't know shit about shamanism (because you can read books until words spill out of your ears, but shamanism can only be understood experientially, period) or the spirit world, or the spiritual relationship that exists between the natural world and nature spirits and humanity. Trying to draw parallels between, say, Roman Catholics and any tribal spiritual beliefs is like trying to compare apples and a steak. The only thing they have in common is they are both nourishment, THAT'S IT.

The only thing "non organized spiritual practices" (for lack of a better catch all term) and mainstream religion is that they both hold reverence for something that is experienced outside what can be perceived by the five senses, THAT'S IT.

You're an atheist, glad you found a way to categorize you life experience. But just because you've never had any experience that has given you ANY sense that there is more to the world that just what you can see/feel/hear/taste/smell doesn't mean the world is that flat and 3-dimensional for everyone.

Frankly, Java, you proselytize worse than any Born Again Christian I've ever met. You're just as confident you're right as they are, but the truth is when you strip things down to brass tacks you're operating on just as much faith as they are, so give it a break.

well said








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[ortiz34]

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[miplank]

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[ortiz34]

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