does anyone here like creatine?

[the_alcatraz]

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So you're ok if your Doctor says, " I'm going to operate on you, but I'm not
going to follow the dictates of medical research. Those dorks that write
the medical books don't know your body like I do. I'm gonna use a procedure
that worked on a couple guys that i play poker with."

To each his own. I'll stick to medical research.

operating on someone is not a good analogy for taking creatine.

 

[layinback]

operating on someone is not a good analogy for taking creatine.

lol it was in reference to you dismissing medical evidence.

You are a nice guy and i've always liked you, but you have
an impossible time with being wrong. Since you are a
mentor, you have a responsibilty to look for the truth
about aspects of diet, supps, training and aas. If it
contradicts what you currently believe, as a leader you
have to put your ego to the side and concede. "I don't
believe what some dork in a book says" is actually you
saying, " I'M RIGHT BECAUSE I SAY SO AND I'LL HAVE IT
NO OTHER WAY." i've been in management for as long
as you've been alive. I run a company with 270 people
and have subcontractors in 22 states. I train people
for leadership / management and i address these type
issues early on. C' mon traz..........

 

[the_alcatraz]

lol it was in reference to you dismissing medical evidence.

You are a nice guy and i've always liked you, but you have
an impossible time with being wrong. Since you are a
mentor, you have a responsibilty to look for the truth
about aspects of diet, supps, training and aas. If it
contradicts what you currently believe, as a leader you
have to put your ego to the side and concede. "I don't
believe what some dork in a book says" is actually you
saying, " I'M RIGHT BECAUSE I SAY SO AND I'LL HAVE IT
NO OTHER WAY." i've been in management for as long
as you've been alive. I run a company with 270 people
and have subcontractors in 22 states. I train people
for leadership / management and i address these type
issues early on. C' mon traz..........

well therein lies the problem...i'm not a mentor, i'm a mod lol...i know you meant that figuratively

I sincerely believe creatine right before a workout helps in energy gains and strength increase...and it will help give you a great pump when added to arginine...

I'm sure I could find a lot mroe research supporting that as well...and I will, once I wake up tmrw morning

 

[layinback]

well therein lies the problem...i'm not a mentor, i'm a mod lol...i know you meant that figuratively

I sincerely believe creatine right before a workout helps in energy gains and strength increase...and it will help give you a great pump when added to arginine...

I'm sure I could find a lot mroe research supporting that as well...and I will, once I wake up tmrw morning

fair enough my friend! I'm open for evidence that supports your belief.
through the years i've had to shed a lot of closely held beliefs about
bodybuilding. i've discarded some, amended others and i'm always
listening for something new and beneficial.

 

[Rottman1]

Staying with the topic, I would just like to say that when I first started creatine, which ws when Bill Phillips of EAS(former owner) and MRI owner, came out with the creatine mono powder I was a big user. I prob put on 20 pounds of the stuff just by taking a teaspoon of it putting it in my mouth and drinking out down with water or juice. I got strong and it got me bulky, lots of water retention but I liked the added strength that went with it. Then, the older I got and into my 30's, for some reason I could not handle the mono anymore. All of a sudden I started getting stomach discomfort and dia-craps. I have tried so many creatines, all the popular brands, and still no good. This past year I triend Ancient Strength and I prevailed with no cr*ps. I can't figure that out because there is some mono in it. I just wish there was a way that I could take five or ten grams of mono a day like I used to years ago and not get the sh*ts. Oh well, sometimes i would divide it am and pm and then sometimes pre and post workout. I never really noticed a difference either way..take care..

 

[the_alcatraz]

fair enough my friend! I'm open for evidence that supports your belief.
through the years i've had to shed a lot of closely held beliefs about
bodybuilding. i've discarded some, amended others and i'm always
listening for something new and beneficial.

To my surprise, I was mistaken. You are right bro...it seems most researches show that taking creatine pre-workout doesnt have the biggest effect on your body. Post workout is the way to go.

".... What is the Best Time to Take Creatine?

There has been much discussion on this but I believe taking creatine post workout is the most beneficial time for several reasons.

1. Insulin helps drive more creatine into muscle cells, if you are a smart bodybuilder then in your post workout meal you should be eating foods that help spike your insulin, if this is the case, then taking creatine with this meal will help it's uptake into muscle cells.
2. The body absorbs many nutrients better after a workout.
3. Creatine will help refuel your body's low creatine phosphate stores.

Will Taking Creatine Before a Workout Give Me More Energy?

No, not exactly. Once again for creatine to work your muscle cells must be saturated with it. This takes at least a week to do, so doing it once before a workout will not make a difference. Now if your cells are already saturated with creatine then it will still not make a difference if you take it before you workout. Your body must process it first and that takes time. The creatine your body will use in the upcoming workout will come from the creatine phosphate stores already in the cells, not from the creatine you just ingested...."

Bodybuilding.com - Creatine: Fact And Fiction! - Layne Norton

 

[layinback]

To my surprise, I was mistaken. You are right bro...it seems most researches show that taking creatine pre-workout doesnt have the biggest effect on your body. Post workout is the way to go.

".... What is the Best Time to Take Creatine?

There has been much discussion on this but I believe taking creatine post workout is the most beneficial time for several reasons.

1. Insulin helps drive more creatine into muscle cells, if you are a smart bodybuilder then in your post workout meal you should be eating foods that help spike your insulin, if this is the case, then taking creatine with this meal will help it's uptake into muscle cells.
2. The body absorbs many nutrients better after a workout.
3. Creatine will help refuel your body's low creatine phosphate stores.

Will Taking Creatine Before a Workout Give Me More Energy?

No, not exactly. Once again for creatine to work your muscle cells must be saturated with it. This takes at least a week to do, so doing it once before a workout will not make a difference. Now if your cells are already saturated with creatine then it will still not make a difference if you take it before you workout. Your body must process it first and that takes time. The creatine your body will use in the upcoming workout will come from the creatine phosphate stores already in the cells, not from the creatine you just ingested...."

Bodybuilding.com - Creatine: Fact And Fiction! - Layne Norton

you are a gentleman and a scholar.

I've recently learned that 20 gms whey protein with 40 gms dextrose
pre workout is superior to post workout shake. you actually need to
do both, but you split it. research shows amino acid pools are much
higher in muscle when you consume pre workout. for years i preached
post workout shake. now i mix 3/4 scoop isopure in a 20oz gatorade
and drink 10 minutes pre training.

btw, you'll see noticable mass gain after a month of doin this + it
gives you slightly more endurance / intensity.

 

[the_alcatraz]

you are a gentleman and a scholar.

I've recently learned that 20 gms whey protein with 40 gms dextrose
pre workout is superior to post workout shake. you actually need to
do both, but you split it. research shows amino acid pools are much
higher in muscle when you consume pre workout. for years i preached
post workout shake. now i mix 3/4 scoop isopure in a 20oz gatorade
and drink 10 minutes pre training.

btw, you'll see noticable mass gain after a month of doin this + it
gives you slightly more endurance / intensity.

I've always took shakes pre and post...and it does make a difference.

I've heard people do "during" shakes...what are your thoughts on that?

 

[layinback]

I've always took shakes pre and post...and it does make a difference.

I've heard people do "during" shakes...what are your thoughts on that?

My HRT Doctor swears by it. I've done it but prefer to drink water during
training. I'm sure it works and it's just a matter of preference.
one way or the other, you def need amino's in the blood while training
if nothing else, to stave off catabolism.

most people think all of this type stuff is too attention detailed or OCD.
i believe it's the attention to detail and all the little stuff that adds up
to a superior result.

I preach this in my company and the gym: superior work ethic and superior
plan equals a superior result.

 

[Drac58]

I have taken 5g creatine a day, usually post WO. But after a few weeks it starts to give me leg cramps during longer runs. I drink plenty of water so I don't think thats the reason. I liked it and felt strong on it but the cramps made me not want to use it anymore.