does ephedra lower blood sugar the way caffiene does?

[poantrex]

Proof, is where. I've seen a TON of studies showing caffeine induces insulin resistance, and there is no rebound within 30 or 45 minutes. That is ridiculous because of caffeine's half life

1. Caffeine increases FFA breakdown through an increase in c-Amp levels(Cyclic Adenosine Monophosphate)

2. It basically spares muscle glycogen in favor of an increase in FFA breakdown.

3. Caffeine IMO only raises blood sugar only when you have liver glycogen. Your liver basically dumps its glycogen(Glucose + potassium + water) into your bloodstream. This increases blood glucose levels.

4. Caffeine can cause REBOUND hypoglycaemia. But this largely depends on your insulin sensitivity. I never have, (I did use a BG monitor) but I have seen people who do.

And there is a difference between the caffeine in Coffee (No ergogenic effect seen) and that of Caffeine anhydrous tablets (Ergogenic effect definately seen). So if you want an added boost for your workouts/training, coffee won't cut it. You need caffeine tablets.

 

[poantrex]

thanks fonz. thats exactly what was happening to me. im doing ckd and when i add coffee i feel as if im going to faint. ill save the coffee/caffiene for bulking i guess

Heh, did you ever go to pubmed.com like I told you? You take fonz' word like gospel.

 

[poantrex]

True, Gh does cause HYPERglycemia, NOT HYPO. I should know because I take the stuff. But anyways! Ok! WTF! WTF! WTF!!!!! I'm fuckng confused now for real! I thought caffeine was to speed you up! Wake you up and give you energy? But instead it makes you sleepy? Like Clen? So what about a ECA or ECY stack?

It does speed you up. But don't you realize that blood glucose doesn't always correspond with your perceived energy level? Epehdrine, clenbuterol and pretty much all sympathomimietics increase insulin resistance and *raise* blood glucose. There are SO MANY studies documenting this, but fuck. If you want to hang on fonz' dick and take his word as gospel, so be it.

 

[Ulcasterdropout]

thanks fonz. thats exactly what was happening to me. im doing ckd and when i add coffee i feel as if im going to faint.

Same thing has happened to me. I can get light headed while downing stupid amounts of coffee while on low carbs...

 

[georgie24]

ive known fonzy (through the net) for 4 years now. whats pubmed gonna tell me? up the carbs?

 

[Smokescreen]

I'm fucking confused here as hell! So bottom line, when I'm on a low carb diet, I shouldn't take a EC, ECA, ECY or ECAY stack? Then what do I take to give me a boost to go the gym at 5am everyday then? I have noticed that when I take my usual ECY stack, that lately I haven't been able to go as heavy as I used to in the gym. I'm up and awake! But not very strong anymore. And when I get out of the gym, which is usually in 1 hour, I have to stay in my car for like 20 minutes taking a nap! I get so damn sleepy! So what? Only take thermos like Clen, Ephedrine, Caffeine, yohimbine etc etc while consuming lots of carbs???? Preferably on a bulking cycle? Avoid taking these drugs while on a low carb diet??? This shit doesn't make any sense at all!

 

[poantrex]

I'm fucking confused here as hell! So bottom line, when I'm on a low carb diet, I shouldn't take a EC, ECA, ECY or ECAY stack? Then what do I take to give me a boost to go the gym at 5am everyday then? I have noticed that when I take my usual ECY stack, that lately I haven't been able to go as heavy as I used to in the gym. I'm up and awake! But not very strong anymore. And when I get out of the gym, which is usually in 1 hour, I have to stay in my car for like 20 minutes taking a nap! I get so damn sleepy! So what? Only take thermos like Clen, Ephedrine, Caffeine, yohimbine etc etc while consuming lots of carbs???? Preferably on a bulking cycle? Avoid taking these drugs while on a low carb diet??? This shit doesn't make any sense at all!

You can take ephedrine on whatever diet you want, because it increases the levels of several adrenal hormones that are integral to lipolysis - despite increasing insulin resistance. Ephedrine IR is usually short term unless you really, really abuse it for long periods of time...my opinion is that thermos should be cycled just like gear - and not used year round.

 

[Smokescreen]

So use thermos like a cycle of gear. That way it do it it's true duty? Not abuse it for long time otherwise, it won't do what it's supposed to? It will actually work in reverse? Is this what your saying?

 

[poantrex]

So use thermos like a cycle of gear. That way it do it it's true duty? Not abuse it for long time otherwise, it won't do what it's supposed to? It will actually work in reverse? Is this what your saying?

Nah, just not good for your health. It will cause noradrenaline and dopamine receptor downgrade in the brain, which leads to a constant sluggish feeling always after ceasing use... which for people with addictive personalities means....up the dose and continue using it.

But if you're trying to lose weight there's no real danger as long as you're not using it too long - despite the IR.

 

[poantrex]

ive known fonzy (through the net) for 4 years now. whats pubmed gonna tell me? up the carbs?

pubmed is a database of gov't funded and peer reviewed studies. Quite the useful tool when you're looking for truth and not heresay.