Anywho, leemachine, considereing I had only been training for 3 years when I took that pic, and had alread benched 455 and squated 505 (deep and for reps), I don't think I was doing too bad, especially considering the fact that I was 35% body fat 3 years before the pic... and had already placed 3rd as a middle weight at an NPC show after being a fat as 2 years prior to stepping on stage. I challenge you to beat my improvements by the time you hit your 3 year mark. If you can do so I'll admit to everyone on the board that you just owned me. If you can't, then shut the fuck up.
I do not know where you get your info about who is using Tren and a "placebo effect" . Tren has been around for a very long time and it is very effective. Strength gains are great and it does create muscle hardness with moderate size gains that are kept. It is cheap and very effective. Ever hear of Parabolin??? Dumbass!!!!
Tren works!!!! always has and always will. If some dumbass, inexperienced moron got on here and said dbol did not work, sooner or later it's effectiveness would be debated as well, I suppose.
Im going on day 9 at 75mg/ed and a little surprised, no night sweats, no insomnia, and really havent felt that much of a strength increase thus far. I threw the fina in for the last 6 weeks of my cycle, hopefully I feel it tonight on deads.
According to Author Rea (and research), trenbolone has a permanent mangling effect of cortisol receptors. This can lead to a permanent change in body composition. I believe it to be true. I have noticed a marked physical difference since using tren.