decided on my next cycle, input & thoughts welcome

[layinback]

i am doing this:

week 1-12 primobolan 600 ew

week 1-6 test prop 100 eod

week 1-18 hgh 4iu 5 days on 2 off


this is my biggest cycle to date. i have never exceeded 600 mg a week in the past. i have never done g. .h or p.r.i.m.o. i have always had great results with minimal dosages. i consulted a long term friend who trains champs and he said this is the cadillac cycle for lean mass. please critique or advise. i want some feed back from you guys..... many of you know more than i do about this subject.

 

[UncleSam]

dude please keep me posted. that is very similar to the cycle i have planned for the spring of next year. when do you plan on starting it? what are your beginning stats? I am very interested in G.H. as i have yet to use it. Send me a PM

 

[layinback]

dude please keep me posted. that is very similar to the cycle i have planned for the spring of next year. when do you plan on starting it? what are your beginning stats? I am very interested in G.H. as i have yet to use it. Send me a PM

you got it.

 

[holy ghost]

bro you outta run test e till 15 wks test p whats reasoning behind that

 

[makaveli25]

ya bro thats a lot of painful injections for 15 weeks.. whyn;t E

 

[layinback]

bro you outta run testosterone enanthate till 15 wks test p whats reasoning behind that

well, thats why i posted this! i wanna get feedback. i thought prop would give me quick strength with less bloat than E or cyp. is the only downside "painful injections" ? what are the benefits of runnin a long ester? theoretically, i wanted to stay away from this. help me ghost......

 

[Nelson Montana]

That'll work.

Though I don't get the appeal of prop, but that's just me.

Enjoy.

 

[holy ghost]

ok bro i will set you up i would run this
wk 1-8 anavar 50mg ed
wk 1-18 testosterone enanthate 500mg ew
wk 1-12 Primobolan - methenolone - 600mg ew
wk 1-18 human growth hormone - somatropin - 4iu 5 days on 2 off

if you can afford it
wk 12-18 proviron 50mg ed or Winstrol - stanozolol 50mg ed
that is a fuckin bitchin cycle bro

with the according diet you will become very lean, dry, striated, quick/ripped
let me know how it goes and what you end up running

 

[Powerbuilder333]

I'm not a trendy person, and Testt-P is a trendy choice.
Conventional wisdom dictates that you run Testt slightly longer than Primmo. I've never used Primmo, as I prefer a bigger bang for my buck like Decca, or EQQ.
I suggest Testt-E (or Omnaa) at roughly 500mg EW, regardless of your other choices - 1cc x 2 EW, loaded in the same rig as your other gear choice.
Good luck.

 

[layinback]

ok bro i will set you up i would run this
wk 1-8 anavar 50mg ed
wk 1-18 testosterone enanthate 500mg ew
wk 1-12 Primobolan - methenolone - 600mg ew
wk 1-18 human growth hormone - somatropin - 4iu 5 days on 2 off

if you can afford it
wk 12-18 proviron 50mg ed or Winstrol - stanozolol 50mg ed
that is a fuckin bitchin cycle bro

with the according diet you will become very lean, dry, striated, quick/ripped
let me know how it goes and what you end up running

ghost, i am 43 and from what i understand, this makes me a little more susceptible to gyno and other estrogenic sides. i was hoping to avoid this by using compounds that dont readily aromatise. as far as winstrol, i cant do it, that shit makes my hair fall out and it elevates my liver enzymes! i like the anavar idea but is that overkill by using it with primo? not to mention , i just finished a ten week run on anavar. you say skip the prop and run E at 500 ew. what are the advantages of this over prop? listen, i know you know more about this than i do, thats why i am asking, i just need your logic behind it.

 

[holy ghost]

shit bro then your going to have to stay away from proviron too.......
hell no i run anavar at least every other cycle if livers could take 2 orals at once i would run it with somethin else

Test p just bugs its great For quick strength i love suspension - ITS CHEAP and you can do an M W F injection along with your mon 250mg testosterone enanthate and friday 250mg testosterone enanthate injections, that shit gets you wicked strong but it does aromatise easily so be warned

try Turanabol i never had any gynecomastia with it and minimal water retention its hard when your old bro you cant run too mush shit.


imo RUN WHAT WORKS FOR YOU

 

[layinback]

I'm not a trendy person, and Testt-P is a trendy choice.
Conventional wisdom dictates that you run Testt slightly longer than Primmo. I've never used Primmo, as I prefer a bigger bang for my buck like Decca, or EQQ.
I suggest Testt-E (or Omnaa) at roughly 500mg EW, regardless of your other choices - 1cc x 2 EW, loaded in the same rig as your other gear choice.
Good luck.

tell me why i need to run 500 E. i am not disputing, i am just trying to hear the reason. i am looking for lean mass and striations. the test sounds counterproductive. if it will benefit me, i will do it. my friend who is helping me with my cycle is very knowledgeable and when i mentioned test he said not with primo! if you are anybody else could explain the benefit of runnin test with this cutting cycle i would appreciate it. i am open minded and certainly no expert in this area.

 

[holy ghost]

it sounds like you are holding a nice amount of bf % then

because at 11% im on 1500mg of testosterone enanthate ew i can see abs and upper chest and shoulder striations

DIET DIE DIET

shit bro clenbuterol is great for cutting and useful for preserving when taking in low kcal you ever researched it? rather cheap too you fucking shred fat 10 pounds in 14 days for me

 

[layinback]

it sounds like you are holding a nice amount of bf % then

because at 11% im on 1500mg of testosterone enanthate ew i can see abs and upper chest and shoulder striations

DIET DIE DIET

shit bro clenbuterol is great for cutting and useful for preserving when taking in low kcal you ever researched it? rather cheap too you fucking shred fat 10 pounds in 14 days for me

what do you mean?

 

[holy ghost]

Test dosnt make you fucking fat bro is what i mean lol everyone puts on a little fat in bulkers but not cutters becuase diets are completely different

diet is the arbiter if you bloat use an AI hence i recommened prov but you lose hair from dht so said no.

look into clen bro you get wicked striations and pumps and lean as hell

 

[layinback]

oh oh oh shit. i got it and no, i am single digit bf. i am naturally lean as fuck. i love clen, my wife has a bottle of 50 mcg tabs right now. i have ran it alone and with var and winnie in the past. that shit makes me skinny if i aint careful. i was planning on runnin the prop M W F. what if i ran test 250 instead of 500? and you never told me why i need to run the test.

 

[holy ghost]

cause 250 dosnt do shit a few cycles down the road trust me lol
hit those up one in morning one at night the aas will preserve muscle so your skinny will be LBM

 

[layinback]

cause 250 dosnt do shit a few cycles down the road trust me lol
hit those up one in morning one at night the anabolic androgenic steroids will preserve muscle so your skinny will be LBM

got it. last time i ran test i ran 500 mg ew. i havent ran 250 in 4 years, it probably wouldnt do shit for me now. thanks ghost, you are a knowledgeable dude.

 

[Powerbuilder333]

tell me why i need to run 500 E. i am not disputing, i am just trying to hear the reason. i am looking for lean mass and striations. the test sounds counterproductive. if it will benefit me, i will do it. my friend who is helping me with my cycle is very knowledgeable and when i mentioned test he said not with Primobolan - methenolone - ! if you are anybody else could explain the benefit of runnin test with this cutting cycle i would appreciate it. i am open minded and certainly no expert in this area.

Aside from the great gains you can get with Testt; Primmo will still shut down your natural testt production. Maybe not as much as Decca, but still some shut down will occur. So some testt is needed to counter balance this.
If you believe your gynoo sensitive then perhaps Testt-P is a better choice for you, as you can bail on the program faster than with Testt-E.
I'm 45 and have never had gynoo issues, so I don't think advancing age is a primary indicator of who'll get it.
If lean mass and striations is your primary objective you can't go wrong with Trenn, but again Testt will be needed to balance out your depleted natural production.
I'll repeat that I have never used Primoo, as it costs twice as much as Decca, with half the growth potential - or so I've read.
I have used Testt-E and Propp, and I consider Propp to be near useless compared to Testt-E (Don't hate propp fans, that's just my personal experience). Mg to mg Testt-E will always be a better deal.

 

[holy ghost]

Fuck you can run anything as long as you use HCG - human chorionic gonadotropin - intermittently to get your nuts and T production back up to par, thanks for the K bro. Appreciate the kind words, I design CYCLES for TONS of people over the years all effective might i add!!!

 

[layinback]

Aside from the great gains you can get with Testt; Primmo will still shut down your natural testt production. Maybe not as much as Decca, but still some shut down will occur. So some testt is needed to counter balance this.
If you believe your gynoo sensitive then perhaps Testt-P is a better choice for you, as you can bail on the program faster than with Testt-E.
I'm 45 and have never had gynoo issues, so I don't think advancing age is a primary indicator of who'll get it.
If lean mass and striations is your primary objective you can't go wrong with Trenn, but again Testt will be needed to balance out your depleted natural production.
I'll repeat that I have never used Primoo, as it costs twice as much as Decca, with half the growth potential - or so I've read.
I have used Testt-E and Propp, and I consider Propp to be near useless compared to Testt-E (Don't hate propp fans, that's just my personal experience). Mg to mg Testt-E will always be a better deal.

thanks powerbuilder. that makes sense. between you and ghost i am beginning to be swayed toward a test base. i would like some immediate strength....what would you suggest as far as a kick start for immediate strength. ( no dbol please, that stuff turns me into the Michelin man )

 

[holy ghost]

Tball, ahnavar, since your an old sack of bones and super gyno prone lol

 

[layinback]

Tball, ahnavar, since your an old sack of bones and super gynecomastia prone lol

maybe run it with some geritol and prune juice.

 

[holy ghost]

HONESTLY! ya old fart

 

[gslben]

ok bro i will set you up i would run this
wk 1-8 anavar 50mg ed
wk 1-18 testosterone enanthate 500mg ew
wk 1-12 Primobolan - methenolone - 600mg ew
wk 1-18 human growth hormone - somatropin - 4iu 5 days on 2 off

if you can afford it
wk 12-18 proviron 50mg ed or Winstrol - stanozolol 50mg ed
that is a fuckin bitchin cycle bro

with the according diet you will become very lean, dry, striated, quick/ripped
let me know how it goes and what you end up running

Mad fuckin $$ tho

 

[Acela]

thanks powerbuilder. that makes sense. between you and ghost i am beginning to be swayed toward a test base. i would like some immediate strength....what would you suggest as far as a kick start for immediate strength. ( no Dianabol - methandrostenolone - please, that stuff turns me into the Michelin man )

use the prop @ 100 mg EOD as your "jumpstart" and cruise with like testE @ 250 EW & primmmo @ 600 EW

and obviously prune juice on hand for those firm stool situations

 

[layinback]

use the testosterone propionate @ 100 mg EOD as your "jumpstart" and cruise with like testosterone enanthate @ 250 EW & primmmo @ 600 EW

and obviously prune juice on hand for those firm stool situations

ace, thats what i was thinking. i dont want to do 500 mg ew. 250 ew with 600 primo is plenty for me.

LOL@ the firm stool situation!

 

[holy ghost]

well if that is the case than run it boy!
when you plannin onstarting broski

 

[needtogetaas]

run primo 14 weeks

 

[holy ghost]

yeah send me a 14 weeker of primo ill trade you 40cc of test e =]

 

[layinback]

well if that is the case than run it boy!
when you plannin onstarting broski

3 more weeks of clomid and i am off to the races. this cycle will take me to the next level. dude, i am happier than a sissy in boys town!!!

 

[layinback]

run Primobolan - methenolone - 14 weeks

thats what i keep hearing! i wanna DO IT RIGHT.

 

[needtogetaas]

thats what i keep hearing! i wanna DO IT RIGHT.

and lots of people run primo only cycles bro..nothing wrong with them at all..
you can run dermacrin with primo for sex drive to.

 

[layinback]

and lots of people run Primobolan - methenolone - only cycles bro..nothing wrong with them at all..
you can run dermacrin with Primobolan - methenolone - for sex drive to.

that is an idea. i am loathed at the thought of adulterating such a fine line up of surgical drugs with a sledge hammer like test. lol

 

[holy ghost]

mmmmmmm

test
dont know what id be without it. =0

 

[layinback]

mmmmmmm

test
dont know what id be without it. =0

ghost, i agree. it was the base of my first 4 cycles. when i started back training 11 years ago i weighed 170lb! i trained natural for 4 years and plateaued at 202. each cycle of test took me, and kept me at a higher weight. i have cut and bulked on test. i fully understand it is all diet. i am going to run 250-375 week with the primo and i still wanna kick start it with prop. as far as pain, i could give a fuck. look at my pics, i have been shot twice stabbed numerous times and i was a tough man contest champ 3 years in a row, i welcome pain. lol

 

[holy ghost]

haha bro your 43 you dress like a young adult still thats cool ll

show me some pics im not plat foolio photbucket them

you look young is what i mean im not trying to be an ass hole ha

 

[layinback]

haha bro your 43 you dress like a young adult still thats cool ll

show me some pics im not plat foolio photbucket them

this aint the fuckin 50's, 43 is not old. my 16 and 17 year old sons girlfriends all have crushes on me. women 18 to 80 fall at my feet. look at sexiest man alive issue of people, every year it is a 40+ guy. every fucking year. i am married but i bet a thousand bucks to a bucket of shit i could pull more ass in 1 year than 99.99% of guys half my age could pull in 10 years + i can kick ANY three guys half my age ass in less than a minute, not joking. i dont do big cycles and i am no juice guru but i am the real deal in other areas. i will try to photobucket but i am computer retarded.

 

[layinback]

ok, i am adding a little test to the regimen proly in the neighborhood of 250 to 375 mg ew and i am extending the cycle to 14 weeks.