DNP For Women

[herselftheelf]

Hello, I am new to Elite Fitness, and I'm not quite yet familiar with posting protocol.

I have been researching DNP for a few months now, and have found that there is little information out there written specifically for women.

I have learned a lot, and would like to share my experience with the chemical, if that's allowed here... and there is interest.

Thanks

 

[StickFigure]

Hello, I am new to Elite Fitness, and I'm not quite yet familiar with posting protocol.

I have been researching DNP for a few months now, and have found that there is little information out there written specifically for women.

I have learned a lot, and would like to share my experience with the chemical, if that's allowed here... and there is interest.

Thanks

If you have been studying it and have personal experience, I see no reason why you can't.

Just make sure you leave some sort of disclaimer. I have been studying and using DNP for some time now and am still VERY careful about what I suggest for people. DNP is not a substance to be taken lightly.

I'm interested to hear what you have to say though.

 

[Sassy69]

You won't find much written / published about DNP simply because you won't find many formal studies that find funding for something as controversial as this - just like you won't find much of anythign published on women's use of AAS.

 

[StickFigure]

You won't find much written / published about DNP simply because you won't find many formal studies that find funding for something as controversial as this - just like you won't find much of anythign published on women's use of AAS.

Thought you were going to bed? Just tryin' to avoid me huh

 

[msam76]

What is DNP?

 

[StickFigure]

What is DNP?

The most potent fat burner in the world. Literally!

 

[HerselfThElf]

Well... it's been 12 days of hell. Many say it's not worth it, and some swear by it. I'm pretty sure it's not worth it.

Here's a little personal history:
I have been lifting regularly, with intensity and discipline, for about two years now. I change my routine about ever four months to maximize gains, and minimize stalling.

I devour nutrition and training theory and doctrine. I have extreme discipline when it comes to maintaining a clean diet.

DNP is making it nearly impossible for me to eat "cleanly". The carb cravings are INSANE.

I started my fourteen day cycle with 200 mg/day for four days, then 400 mg/day for 10 days. (Yes I'm 100% positive that the powdered DNP capsules were dosed correctly.)

I didn't start having the crazy sides until the fourth day. Body temp 101.4 at the highest. (That's when I dug in to the fat-free ice cream.) Body temp averages about 99.5. I haven't been sweating like my guy friends who are also taking it, and I am drinking about a gallon + each day. I feel lethargic, and have difficulty breathing, but it's not a big issue. I have been able to take an E/C/A before going to the gym, and do a 30 minute cardio work out with light intensity. (Walking on treadmill at 3.5 mph at a 15% incline.) I have had to reduce the amount of weight I lift by about 20%.

So far, my body hasn't changed much. DNP makes you retain a ton of water, so I'm not sure of the results yet. My body weight is about the same. Body fat has stayed at around 25% (I use a tanita scale that measures water, bf and lean muscle, so the accuracy is questionable).

I have been eating oatmeal every day, sweet potatoes, chicken... and then at night I feel like I'm going to die unless I eat a fudge-cicle or a ton of ice cream. I really think the carb cravings are screwing me.

So, my conclusion, is that DNP is not worth the hassle. It shoots your training to hell, could kill you, makes you eat like a big girl, (I'm 5'4, 130 lbs and ate a whole chicken in one sitting) makes daily life excruciating and makes you feel like you are walking around with a chubby midget on your back all the time.

It saps your seratonin, and makes you bloated. It's like Pms'ing for two weeks straight. Oh yeah, and there's the neon orange diarrhea. That's the best part.

Seriously, don't bother with this shit. I hate to say it, but the best way to cut BF is to *sigh* eat right, and exercise.

Fun fact: DNP has killed people at 4mg/kg of body weight, used long term, and short term. (Less than a week.)

I'm going to finish the cycle and wait for the water to come off. I'll let you know what the final results are.

Seriously though, stay away from this shit. Hydroxycut hardcore works better and is less likely to kill you.

 

[StickFigure]

Well... it's been 12 days of hell. Many say it's not worth it, and some swear by it. I'm pretty sure it's not worth it.

Here's a little personal history:
I have been lifting regularly, with intensity and discipline, for about two years now. I change my routine about ever four months to maximize gains, and minimize stalling.

I devour nutrition and training theory and doctrine. I have extreme discipline when it comes to maintaining a clean diet.

DNP is making it nearly impossible for me to eat "cleanly". The carb cravings are INSANE.

I started my fourteen day cycle with 200 mg/day for four days, then 400 mg/day for 10 days. (Yes I'm 100% positive that the powdered DNP capsules were dosed correctly.)

I didn't start having the crazy sides until the fourth day. Body temp 101.4 at the highest. (That's when I dug in to the fat-free ice cream.) Body temp averages about 99.5. I haven't been sweating like my guy friends who are also taking it, and I am drinking about a gallon + each day. I feel lethargic, and have difficulty breathing, but it's not a big issue. I have been able to take an E/C/A before going to the gym, and do a 30 minute cardio work out with light intensity. (Walking on treadmill at 3.5 mph at a 15% incline.) I have had to reduce the amount of weight I lift by about 20%.

So far, my body hasn't changed much. DNP makes you retain a ton of water, so I'm not sure of the results yet. My body weight is about the same. Body fat has stayed at around 25% (I use a tanita scale that measures water, bf and lean muscle, so the accuracy is questionable).

I have been eating oatmeal every day, sweet potatoes, chicken... and then at night I feel like I'm going to die unless I eat a fudge-cicle or a ton of ice cream. I really think the carb cravings are screwing me.

So, my conclusion, is that DNP is not worth the hassle. It shoots your training to hell, could kill you, makes you eat like a big girl, (I'm 5'4, 130 lbs and ate a whole chicken in one sitting) makes daily life excruciating and makes you feel like you are walking around with a chubby midget on your back all the time.

It saps your seratonin, and makes you bloated. It's like Pms'ing for two weeks straight. Oh yeah, and there's the neon orange diarrhea. That's the best part.

Seriously, don't bother with this shit. I hate to say it, but the best way to cut BF is to *sigh* eat right, and exercise.

Fun fact: DNP has killed people at 4mg/kg of body weight, used long term, and short term. (Less than a week.)

I'm going to finish the cycle and wait for the water to come off. I'll let you know what the final results are.

Seriously though, stay away from this shit. Hydroxycut hardcore works better and is less likely to kill you.

In my experience with DNP, if you maintain a very low carb diet during the cycle, the carb cravings will not come into play. I just recently inished a 4 week cycle at 500mg/ed on the diet I mentioned and noted no carb cravings, UNLESS, I cheated with sugary or starchy carbs.
Plus, the fat loss is much more extreme that way!!

 

[Sassy69]

Glad you are ok w/ it anyway ...

RE: the water retention -- you can run a week -10 days of natural diuretic like dandelion root + usa urvi or one of the OTC recipes like Taraxatone.

 

[superqt4u2nv]

I dunno how you could eat carbs on DNP as you are ready hot the minute you eat them you body temp sky rockets even more. Becareful! I ran it for 2 days developed a rash sayed f* this and dropped it. If the sides are out of control my suggestion is just to drop it. Risk reward with this drug is simply not worth it IMO.

 

[The Shadow]

I dunno how you could eat carbs on DNP as you are ready hot the minute you eat them you body temp sky rockets even more. Becareful! I ran it for 2 days developed a rash sayed f* this and dropped it. If the sides are out of control my suggestion is just to drop it. Risk reward with this drug is simply not worth it IMO.

Exactly.....


Keep in mind there is some evidence that it could be harmfull to the eggs....unlike men who produce sperm on the go...all your eggs are already there

 

[scorpiogirl]

Damn, elf! I'd just drop it now! If you do well with ECA, why not stay with it. If you want some kickin' thermo action, you could try some T-rex. It gets you pretty heated up. I take EC minus the A with T-rex a couple times a week and do well with it. I'm also 5' 4" & 128-129 lbs. You seem to tolerate stims well, it may work for you.

Anything that makes me feel weak - per your 20% drop with the weights - is totally not worth it. Weak, hard to breathe, cravings, water retention........flush it........

Hope you start feeling better!

 

[StickFigure]

I dunno how you could eat carbs on DNP as you are ready hot the minute you eat them you body temp sky rockets even more. Becareful! I ran it for 2 days developed a rash sayed f* this and dropped it. If the sides are out of control my suggestion is just to drop it. Risk reward with this drug is simply not worth it IMO.

It raises surface temp., NOT core temp. You will actually find just your core temp DROPS slightly. It still can be miserable though.

As far as the rash, everyone who wants to run DNP should always take a low dose for the first 3-4 days to see if sides like the rash develop. If the rash comes on, but is not severe, many peeps have taken Benedryl for it and successfully continued to take the lower doses of DNP. If the rash is severe, then yes, DNP is not for you. Once you determine whether or not you can successfully take DNP, then you can start increasing the dosage until you find your tolerance (typically 100mg/day).

 

[Aries13]

at 25% BF .. why dont you just try strict diet and training instead of risking your life?

 

[The Shadow]

at 25% BF .. why dont you just try strict diet and training instead of risking your life?

in all fairness - you cant us a BIO fat measure ESPECIALLY when you are on DNP..but you have a great point nonetheless

 

[StickFigure]

in all fairness - you cant us a BIO fat measure ESPECIALLY when you are on DNP..but you have a great point nonetheless

True. I sell the Tanita scales where I work and they are just not that accurate for consistant bf% measurements. there are really 3 main ways to measure, electrical impedence (bf scales, and held units), calipers (ol' reliable), and the dunk tank (most accurate but biggest pain in the ass). when people ask me if the electrical impedence is reliable I tell them, "it's the 3rd most relaible way to measure. lol!! It's ok for the average person who just needs a general idea if they're losing bf or not, but anything more serious, go with the calipers.

 

[herselftheelf]

RE: carbs and DNP. All the information I've gathered maintains that carbs should be high during a DNP cycle. At least 50%. I'm wondering if you have a point though. I've seen great results with keto diets.

And, it DOES raise your core temperature. I know from personal exprience. (I've been under medical supervision the whole time.)

I've spoken with my doctor about the sides, etc... he strongly advised me to stop, ran some blood work, and said everything is fine. There is a slight decrease in white count, and a slight increase in bilirubin, which indicates that it is effecting my liver. He said that while there seem to be no problems now, there is not enough information (studies, clinical trials) to be certain that it's not going to harm me long term.

...yeah, not the smartest thing I have ever done.

 

[Gymgurl]

Boy to me I would say not worth it...

 

[coolcatjen]

This is what Im most interested in and why I joined, How will I ever know what my BF% should be, every web site/ book says something different?! All I know is that Im noit happy with they way things are fitting these days and have been doing a ton of research on DNP but not seeing anything about how it works on females, ie do yoiu lose as much BF or what side effects...I work our 5 days a week and keep a low carb diet but its just not cutting it for me, I'm 5'10 1/2 and I think I should weigh around 145?! But I'm more concerned about my BF now. I'm so new to this and lost, I just got out of the Army and they have a different look at body types, any help or ideas would be greatly appriciated, especially about DNP

 

[The Shadow]

RE: carbs and DNP. All the information I've gathered maintains that carbs should be high during a DNP cycle. At least 50%. I'm wondering if you have a point though. I've seen great results with keto diets.

And, it DOES raise your core temperature. I know from personal exprience. (I've been under medical supervision the whole time.)

I've spoken with my doctor about the sides, etc... he strongly advised me to stop, ran some blood work, and said everything is fine. There is a slight decrease in white count, and a slight increase in bilirubin, which indicates that it is effecting my liver. He said that while there seem to be no problems now, there is not enough information (studies, clinical trials) to be certain that it's not going to harm me long term.

...yeah, not the smartest thing I have ever done.

You should bump up fruit etc...that increases the carb consumption on its own.

IMO - you can run a lower dose with a higher carb intake and get comparable results as a slightly higher does and low carbs

 

[Sassy69]

This is what Im most interested in and why I joined, How will I ever know what my BF% should be, every web site/ book says something different?! All I know is that Im noit happy with they way things are fitting these days and have been doing a ton of research on DNP but not seeing anything about how it works on females, ie do yoiu lose as much BF or what side effects...I work our 5 days a week and keep a low carb diet but its just not cutting it for me, I'm 5'10 1/2 and I think I should weigh around 145?! But I'm more concerned about my BF now. I'm so new to this and lost, I just got out of the Army and they have a different look at body types, any help or ideas would be greatly appriciated, especially about DNP

Hey CCJ -- just saw your first post -- suggest you start a new thread - look at the stickies at the top of the board, i.e.

Are you new to EF Women's Board - START HERE!

TOP THREADS - Great info -- MUST READ!


In your new thread can you list:

1) your stats - height, weight, bodyfat, age
2) your current diet - what you eat in a given day - specifically, e.g.

Meal 1: 8 am
1/2 c oatmeal
2 whole eggs

Meal 2: 12 noon
5 oz turkey breast
2 c salad

And then if you can go further & put your day's meal plan in a food counts program like www.fitday.com and then include in your thread what your total calories are, as well as the macronutrient break down (grams, % protein / grams, % fats / grams, % carbs). If we can see that, we can make some easy tweaks to get you where you want to go --don't forget that diet is about 80% of what will get you where you are trying to go. OR equivalently it can hinder your goals just as easily.

3) what is your current training & how long have you been training, cardio, whatever you are doing.

IMO DNP is ABOFUCKINGLUTELY NOT FOR YOU.

You just go out of the military, so I'm sure the food has had a big impact on your physique, not to the better. But if you haven't spent any time getting your diet back in order and getting some exercise, then you are just looking for a quicky fix. And if you are willing to explore putting a chemical that is made of the same stuff used in RAID bug killer, then I can't imagine why you woudln't be willing to explore some much simpler, safer & more reliable methods include changing your diet & training.

As herself discovered - 1) there's not a lot of info about DNP, esp for women, 2) it sux, 3) its not considered safe and 4) she didnt' get any miracle quicky results.

And for you - holy shit girl - you're nearly 6 ft tall & 145 lb???? I'm 5'7" and my competition weight at 8% bf is 135 lb. You're not fat. You just dont' have any muscle. You don't need to burn much fat - you NEED TO BUILD SOME MUSCLE!

If you can start a new thread we can get you heading in a productive direction w/ some basic nutrition & training. PLEASE DO NOT GET SIDETRACKED LOOKING FOR QUICKY FIXES W/ UNSAFE CHEMICALS. THERE ARE NO QUICKY FIXES.

 

[herselftheelf]

Final stats:
Ok, so after all the water came off, the DNP really did work. I actually even managed to gain lean mass some how. Bodyfat went down from 25% to 17.5% (measured by calipers). Body weight dropped a total of 10 lbs.

However, it seriously wasn't worth it. I felt like crap, was seriously depressed, got a bad cold and lost a lot of my strength during the cycle. It's back now, and I'm actually able to lift a little heavier in some exercises. I can bench 90 lbs (dumb bells) 2 sets 8 reps per set. Before, I could only do 70-80 lbs. I also started creatine recently... and eating a ton of protein every few hours. I've upped my caloric intake to 250-300 above maint, and seen great results.

Oh, yeah, the other thing-- my veins are popping out everywhere now.

Anyway, you can get the same results, or better ones with ECA, carb cutting, and eating every few hours. DNP is not worth it.

 

[The Shadow]

130 pounds at 25% fat before - 97.5 pounds of lean mass

120 pounds at 17.5 % after = 99 pounds of lean mass.


So you did gain some lbm - nice.


I assume you mean you are benching 45 pound dbs - not 90's right??

 

[the-short-one]

don't flame me.

I tried DNP and was able to stay on for close to 3 weeks. Got the rash. it went away after using Benedryl. had carb cravings, but I I stayed true to my diet. (Ate a lot of apples, blueberries, strawberries, grapefruit.) IMO, it wasn't bad at all. I drank 2 gallons of water a day and took a boat load of antiox with it. I even worked during the day in 100 degree heat. Night sweats sucked, tho. held lots of water. Otherwise it was successful.

oh, and I did a boat load of research and asked Stick a lot of questions D) before I used it. I took:

glucorel
sesupure
vitamin e
vitamin c
l-taurine

at same time.

 

[the-short-one]

oops. 2 weeks. not 3. sorry.

 

[herselftheelf]

This is what Im most interested in and why I joined, How will I ever know what my BF% should be, every web site/ book says something different?! All I know is that Im noit happy with they way things are fitting these days and have been doing a ton of research on DNP but not seeing anything about how it works on females, ie do yoiu lose as much BF or what side effects...I work our 5 days a week and keep a low carb diet but its just not cutting it for me, I'm 5'10 1/2 and I think I should weigh around 145?! But I'm more concerned about my BF now. I'm so new to this and lost, I just got out of the Army and they have a different look at body types, any help or ideas would be greatly appriciated, especially about DNP

Jen, stay away from the DNP. It's not worth it. Hydroxycut Hardcore works really well, and the sides are tolerable.

low carb doesn't work for everyone.. and most people do it wrong anyway.
They think they can eat things with sugar alcohol without coming out of ketosis.

Try using a tool like gym journal (www.gymjournal.com) to track your nutrition and work out information. If you are doing low carb, it is important to manipulate the carbs you are eating to get maximum use of them, instead of storing them as fat.

What is your diet like?

 

[herselftheelf]

130 pounds at 25% fat before - 97.5 pounds of lean mass

120 pounds at 17.5 % after = 99 pounds of lean mass.


So you did gain some lbm - nice.


I assume you mean you are benching 45 pound dbs - not 90's right??

lol.
Yes, 45 lb dbs. 90 lbs total.
I can do 15 pull ups now!

 

[herselftheelf]

oops. 2 weeks. not 3. sorry.

Wow. You have a great tummy.

 

[herselftheelf]

Damn, elf! I'd just drop it now! If you do well with ECA, why not stay with it. If you want some kickin' thermo action, you could try some T-rex. It gets you pretty heated up. I take EC minus the A with T-rex a couple times a week and do well with it. I'm also 5' 4" & 128-129 lbs. You seem to tolerate stims well, it may work for you.

Anything that makes me feel weak - per your 20% drop with the weights - is totally not worth it. Weak, hard to breathe, cravings, water retention........flush it........

Hope you start feeling better!

Thanks Scorpiogirl. I feel much better. But it took about a month. Seriously not worth it. What is T-rex?

 

[superqt4u2nv]

Thanks Scorpiogirl. I feel much better. But it took about a month. Seriously not worth it. What is T-rex?

http://www.thermorexin.com/