does ephedra lower blood sugar the way caffiene does?

[poantrex]

Guys.

STOP SAYING CAFFEINE CAUSES HYPOGLYCEMIA - BECAUSE IT DOES THE OPPOSITE.

I already TOLD YOU what to do - go to www.pubmed.com, search for "caffeine insulin resistance". There are MANY studies showing that caffeine causes short term insulin resistance, which boosts blood glucose levels, which is *hyper* glycemia, not the opposite.

K THANKS

 

[posthuman]

Guys.

STOP SAYING CAFFEINE CAUSES HYPOGLYCEMIA - BECAUSE IT DOES THE OPPOSITE.

I already TOLD YOU what to do - go to www.pubmed.com, search for "caffeine insulin resistance". There are MANY studies showing that caffeine causes short term insulin resistance, which boosts blood glucose levels, which is *hyper* glycemia, not the opposite.

K THANKS

You are quite simply wrong.

Yes,caffeine may cause insulin resistance.But what happens when you get IR?The body compensates by ramping up insulin secretion!
And it is well known that caffeine increase insulin secretion(may not even be due to the IR)
Ever wonder why some people get hypo on AAS or even GH when these cause IR?!

 

[poantrex]

With caffeine having a half life up to 12 hours, it won't cause immediate hypoglycemia. If i'm not mistaken, this will only happen to insulin dependant diabetics (type 1, uncommon) and not people with normal glucose tolerance, or even those who are insulin resistant.

I've also measured my BG after downing an expresso, and I noticed consistently higher Blood glucose levels for hours afterward. NOT lower. I can't see caffeine causing hypoglycemia, since being hypo can cause unconciousness and death...gimme a break. BUT IF YOU CAN prove otherwise with a peer-reviered study, i'll welcome it.

 

[junk]

All I know is that I've noticed many times lately that if I consume about 200-300 of caffeine after about 35-45 min I start feeling very lathergic, the opposite of what caffeine should be doing in most places I've read. I though it was something to do with my CNS being burned-out but I also consume about 10-13g of L-Tyrosine a day yet still the caffeine doesn't do me good. Last time I consumed it about 45min before workout and was just about to head to the gym and I gave up and headed home from work cause I felt I would get a shitty workout anyway.

 

[poantrex]

So what. Measure your blood glucose - it will be higher than normal, not lower.

Caffeine crashes are normal, and it has everything to do with the balance of adrenal hormones.

 

[poantrex]

You are quite simply wrong.

Yes,caffeine may cause insulin resistance.But what happens when you get IR?The body compensates by ramping up insulin secretion!
And it is well known that caffeine increase insulin secretion(may not even be due to the IR)
Ever wonder why some people get hypo on AAS or even GH when these cause IR?!

Do you understand insulin resistance fully? Yes, Insulin production is increased while IR. The pitutary constantly "polls" the bloodstream to see what the blood glucose level is, and when it hits a certain level it will produce insulin to distribute the glucose for other bodily functions. Problem is when IR, cells are resistant to insulin-mediated glucose uptake, you have a feedback loop that results in prolonged hyperglycemia *and* hyperinsulinia. The insulin cannot do anything with the glucose that is present because your cells intake of BG is inhibited.

What the fuck are you talking about AAS and GH causing hypoglycemia? You REALY don't know what you're talking about. I can produce about 20 studies from pubmed showing that GH causes hyperglycemia, even 40ng/dl above normal. AAS also trash insulin sensitivity, as well.

Moral...if you don't know what you're talking about, don't bother replying K THX

 

[Smokescreen]

True, Gh does cause HYPERglycemia, NOT HYPO. I should know because I take the stuff. But anyways! Ok! WTF! WTF! WTF!!!!! I'm fuckng confused now for real! I thought caffeine was to speed you up! Wake you up and give you energy? But instead it makes you sleepy? Like Clen? So what about a ECA or ECY stack?

 

[georgie24]

maco? fonz? come on bro's this is your territory..esp macro

 

[Fonz]

1. Caffeine increases FFA breakdown through an increase in c-Amp levels(Cyclic Adenosine Monophosphate)

2. It basically spares muscle glycogen in favor of an increase in FFA breakdown.

3. Caffeine IMO only raises blood sugar only when you have liver glycogen. Your liver basically dumps its glycogen(Glucose + potassium + water) into your bloodstream. This increases blood glucose levels.

4. Caffeine can cause REBOUND hypoglycaemia. But this largely depends on your insulin sensitivity. I never have, (I did use a BG monitor) but I have seen people who do.

And there is a difference between the caffeine in Coffee (No ergogenic effect seen) and that of Caffeine anhydrous tablets (Ergogenic effect definately seen). So if you want an added boost for your workouts/training, coffee won't cut it. You need caffeine tablets.

 

[georgie24]

thanks fonz. thats exactly what was happening to me. im doing ckd and when i add coffee i feel as if im going to faint. ill save the coffee/caffiene for bulking i guess