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pumped5540

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I ran a 12 week cycle prop, tren, winny, t-3 and clen in prep for my first show. I was very pleased with the results, this was my 8th or 9th cycle. I ran DHEA and HCG during and started on recycle (HCGenerate was out of stock)clomid, Bridge, and nolvadex... my last injection was 5 weeks ago & I have been great up until now. I'm feeling tired as hell, depressed, no sexual desire or erections. I'm ordering some HCGenerate tomorrow and was wondering if I would be okay putting the HCG back in for a few weeks or would that shut me down? I am also running SARMS-4 at 30mg ed
 
I would jump on some igf-1.
Hcgenerate should help you out as well.
I am against running HCG throughout an entire cycle. It can have the opposite effect that you are going for when overused.
I think running hcg for another run is something I would think about doing as well.
 
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HCG has a half life of about 24 hours, taken a couple times a week in doses that wouldnt be overkill (ie 250-350IU) shouldnt have any detrimental effect but should help to get the boys working again. Sooner or later your gonna have to lay off the HCG and let your normal LH levels kick in but in the mean time with mild, infrequent weekly use during and post cycle should keep the boys rdy to work and speed recovery.
 
I ran a 12 week cycle prop, tren, winny, t-3 and clen in prep for my first show. I was very pleased with the results, this was my 8th or 9th cycle. I ran DHEA and HCG during and started on recycle (HCGenerate was out of stock)clomid, Bridge, and nolvadex... my last injection was 5 weeks ago & I have been great up until now. I'm feeling tired as hell, depressed, no sexual desire or erections. I'm ordering some HCGenerate tomorrow and was wondering if I would be okay putting the HCG back in for a few weeks or would that shut me down? I am also running SARMS-4 at 30mg ed

what I would do is get your hcgenerate and take it 5 cap am and pm for a few days. You will feel fantastic in just a few days or i will eat my words and give you triple your money back.. once you are feeling better drop the dose down to 3 caps am and 2 caps pm till the bottle is gone. then cruise on bridge 3 caps a day till your next cycle and you will be fine my friend..

you may also want to run 5 weeks of forma-stanzol 5 pumps am and pm along with the hcgenerate. To get extrogen and progesterone back into normal levels. BOOM my advice never ever ever fails and if it does I am the only man on this site willing to put his whole life and his money where is mouth is. anyone else doing that???? nope
thanks my man. Pm me any time. :biggrin::biggrin:
 
HCGenerate woudl deff help!
HCG i would not use right now it WILL NOT HELP RECOVERY it will make it harder, using it last few weeks (or whole cycle wich i do not rec but many do) only helps with size for when its time for pct.
but its NOT pct.
if anything run 10-20mg nolva (or 50mg clomid, i never really liked clomid thow) for a couple more weeks and then the HCGenerate.

personally im onhigher end (250mg ew) HRT/TRT and wont ever go back.
 
what I would do is get your hcgenerate and take it 5 cap am and pm for a few days. You will feel fantastic in just a few days or i will eat my words and give you triple your money back.. once you are feeling better drop the dose down to 3 caps am and 2 caps pm till the bottle is gone. then cruise on bridge 3 caps a day till your next cycle and you will be fine my friend..

you may also want to run 5 weeks of forma-stanzol 5 pumps am and pm along with the hcgenerate. To get extrogen and progesterone back into normal levels. BOOM my advice never ever ever fails and if it does I am the only man on this site willing to put his whole life and his money where is mouth is. anyone else doing that???? nope
thanks my man. Pm me any time. :biggrin::biggrin:



Awesome! I ordered HCGenerate yesterday with some unleashed and post cycle!
 
HCG has a half life of about 24 hours, taken a couple times a week in doses that wouldnt be overkill (ie 250-350IU) shouldnt have any detrimental effect but should help to get the boys working again. Sooner or later your gonna have to lay off the HCG and let your normal LH levels kick in but in the mean time with mild, infrequent weekly use during and post cycle should keep the boys rdy to work and speed recovery.

Hey zyg, I tried the whole on cycle thing with hcg before and I'm sure it works for some but it was huge disaster for me in the past which I why reccomend against it now.
 
Hey zyg, I tried the whole on cycle thing with hcg before and I'm sure it works for some but it was huge disaster for me in the past which I why reccomend against it now.

Hey lartinos how did you run it bro and what were the side effects?

Op run needto's products bro and keep your cals up with lots of wholesome food so you can bounce back, good luck :)
 
Hey zyg, I tried the whole on cycle thing with hcg before and I'm sure it works for some but it was huge disaster for me in the past which I why reccomend against it now.
How was it used? Define "disaster" please.
 
Hey lartinos how did you run it bro and what were the side effects?

Op run needto's products bro and keep your cals up with lots of wholesome food so you can bounce back, good luck :)

This was about two years ago and I was running at the low dose reccomended three times a week and then I just got totally shutdown from it. You live and you learn. I will only take it as the last ester clears and will only tell people to do that way because it is not woth the trouble IMO.
 
How was it used? Define "disaster" please.

It had me totally shutdown bro. When you use too much HCG for too long it makes your balls smaller if anything. Usually soon after an HCG shot they would get as big as ever. When you do infact overuse it it just makes things worse and I had to lay off it to come off. Which really sucked because it works so damn good for me otherwise and made my PCT way harder. I would just say to use with caution if anybody is going to go that route. That is all.
 
I would jump on some igf-1.
Hcgenerate should help you out as well.
I am against running HCG throughout an entire cycle. It can have the opposite effect that you are going for when overused.
I think running hcg for another run is something I would think about doing as well.



What kind of dosage are you thinking?
 
I ran a 12 week cycle prop, tren, winny, t-3 and clen in prep for my first show. I was very pleased with the results, this was my 8th or 9th cycle. I ran DHEA and HCG during and started on recycle (HCGenerate was out of stock)clomid, Bridge, and nolvadex... my last injection was 5 weeks ago & I have been great up until now. I'm feeling tired as hell, depressed, no sexual desire or erections. I'm ordering some HCGenerate tomorrow and was wondering if I would be okay putting the HCG back in for a few weeks or would that shut me down? I am also running SARMS-4 at 30mg ed

Had similar issue with lethargy, lack of sexual desire, no wood .... I took needto's advice and was much better in a very short time. HCGenerate did me right.
 
It had me totally shutdown bro. When you use too much HCG for too long it makes your balls smaller if anything. Usually soon after an HCG shot they would get as big as ever. When you do infact overuse it it just makes things worse and I had to lay off it to come off. Which really sucked because it works so damn good for me otherwise and made my PCT way harder. I would just say to use with caution if anybody is going to go that route. That is all.

Sorry man, doesnt make any sense at all. If your using HCG during a cycle its not what is shutting you down, the cycle is. The HCG will kick you balls into action shortly after the HCG is injected for a short while (ie 24 hour half life is done sub-q).

If your on a cycle not sure how you can say HCG is what shut ya down. 100mg/wk test will shut you down. HCG will trigger natural test production even if on a cycle. Will your teste size fluctuate? Sure, the days its used they will likely be a bit larger than when its out of your system but your balls are shrinking because they are not producing test, its not because you used HCG.
 
Sorry man, doesnt make any sense at all. If your using HCG during a cycle its not what is shutting you down, the cycle is. The HCG will kick you balls into action shortly after the HCG is injected for a short while (ie 24 hour half life is done sub-q).

If your on a cycle not sure how you can say HCG is what shut ya down. 100mg/wk test will shut you down. HCG will trigger natural test production even if on a cycle. Will your teste size fluctuate? Sure, the days its used they will likely be a bit larger than when its out of your system but your balls are shrinking because they are not producing test, its not because you used HCG.

Testicular responsiveness to chronic human chorionic gonadotropin administration in hypogonadotropic hypogonadism.

D'Agata R, Vicari E, Aliffi A, Maugeri G, Mongioi A, Gulizia S.

Steroidogenic responsiveness to long term hCG administration (1500 U three times a week for 23 months) was characterized in 8 males with hypogonadotropic hypogonadism (HH). During hCG treatment, testosterone (T), which was in the prepuberal range under basal conditions, rose considerably to the upper end of the normal range and remained at that level during the 23 months of observation. A 2.5-fold increase was observed in serum levels of 17 beta-estradiol (E2) an increment less than seen with T. The increment in 17 alpha-hydroxyprogesterone was also lower than that in T throughout the study; thus, the 17 alpha-hydroxyprogesterone to T ratio, despite continuous hCG administration, remained low. Serum androstenedione was slightly increased during hCG therapy. No significant changes were observed in serum levels of dehydroepiandrosterone. These data indicate that continuous long term hCG administration stimulated T levels in HH, with a relatively small change in E2. The kinetics of the T and E2 responses to 2000 U hCG, evaluated after 23 months of therapy, indicated that the testicular response was markedly reduced. No increment in T levels was observed at 24 h; the maximal response occurred at 48 h. This pattern of T response supports the idea that partial testicular desensitization occurs in HH patients receiving chronic treatment with hCG.
 
If I was you, I'd use real HCG and real a real SERM like clomid, something tried and true. Not trying to debate the efficacy of any of the other products used, but why chance it.

Top doctors in the field are recommending single low dose SERM (ran out as long as 6 months) for full HPTA restarts. 10-20mg of clomephine, for example.

If I were you, I would definitely get some labwork done, rather than guess at this point. Might cost you a few bucks, but the misery of a blown HPTA is not something you want to wait for (I know from personal experience):

Testosterone
Estradiol (sensitive)
SHBG
LH
FSH

Post your numbers here after you get the results.
 
I ran a 12 week cycle prop, tren, winny, t-3 and clen in prep for my first show. I was very pleased with the results, this was my 8th or 9th cycle. I ran DHEA and HCG during and started on recycle (HCGenerate was out of stock)clomid, Bridge, and nolvadex... my last injection was 5 weeks ago & I have been great up until now. I'm feeling tired as hell, depressed, no sexual desire or erections. I'm ordering some HCGenerate tomorrow and was wondering if I would be okay putting the HCG back in for a few weeks or would that shut me down? I am also running SARMS-4 at 30mg ed

Same thing happened to my ex. He was good for about a month after his last injection, then he tanked. No sex drive, depressed as hell, yadda yadda. His TT had dropped below 100. That being said, he then started using HCGenerate and started feeling better in no time. He's getting his levels tested again next week, I'll let you know how it goes. Sounds like you guys are in a similar boat.

Recovery is different for everyone. Just gotta find what works for you.
 
what I would do is get your hcgenerate and take it 5 cap am and pm for a few days. You will feel fantastic in just a few days or i will eat my words and give you triple your money back.. once you are feeling better drop the dose down to 3 caps am and 2 caps pm till the bottle is gone. then cruise on bridge 3 caps a day till your next cycle and you will be fine my friend..

you may also want to run 5 weeks of forma-stanzol 5 pumps am and pm along with the hcgenerate. To get extrogen and progesterone back into normal levels. BOOM my advice never ever ever fails and if it does I am the only man on this site willing to put his whole life and his money where is mouth is. anyone else doing that???? nope
thanks my man. Pm me any time. :biggrin::biggrin:


I fucked up my man. I forgot to factor in the fact that you where on tren, and then after that you took nolvadex. You are having progesterone problem my friend. I am glad you called and I was able to spot that problem my man.. Hcgenerate+ formastanzol and you will be perfectly fine in 5 days max. Please please come back and up date all of us daily as you are talking the products my friend.

I think it is of the up most importance that people see you come back and give that feed back so that they can all see that I know what I am talking about :biggrin:
 
Honestly, i have tried Forged Burner and it put me in a great mood! I dont know how but i always felt so good on it
 
Honestly, i have tried Forged Burner and it put me in a great mood! I dont know how but i always felt so good on it

There are nootropics added in which explains that feeling. Adderllin actually has even more so I would expect you would feel the same if not more on that as I know you have used both.
 
Testicular responsiveness to chronic human chorionic gonadotropin administration in hypogonadotropic hypogonadism.

D'Agata R, Vicari E, Aliffi A, Maugeri G, Mongioi A, Gulizia S.

Steroidogenic responsiveness to long term hCG administration (1500 U three times a week for 23 months) was characterized in 8 males with hypogonadotropic hypogonadism (HH). During hCG treatment, testosterone (T), which was in the prepuberal range under basal conditions, rose considerably to the upper end of the normal range and remained at that level during the 23 months of observation. A 2.5-fold increase was observed in serum levels of 17 beta-estradiol (E2) an increment less than seen with T. The increment in 17 alpha-hydroxyprogesterone was also lower than that in T throughout the study; thus, the 17 alpha-hydroxyprogesterone to T ratio, despite continuous hCG administration, remained low. Serum androstenedione was slightly increased during hCG therapy. No significant changes were observed in serum levels of dehydroepiandrosterone. These data indicate that continuous long term hCG administration stimulated T levels in HH, with a relatively small change in E2. The kinetics of the T and E2 responses to 2000 U hCG, evaluated after 23 months of therapy, indicated that the testicular response was markedly reduced. No increment in T levels was observed at 24 h; the maximal response occurred at 48 h. This pattern of T response supports the idea that partial testicular desensitization occurs in HH patients receiving chronic treatment with hCG.

You states HCG shut you down. The above study states....

During hCG treatment, testosterone (T), which was in the prepuberal range under basal conditions, rose considerably to the upper end of the normal range and remained at that level during the 23 months of observation.

This means the HCG was causing the testes to produce test, thats the opposite of shutting down.

Next, the test used 1500IU 3x weekly, thats 5X the dose I said to use 2x a week. Also this test was conducted over almost a 2 YEAR period of time.

Lastly they are basing the desensitization on the fact that going from 1500IU to 2000IU and that it did not cause an increase in T. I wont argue there can possibly be some desensitization to long term high dose HCG use but by the study they claim the 1500IU already raised normal T.... "rose considerably to the upper end of the normal range".

When T levels are already in the upper normal range who is to say that the reduced effect of additional HCG (ie going from a high 1500IU to 2000IU) wasnt simply due to other feedback mechanism already registering high T levels?

I stand by my original statement that if your on a cycle, that is what shut you down, not HCG use.
 
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Ya, I just know it did indeed happen to me.
Doseages used in studies don't necessarily mean that is the dose needed to shut you down.
I was also using the low dose three times a week which is a lot.
Either way it shut me down and has the potential to shut others down in my opinion.
It works much much better when used as the last ester clears for me as an individual.
For others who knows... But to be on the safe side I will continue to tell people to use it "my" way lol. People can read this thread and decide which route is best for them.
I'd love to see more studies done on this.
I haven't really seen them though.
 
Ya, I just know it did indeed happen to me.
Doseages used in studies don't necessarily mean that is the dose needed to shut you down.
The study you posted clearly shows that HCG use INCREASED test production. That is not "shutting someone down". All of the other studies I have seen regarding HCG use echo the study you posted and all you have to go on is the size of your balls which is not a clinical indicator of test production and even if it was, you were taking in exo test which has also clearly in countless studies shown to shut down natural test production so what exactly are you basing your statements on?

I can understand if you feel it didnt work for you. I can understand why people claim long term/high dose use causes desensitization. What I cant understand is the logic behind your claims that HCG shuts down natural test production, there is no scientific or clinical evidence to back this up.
 
It worked for awhile... Then ceased to work.
Testicular size would not have increased as it would if I haven't used it for awhile.
I am aware that this is not the 100% proof other than how I felt post cycle.
But seriously zyg, do you have any proof that using it on cycle means a speedier recovery post cycle. Or is this not the reason you want people to do it this way.
 
It worked for awhile... Then ceased to work.
Testicular size would not have increased as it would if I haven't used it for awhile.
I am aware that this is not the 100% proof other than how I felt post cycle.
But seriously zyg, do you have any proof that using it on cycle means a speedier recovery post cycle. Or is this not the reason you want people to do it this way.


You just stated it worked for a while. If thats a worse case scenario, then that alone means you are shut down for a shorter period of time which I think everyone will agree is a good thing.

Its commonly accepted that everyone recovers at varying speeds and empirical evidence suggest that the longer one is shut down the longer it takes to recover. Based on that empirical evidence keeping the testes stimulated during a cycle, even if only for part of it means that at worse case your shut down for a shorter duration.

I will admit that HCG use during a cycle is likely a lot more effective for lower dose cycles (ie 500mg/wk test) than it is for someone stacking everything but the kitchen sink because of the bodies other feedback mechanisms but thats not really what your original stance on HCG was. You were blaming HCG for shutting down your testes and thats simply not the case.

Once again, if you feel its not worth running while on a cycle thats fine but lets place blame for you being shut down where it actually belongs, and that is on the AAS, not the HCG.
 
I respectfully disagree. You're the smartest guy on the board now
And I always agree with you. This one time I cannot though.
It's was good chatting with you as always though bro.
 
I'm on my second day of HCGenerate and i'm feeling a lil more energy... I do believe you hit the nail in the nuts needto with it being a prolactin issue, Checked tracking and my forma will be in today. Planning on 5 pumps am and 5 pm & we'll see how things go from there! Thanks for all the help guys, I'll keep y'all updated
 
Hey bros,

As always, tons of top notch info here! Been away for a long time, work and life (wife!)
Anyways, this is a question to help out one of my bros....(and no really, its for a friend, not me! haha)
He finished a lengthy cycle of tren, test, deca, eq, and all without any PCT planned, at all!! (Completely against my advice the whole run)
I don't know how many times my advice was asked for, then kindly offered, and obviously NOT taken! Cycle was in large doses, and ran for about 5-6 months. I advised he get blood work pre and post, and still hasn't happened. He has been off now for about 1.5 - 2 months, NO PCT whatsoever!!!
In digging a bit deeper i have found out that he has been 'pretty much' off for that amount of time, but that there has been a couple times he has taken some test shots in an attempt to get back some drive etc.

To get to the point, he is totally SHUT down. He has no drive at all, major lethargy, no sex drive, feels super depressed, and is in some major regret now!

In reading these posts, it's looking like HCGenerate for sure. Then because of the Tren use, some Formastanzol too. Is that a safe bet, and good place to start?

I am trying to get him to get blood work done too....find out really where he's at.

Need to: He needs to know dosing schedule and products to order....Can you please send me some info at your next earliest convenience.....

Thanks huge in advance.... I know, it sounds like this guy kinda deserves this, but I just wanna help him out too ya know...

Cheers Bros!

R1...
 
A lot of us learned to respect PCT the hard way :)

If he can get labs, he'll likely see that his LH/FSH levels and T are low. Unless he can get the labwork done for free, at this point I don't even think it's necessary unless he suspects something else is wrong with him. If he's been shooting T here and there he's just taking 1 step forward (temporarily) and 2 steps back (because it will just keep him shut down).

Personally, I would always make sure to *include* a SERM like clomid for any PCT. Not sure about how to dose the other products though, can't help you there.

Hopefully your bro recovers ok!
 
hey Tical, thanks for the tips and comments bro.... yeah, i agree at this point that blood work is pointless, he knows he's shut down. As far as Clomid goes, i have some pretty decent exposure and experience using gear, and for me personally, never have used it to recover..... Nolvadex seemed to work for me, along with a sound HCG protocol.....but everyone's different.

Anyone else, please chime in with any HCGenerate info/experience..

Cheers!
R1
 
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