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cobracock1979

cobracock1979

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Hola,

I know there have been other threads on this but I still cant use the search function for some reason - please forgive if this is a repetetive thread.

Really Im lookimg for views on DNP, cycle protocols/ safety measures/ supplements.

Anyone had good/ bad experiences with DNP? Yeah, I know someone died from it.

Im starting a 14 weeker - my last cycle my aim was to become very lean. This scycle I am looking at a lean bulk and considering the option of using DNP pret PCT to remove any mush.

Wulfgar?
 
Dangerous stuff.. Def read up well
 
i used dnp only issue i had was alergic reaction that benadryl solved .. stuff can be wicked though ..i would personally use it again but i dont advise it on anyone
 
I've used it before. The dangers are greatly overstated. For instance, my body temp never rose above normal even though I was very hot. I have no doubt if you stood outside in 100 degree weather on dnp your body temp would rise, but in normal conditions it is not true that your body temp goes up.

I posted a log over at thesourcecheck forums. Here's a post from the end of my log:

Some conclusions:

1. Half life of DNP is much shorter than 36 hours: I don't know where that myth comes from, whether it's actually on spec sheets or what, but I first noticed this when I switched to morning/night dosing. I would notice that by the afternoon/evening I was not nearly as hot as the morning. I pretty much confirmed it now because I'm almost completely regular right now. If the half-life was 36 hours I would be just as hot today as I was yesterday. As is I'm not sweating all over myself any more and basically feel normal. Maybe a tiny bit warmer than usual but it's hard to tell because I'm hot all the time normally and its the middle of summer. My last dose was yesterday morning. I would peg the half-life more around 8 hours if I had to guess. (disclaimer: this is for my body, it is totally possible that for others the half-life is longer and my body is the exception). I would suggest splitting your doses up to three times a day: morning, afternoon, and night for maximum effectiveness. Or, conversely, keep morning and night dosages so you get a few hours of feeling somewhat normal at the end of every day at a possible cost of some weight loss.

2. DON'T TAKE DNP IN THE SUMMER!: I can't stress this enough. I noticed that when I get real hot (like say walking the 20 feet from my car to my office) it takes extra time and cooling power just to get me to stop pouring out sweat than to just keep me from sweating. If it was a decent temperature outside this wouldn't be a problem. I was literally soaking through my jeans and DREADING going out to lunch. Also getting in my car, it normally takes 10 minutes or so to get the 150 degree temp in the car to cool down. Without DNP that gets me covered in sweat. You can imagine how it was on DNP. If I was using this in the winter it would be much much more tolerable.

3. Eat like you are dieting normally: I ate like crap the first 4 days or so because I had heard you can eat whatever you want and still lose fast. I wasn't seeing much weight difference after the initial loss. I ate clean yesterday a few hundred cals under maintenance and I was down another 3/4 lb this morning and I could see it in my stomach. To get the most out of DNP I would say to eat like you are on a regular diet. That's when the fat will really come off. If it raises your metabolism by 150% but then you eat 150% your normal maintenance cals you aren't gonna lose any weight, you'll just be fuckin hot all day. Make sense?
 
Despite being as pure as the driven snow in my use of BBing drugs, I do like to find out the facts about all the drugs.

These are the things I have heard people say about it

Female BBer - said she rebounded really hard after she came off even with cardio and great diet. She thinks this is because her body thought it was starving.

PhD scientist/BBer - he was adamently anti-DNP but being a good scientist he thought he would try it, twice. He said you feel so diabolically bad while you are on it you can't do anything. He said he would rather diet a bit longer or do a bit more cardio than use DNP again.

Research scientist - says because DNP depletes the anti-oxidant capacity of the body (glutathione specifically), it results in DNA adducts (DNA bound to chemicals) which are potentially carcinogenic.

There, I have done my mum 'these are the bad things'.

;)
 
I might use it again, but honestly I was so uncomfortable I don't think I will. It was literally like hell for a week.
 
Thanks bros,

Yeh i defo dont need it now! I was potentially considering it at the end of a bulker. Just lookin into it noq.

I was thinkin 3 3 day cycles, with 5 days in bvetween
 
cobracock1979 said:
Thanks bros,

Yeh i defo dont need it now! I was potentially considering it at the end of a bulker. Just lookin into it noq.

I was thinkin 3 3 day cycles, with 5 days in bvetween
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3 day cycles wouldn't do much. It takes about 2-3 days to build up to start working.

I ran it for a week. I stopped because it's the summer, I'm in south florida, and I was fuckin dying because it's 95 degrees outside. If I run it again, it will be in the winter for 2 weeks.

Only lost about 1-2 lbs, but I was eating like shit. As my first experiment with DNP I wanted to see if the rumors that you eat whatever you want and still lose close to a lb a day were true. Well, they aren't true. You still have to diet. I believe had I been eating clean, a couple hundred cals under maintenance, I would have lost a lot of weight.

I can't tell you about rebound because I went right on to my cycle as soon as the DNP cleared from my system so I didn't have time to rebound. I have heard it shuts down your t4/t3 temporarily because your body is burning so many cals it thinks it's starving. Because DNP cycles are so quick, I would think the thyroid would recover quicly. If you keep eating clean, a little under maintenance for another week or two, I don't think rebound would be a problem.

If you are planning on using it after your cycle, I would wait til pct is over. You don't want to drastically reduce cals right when you are coming off AAS.
 
My views and protocols on some compounds like DNP and insulin stray somewhat from the beaten path.

I believe DNP can be very effective and minimally dangerous if used correctly and with the proper precautions.

1: utilize DNP for NO MORE than 21 consecutive days. And that is an absolute max. I prefer 10 days. or even 5 depending on protocol.
2. In my experience 3-5 mg/kg BW is just as effective and far safer than the oft recommended 6-8 mg/kg BW
3. Utilize Anti-oxidants while on
4. Drink at least 1 gallon of water daily to aid in cooling and excretion of catabolic waste. zGlycerol use is wise too to maintain cellular hydration.
5. Utilize glutamine while on to curb carb cravings.
6. Do not overly cut out carbs while using DNP. I prefer to just cut my carbs in half from my daily allotment. Often this means 1-1.5 Gp er lb of BW. Remember DNP truncates the insulin molecule meaning Oxidative uncoupling and ATP depletion will still happen at a increased rate even in the presence of insulin.

Either way its important to monitor temperature throughout the cycle. 99-100 degrees is acceptable. anything higher and back off the dose.

hope that helps my friend

:coffee:
 
Wulfgar said:
My views and protocols on some compounds like DNP and insulin stray somewhat from the beaten path.

I believe DNP can be very effective and minimally dangerous if used correctly and with the proper precautions.

1: utilize DNP for NO MORE than 21 consecutive days. And that is an absolute max. I prefer 10 days. or even 5 depending on protocol.
2. In my experience 3-5 mg/kg BW is just as effective and far safer than the oft recommended 6-8 mg/kg BW
3. Utilize Anti-oxidants while on
4. Drink at least 1 gallon of water daily to aid in cooling and excretion of catabolic waste. zGlycerol use is wise too to maintain cellular hydration.
5. Utilize glutamine while on to curb carb cravings.
6. Do not overly cut out carbs while using DNP. I prefer to just cut my carbs in half from my daily allotment. Often this means 1-1.5 Gp er lb of BW. Remember DNP truncates the insulin molecule meaning Oxidative uncoupling and ATP depletion will still happen at a increased rate even in the presence of insulin.

Either way its important to monitor temperature throughout the cycle. 99-100 degrees is acceptable. anything higher and back off the dose.

hope that helps my friend

:coffee:
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I concur. start out slow and find your dosage. Water might not be ideal all the time, flavored 0 carb drinks like crystal light and sugar free Hawaiian punch make you drink the ideal 1-2 gallons needed. V-8 juice is great while on dnp 2.Antioxidants 3-4 times daily too, and for 4-5 days afterward.
 
cobracock1979 said:
Wulfgar - u ever get any rebound after DNP cycles?
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the rebound is controllable IMHO and can be used in a positive manner.

Fact is DNP introduces major cravings due to the severe depletion of ATP. If you were to correctly sequence a AAS/peptide cycle along with a high protein intake and the proper training there is no reason you cant "rebound" with lean muscle tissue during the bodies heightened ability to uptake nutrients.

It is all about making the best out of a bad situation

:coffee:

this is the reason I sometimes "pre-load" my cycles with short DNP cycles(In addition to its amazing ability to clear androgen and other receptor sites).
 
Wulfgar said:
the rebound is controllable IMHO and can be used in a positive manner.

Fact is DNP introduces major cravings due to the severe depletion of ATP. If you were to correctly sequence a AAS/peptide cycle along with a high protein intake and the proper training there is no reason you cant "rebound" with lean muscle tissue during the bodies heightened ability to uptake nutrients.

It is all about making the best out of a bad situation

:coffee:

this is the reason I sometimes "pre-load" my cycles with short DNP cycles(In addition to its amazing ability to clear androgen and other receptor sites).
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As Wulfgar stated, you can definitely use the rebound of DNP to build lean tissue. Some of my best gains have been coming off of DNP and using AAS.
 
In fact thats basically what I did. I ran DNP for 1 week, let it clear for 3 days, then started my dbol/deca/test cycle. I put on 10 lbs the first 2 weeks (some of which was obviously water and a little fat). Right now just started the first day of week 4 and I'm 12 lbs up. Not sure how much the DNP contributed to my quick gains because this is my first time using dbol as a kicker. If I had to guess I'd say I'm up 4-5 solid lbs of muscle right now out of that 12lbs, but the test and deca hasn't even really kicked in yet :D
 
cobracock1979 said:
Hola,

I know there have been other threads on this but I still cant use the search function for some reason - please forgive if this is a repetetive thread.

Really Im lookimg for views on DNP, cycle protocols/ safety measures/ supplements.

Anyone had good/ bad experiences with DNP? Yeah, I know someone died from it.

Im starting a 14 weeker - my last cycle my aim was to become very lean. This scycle I am looking at a lean bulk and considering the option of using DNP pret PCT to remove any mush.

Wulfgar?
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1st timer try 200mg day for 7days. drink plenty of water.
 
I started to really feel the heat when I bumped up to 400mg a day.

5 days at 200mg could be a good first run to feel it out and see how you respond to it.
 
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