Do You Include SARM'S In Your PCT?

[crulexis]

Quick & Simple... do / will you include SARM'S as part of your PCT ritual? or do you think it's just the fad of the month

Feel free to insert links to studies / logs that proof your argument's for or against SARM'S in a PCT if possible...

 

[crulexis]

Those who voted , please provide some input perhaps? Or is it all opinion at this point...

 

[ceo]

haven't tried it, but am curious. Have heard at higher doses there are vision sides. Heard taking Lutein and Bilberry extract helps with that...or lowering dose. Read that at 50mg ed it's like a mild anavar cycle. Apparently at 100mg twice a day the vision sides ("yellow vision and loss of night vision) come on fast and strong.

a few studies/abstracts
An orally active selective androgen receptor modul... [Endocrinology. 2007] - PubMed result
Selective Androgen Receptor Modulator (SARM) Treatment Improves Muscle Strength and Body Composition, and Prevents Bone Loss in Orchidectomized Rats -- Gao et al., 10.1210/en.2005-0572 -- Endocrinology
http://endo.endojournals.org/cgi/reprint/145/12/5417.pdf

Someone else post more.

 

[crulexis]

Thanks CEO , this information is Invaluable.. I got lots of reading ahead of me

SARM'S Seem too good to be true at this point.. ( If you stay under 100MG'S .. more is unnecessary) that is.

 

[DJ_UFO]

Including it as part of a regular cycle or post cycle is totally irresponsible, but that is just my opinion. Even though they "look" safe, there is not enough research on humans, less in high doses for muscle building purposes. It will be a matter of time and experimentation, but I will not volunteer to try it on my body. I will wait a couple years.

Maybe it has less side effects than regular anabolic steroids, but we don't know. Simple as that. With anabolic steroids at least we know what to expect.

 

[crulexis]

What's the worst that can happen though, If you include it in your PCT at no more than 50MG's a day.. and you do a blood test at the end & thing's aren't back to "normal"

Can't you just get them back to normal, with a simple PCT protocol?

Obviously with something that's new like this a blood test before/during/after is a MUST ..

 

[DJ_UFO]

What's the worst that can happen though, If you include it in your PCT at no more than 50MG's a day.. and you do a blood test at the end & thing's aren't back to "normal"

Can't you just get them back to normal, with a simple PCT protocol?

Obviously with something that's new like this a blood test before/during/after is a MUST ..

That's one of the things I'm waiting for. Usage with blood test proof. We don't even know what 50mg a day will do for total test! so what is the purpose in using it if we don't know how much? lol. I know people is trying it, and will try it, but I need to see paperwork saying ok, 50mg is too much, or 50mg is ineffective; plus, once the right dose is determined to replace what a cycle of test cyp at 500mg a week would do, we need to see further evidence of effects on hpta of a healthy human. Because as part of a cycle or PCT, you'll not be able to accurately tell the effects.

So hopefully we start seeing more experiences!

 

[ceo]

tell you what bro. I am going to do more research into this, and then I will try it. I will try it alone though I think. Not as part of PCT. At least I'm pretty sure of that for now.

 

[crulexis]

I'm looking forward to see how you like it Ceo!
And Hopefully you can get some blood-tests done also to see how effective / ineffective it is.

 

[Dogfox]

Im going to be using it soon...

 

[Nelson Montana]

I'm using it now. I already have some opinions but want to give it a little more time. Will post soon. You might be suprised.

 

[SouthernLord]

I'm using it now. I already have some opinions but want to give it a little more time. Will post soon. You might be suprised.

Could you tell us how you are using it?

 

[makatk007]

Sarms has alot of big pharma money behind it. This does have some serious possibilities.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Could you tell us how you are using it?

Keeping dosages reasonable.

 

[crulexis]

Defiantly looking forward to hearing from you Nelson, you always seem to have all the answers.. lol

 

[doublebicep]

I'm using it now. I already have some opinions but want to give it a little more time. Will post soon. You might be suprised.

Cool. Really curious aout your experience.

 

[crulexis]

Did you use Sarms Search S4? or another

 

[truckdaddy]

I think the sarms is going to be a staple in PCT from now on.

Me personally, I dont mess with the hard stuff anymore. I dont like to shut down the HPTA.So I will us e it alone...but I see this being huge in all PCTs.

 

[jacshelb]

I picked "used in pct and recovery phenomenal" but I want to clarify- My sex drive, energy and testicle size recovery was "normal". I've done enough cycles to recognize and expect a certain time frame for recovery given doses etc. With s4 I retained an amazing amount of gains, gained strength and my bf didn't jump up as it usually does post cycle. That's what made it phenomenal. As far as actual "recovery", that was normal. i.e. s4 didn't seem to affect my natural test output reocvery and so forth- but held gains and helped a "bit" with energy etc.

For sex drive and general sense of well being I used DHEA along with S4 and Clomid. Never felt better or retained more gains!