Do you agree: Go with strength and bulk would come?

[mr.nitro]

training for size and training for strenth are two different things. the 2 overlap a bit, so if you powerlift you will get size, but not as much if your training for mass.

 

[Big_BK]

It's all about genetics IMO. I work with a guy who is a monster, lifts heavy low reps all the time and drinks a 6 pack every night and get shitfaced on weekends and is huge. He's just a lucky bastard genetic wise.

 

[halfcenturian]

It's all about genetics IMO. I work with a guy who is a monster, lifts heavy low reps all the time and drinks a 6 pack every night and get shitfaced on weekends and is huge. He's just a lucky bastard genetic wise.

I know what you mean... I hate guys like that. I'm envious.

How do YOU train BBK? Do you mix it up? Go heavy and light?

Genetics aside, do you think strength training = bulk?

 

[Big_BK]

In my opinion yes, If you lift heavy and eat big you won't stay small. I don't know any powerlifters that are small. Even daveTSI on here is lean as hell and looks like a fucking bodybuilder but hes a powerlifter. I Like training with low reps but i always mix it up, one week i will do 3's or 5's then the next week i may do 10's. I usually do some exercises low reps high weight then other exercises slightly higher reps all on the same day then on the next day i have that workout i switch the ones i did high rep last week to low rep. With strongman you need to worry about conditioning as well as strength which is why i do high reps stuff as well.

 

[dabuffguy]

that 2 lbs from halo would be proper muscle, 2lbs of pure muscle ameks huge difference on body ,its liie putting 2lbs of chicken breasts all over ur body and too me thats alot of muscle if its not fat or water

No doubt.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I don't quite understand your response Nelson. What ratio are you talking about? Slow twitch to fast twitch?

The big white fiber (fast twitch) muscles respond to heavy weight training. This is why strength coaches and powerlifters swear by heavy training. The thing is, if you don't have an abundance of those muscle types, the heavy weight won;t do anything. This is when most strength coaches will dismiss you.

I, on the other hand, work with people who don;t have that advantage. I work with the ones who the so-called experts dismiss. If you have mostly slow twitch type II muscles you need to get them as big and shapely as possible. A classic example is Frank Zane. Not a big, bulky guy. he's a type II guy. Same with Serge Nubret. If they trained like powerfilters they'd just be skinny guys with injuries. Instead, they're gods. because they knew how to train for their bodytype.

For more info: http://www.elitefitness.com/reports/truth/

 

[RobertFontaine]

I kind of like the Bill Starr Volume/Recovery/Intensity approach that covers all the bases and avoids this argument entirely.

I prefer to focus on strength and a big diet as a newbie (starting strength prog) as it works.

I'm not what's going to work best as an intermediate/advanced trainee. I'm going to give the Texas Method or Bill Starr's 5x5 a shot once SS stalls and can't be restarted.

So yes I agree... go with strength (and eat) and bulk will come.
I'm not convinced that there are many homo sapiens whose fast twitch/slow twitch percentage vary so radicly that this is not mostly always true.

 

[lookinfit75]

The big white fiber (fast twitch) muscles respond to heavy weight training. This is why strength coaches and powerlifters swear by heavy training. The thing is, if you don't have an abundance of those muscle types, the heavy weight won;t do anything. This is when most strength coaches will dismiss you.

I, on the other hand, work with people who don;t have that advantage. I work with the ones who the so-called experts dismiss. If you have mostly slow twitch type II muscles you need to get them as big and shapely as possible. A classic example is Frank Zane. Not a big, bulky guy. he's a type II guy. Same with Serge Nubret. If they trained like powerfilters they'd just be skinny guys with injuries. Instead, they're gods. because they knew how to train for their bodytype.

For more info: http://www.elitefitness.com/reports/truth/

Serge was small (relatively speaking of course) like Zane? I swear that guy had one of the most amazing physiques ever. Up there with Sergio and Arnie in my very humble opinion. So what kind of training did those guys do to attain such amazing physiques? Lot's of reps, low weights? Lot's of gear and the previously mentioned type of routine?

 

[lookinfit75]

By the way Nelson, I own both your books and I think they are great. That's where I learned about DHEA but as a metabolism enhancer.

 

[the_alcatraz]

Well, according to my experiences with weight lifting, as I got bigger, I got a lot stronger....so I'd have to say it's the other way around...I know people that may look very skinny but lift weights like champs....you don't have to be big to be strong, but generally when you get bigger, you can lift more weights because of the increased body weights, and your muscles get stronger because of the added resistance.

P.S. Why is this in AAS forums? (Should be in Weightlifting forums)