Deca and Cypionate stack

[hank2022]

hey guys
just started my first cycle with 400 mg deca per week along with 500mg of cyp
but for some reason i just ran 300mg deca on its own 3 days ago and plan on taking 500mg cyp. with 150 mg deca today later on.
how long should i run this cycle
i already have nolvadex and clomid handy for post cycle.

i weigh 160lbs and 22 year old.

if someone can sort stuff out for me it would be a great help..liek how long shud i run it for a decent gain. and how much calorie intake should i target?

thanks

 

[sonicwaste]

You already started the cycle, but don't know what to do? It's best to have your ducks in a row before you begin a cycle, especially if it is your first.

No one can make these decisions for you. I can't tell you how long to run your cycle because I don't know what you are expecting. How come you want only decent gains?

But since you've already started, you need to know what's going on.

The Deca is going to take some time to effectively kick in, takes time for optimal blood levels to be achieved. 4-5 weeks or so.

The time for test cypionate is shorter. You'll start to notice it in roughly 2 weeks.

Since you are running longer esters, it is typically advisable to run a minimum of 12 weeks or so.

running for 12 weeks gives you adequate time to achieve stable levels of the AAS in your blood. Gives you an 8-10 week window where you have both compounds at full swing.

I would run the deca weeks 1-12, testosterone cyp weeks 1-14... Then start your PCT 10-14 days after your last shot of cyp. I say drop the deca sooner than the test, so that by the time you drop the test, deca is almost fully on its way out. This allows you to not have just the Deca in your system which can lead to sexual disfunction. This also allows for the Deca to totally clear your system before you begin the nolvadex. 19-nor AAS such as Deca can have negative interactions with nolvadex, so considering this is your first time, I would play it safe and make sure Deca is out of your system before you begin the nolvadex.

Eat well and train hard. At your weight 4000-5000 calories is a good starting point. Your diet and training will create the gains.

 

[usmcnut]

You already started the cycle, but don't know what to do? It's best to have your ducks in a row before you begin a cycle, especially if it is your first.

No one can make these decisions for you. I can't tell you how long to run your cycle because I don't know what you are expecting. How come you want only decent gains?

But since you've already started, you need to know what's going on.

The Deca is going to take some time to effectively kick in, takes time for optimal blood levels to be achieved. 4-5 weeks or so.

The time for test cypionate is shorter. You'll start to notice it in roughly 2 weeks.

Since you are running longer esters, it is typically advisable to run a minimum of 12 weeks or so.

running for 12 weeks gives you adequate time to achieve stable levels of the AAS in your blood. Gives you an 8-10 week window where you have both compounds at full swing.

I would run the deca weeks 1-12, testosterone cyp weeks 1-14... Then start your PCT 10-14 days after your last shot of cyp. I say drop the deca sooner than the test, so that by the time you drop the test, deca is almost fully on its way out. This allows you to not have just the Deca in your system which can lead to sexual disfunction. This also allows for the Deca to totally clear your system before you begin the nolvadex. 19-nor AAS such as Deca can have negative interactions with nolvadex, so considering this is your first time, I would play it safe and make sure Deca is out of your system before you begin the nolvadex.

Eat well and train hard. At your weight 4000-5000 calories is a good starting point. Your diet and training will create the gains.

He nailed it bro!!! Everything he said I second that!!

 

[Para_Shoot]

Your starting out with the standard peanut butter and jelly of cycles. It will work, and it will work well for you. Next cycle try some test prop, tren acetate and EQ. I equate it to getting your first hot rod with a big block stock V8. Your going to run it and run it hard. Your next cycle will be that same V8 but rebuilt with high performance parts and chromed out all over.

 

[informer112]

Good cycle, I recommend running it for 10-12 weeks if you want the most insane muscle gains.

 

[hank2022]

wow great advice
thanks a lot guys
i am not sure if there will be a second cycle for me...i just wanted it to be a one time thing lol
but who knows...people do get power thirsty

 

[sweed]

how old are you and how long have you been training?
height, bf%, and diet: please post up that.

 

[elmarcouk]

wow great advice
thanks a lot guys
i am not sure if there will be a second cycle for me...i just wanted it to be a one time thing lol
but who knows...people do get power thirsty

Pretty sure everyone who has ever done steroids has said that! lol!

 

[Dial_tone]

Too much gear for a first cycle and at 160lbs unless you're 5'2" you didn't train very hard naturally either. Expect a lot of weight but not much in the way of lean muscle tissue.

 

[informer112]

Pretty sure everyone who has ever done steroids has said that! lol!

Yeah exactly.

 

[informer112]

Too much gear for a first cycle and at 160lbs unless you're 5'2" you didn't train very hard naturally either. Expect a lot of weight but not much in the way of lean muscle tissue.

I disagree. I didn't train naturally hard at all before I started deca wayy back as my first cycle and still gained great muscle...in 10 weeks I actually went up in 25 pounds since I ate a lot and worked out every day.

 

[sweed]

I disagree. I didn't train naturally hard at all before I started deca wayy back as my first cycle and still gained great muscle...in 10 weeks I actually went up in 25 pounds since I ate a lot and worked out every day.

of course you will gain a lot if you never training hard at all. But natural muscle will tend to last a heck of a lot longer than muscle grown with AS. That is why we insist people (at least I like to) to training as long as possible naturally. I training naturally 10 years, and a lot of guys on here have training 10+- 20 yers before doing a cycle. The longer the better.

 

[hank2022]

alright now i have info that i needed from the experts of the fields.
one thing i forgot to ask and no one mentioned is that how much quantity should i run on these
and when its time to taper it off how low do i go.

 

[doublebicep]

Tapering off AAS is no longer a practice followed. You simply time your PCT correctly.

You questions indicate a fundamental lack of knowledge of AAS usage that you should have had long before your current cycle.

So dosage, it would seem you are not ready for AAS so talking about dosage is premature. Since you have started and will most likely continue your current cycle, read sonicwaste's response and learn more about gyno and PCT. Start with all the stickys on this forum.

Bottomline, I suggest you do a lot more homework. ER is a great place to learn.