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Deadlifts: Gaining strength on them

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just wondered what you all think the best method to increase your deadlift is.

is it deadlift once per week?

if so what kind of method?

mine never seems to go up and i always do it once a week.

sadly, in high school my powerclean was higher than my DL because they wouldn't let us deadlift. now i have a very weak back.

training with omega now, i just want to know your thoughts on the deadlift and the best way to gain strength on it.
 
I DL 2x/week. One is max effort, one is dynamic effort. Plus I do a lot of hypers, reverse hypers, glute ham raises, and good mornings. My DL has always moved up. Sometimes in very small increments, but always up.

B-
 
+1 on bblazer's formula.

The one thing I'm careful of if I'm looking to increase max is to make sure I go relatively heavy on my heavy set. I used to try to start moderate and build toward a peak but I found it didn't work very well for me. If I don't get a couple pulls in the 90% range somewhat regularly then I've taken myself out of the picture.
 
I was pulling just once a week, 4 sets of 6 then every so ofter pull some trips, singles, etc. Starting to stall out recently though as i am getting up there in the weights. Just need more food in my case i would imagine. Keep things simple, if you are growing then keep doing it. When you try to start doing complicated shit is when you run into problems.
 
yeah. too heavy now to do the squats and milk theory though.
once im cut and down bf% i will def take down a gallon of whole milk a day.
 
i like to use 25's across the bar so when i pull from the floor it is harder to get it off the ground, and when i switch to 45's it gets off the floor easier and i have more energy left for the upper portion of the lift... and rack pulls to keep me strong on that end
but i always get at least one session of standard pulls, and save the extra work as extra work...
 
i like to use 25's across the bar so when i pull from the floor it is harder to get it off the ground, and when i switch to 45's it gets off the floor easier and i have more energy left for the upper portion of the lift... and rack pulls to keep me strong on that end
but i always get at least one session of standard pulls, and save the extra work as extra work...

Instead of all that work of loading the 25s then deloading them for 45s why not stand on a riser like the top of an aerobic step?

That's what I do.

B-
 
Ripptoe says a gallon of milk a day is the best steroid out there!

B-


lol, speaking of Ripptoe. He talks about using rack pulls and halting deadlifts in SS 2nd edition. This is probably most useful if you can figure out which part you are most weak at (initial pull or lockout).

My deadlift has been stuck for a while now and i've just got it back on the upswing using the Texas Method of (VRI).
 
lol, speaking of Ripptoe. He talks about using rack pulls and halting deadlifts in SS 2nd edition. This is probably most useful if you can figure out which part you are most weak at (initial pull or lockout).

My deadlift has been stuck for a while now and i've just got it back on the upswing using the Texas Method of (VRI).

lol what happens if your not weaker in either your problem is you cant keep your back flat :confused:
 
starting strength really needs to be an addition to my collection. going to pick it up soon.
 
lol what happens if your not weaker in either your problem is you cant keep your back flat :confused:

Have you read Starting Strength? I highly recommend it. If you can't keep your back flat on those deads, i'm betting that you are tucking that lower back on the squats too (ie not keeping the lumbar extension)

This is important. If you don't know, try to look in the mirror or have someone take a picture of you. You might notice that you have that nice lumbar extension until right when you hit parallel and it goes to shit and curves.
 
Have you read Starting Strength? I highly recommend it. If you can't keep your back flat on those deads, i'm betting that you are tucking that lower back on the squats too (ie not keeping the lumbar extension)

This is important. If you don't know, try to look in the mirror or have someone take a picture of you. You might notice that you have that nice lumbar extension until right when you hit parallel and it goes to shit and curves.

i dont know if you say the DL video I put on my journal but that was 105kg x 5, it was easy had no problem pulling it, everyoen said it was great form and I kept my back flat, thing is it seems whenever I go above that after a rep or two my back just rounds and i cant keep it flat, I tryed 110kg x 5 the other day got 1 rep fine but from then on back just got more and more rounded and I couldnt keep it flat throughout the lift. This is the only thing that stops me deads progressing, other than that I have no problem pulling the weight from the floor.
 
lol what happens if your not weaker in either your problem is you cant keep your back flat :confused:

That could be from anything

1) Too much weight on the bar
2) Hip drive is too fast
3) Bar not dragging on your shins
4) Hips to high at start
5) Not enough air in your lungs (you should be so full up that you feel compressed when you grab the bar)

B-
 
That could be from anything

1) Too much weight on the bar
2) Hip drive is too fast
3) Bar not dragging on your shins
4) Hips to high at start
5) Not enough air in your lungs (you should be so full up that you feel compressed when you grab the bar)

B-

Ah ok so what your saying is that problem is probably technique? Well yes I have noticed my ass is pretty high all the way through, Ill try to sit back more. I didnt know you should have that much air in your lungs either, Ill start doing that too.

I dont think its too much weight as I can pull the weight pretty easy its just form that holds me back, it seems to be when I go above 230lbs it just gets worse and worse.

Heres a video of a 231lb deadlift I did a while ago, this is the form I always try to use, is this what you wuold call good or are can you see any problems?

http://s184.photobucket.com/albums/x50/racing_nut/?action=view&current=MOV00378.flv
 
Ah ok so what your saying is that problem is probably technique? Well yes I have noticed my ass is pretty high all the way through, Ill try to sit back more. I didnt know you should have that much air in your lungs either, Ill start doing that too.

I dont think its too much weight as I can pull the weight pretty easy its just form that holds me back, it seems to be when I go above 230lbs it just gets worse and worse.

Heres a video of a 231lb deadlift I did a while ago, this is the form I always try to use, is this what you wuold call good or are can you see any problems?

MOV00378.flv video by racing_nut - Photobucket

Your hips are too high.

Also, think "Dumb Blond." Chin high, tits out, ass out.

Don't be afraid to leave some DNA on the bar from scraping the skin off your shins either.

And the closer you get to your max, it is totally natural for your form to go to shit. That is a classic sign.

B-
 
very weak. i can get up 225x10. never tested a one rep. 365 was what i could do for one 2-3 years ago.
my back has always been my weakest part though
 
Instead of all that work of loading the 25s then deloading them for 45s why not stand on a riser like the top of an aerobic step?

That's what I do.

B-

your way works better if youre doing both styles of lifts, but if i do them with the 25's across the bar i usualy just do them that way for the day... i would be scared to lift off an aerobic step ...it just seems like it would be awkward..
the last gym i went to (before i got 86'd for chalk use...)...had a nice sldl stand that let you lower the weight low as possible... i miss being able to use that... only bad thing about it is if you miss a rep you could break a toe...
 
very weak. i can get up 225x10. never tested a one rep. 365 was what i could do for one 2-3 years ago.
my back has always been my weakest part though

10 reps ain't that bad! I can see what your problem is now, you need to work with lower rep ranges to strengthen that up, why don't you add up a heavy (5x5 ramp-up), light(4x5) and medium(3x5 ,2x3) day Bill Starr way to your training? Since you are doing Omega's send him a pm and arrange the best way to incorporate it to the current program.

I like the way Bblazer works it and also Moya's suggestion but I think at this point you need something more linear and less elaborated, you are like 21 right? Still far from fully benefiting from the conjugate method.
 
That could be from anything

1) Too much weight on the bar
2) Hip drive is too fast
3) Bar not dragging on your shins
4) Hips to high at start
5) Not enough air in your lungs (you should be so full up that you feel compressed when you grab the bar)

B-

That is great! You just need to add nose up! Keeping the nose (head) up forces the hips to move forward and the back to remain straight.
 
Hello there. I am also DL 2 times per week, 5x5 and it always goes up and give me a very confident boost. My question is, i am using both hands facing down grip and not alternate. I believe alternate grip is helping to lift more instead of both hands down. What do you think?
 
Hello there. I am also DL 2 times per week, 5x5 and it always goes up and give me a very confident boost. My question is, i am using both hands facing down grip and not alternate. I believe alternate grip is helping to lift more instead of both hands down. What do you think?

Yes mixed grip allows to lift more weight, but you also get on a higher risk of fucking up a bicep, IMO work with a normal grip for as long as you can, then later decide if you really need to mix it up.
 
Yes mixed grip allows to lift more weight, but you also get on a higher risk of fucking up a bicep, IMO work with a normal grip for as long as you can, then later decide if you really need to mix it up.

Is it the underhand grip that puts pressure on a bicep? And if so does that mean using a double underhand grip is even worse? Iv seen PL'ers do this before...
 
Is it the underhand grip that puts pressure on a bicep? And if so does that mean using a double underhand grip is even worse? Iv seen PL'ers do this before...
I usually use a mixed grip when I do deadlifts, with no problems. I think the "normal" grip SaiBoT is referring to is an overhand grip (palms above the bar).
 
I believe i will continue the normal grip that means both palms facing down to give me clear results. I am on 105kgs now 5x5 and i am working myself up.
 
Yes mixed grip allows to lift more weight, but you also get on a higher risk of fucking up a bicep, IMO work with a normal grip for as long as you can, then later decide if you really need to mix it up.

Exactly, don't let your weak grip determine how much you can deadlift.

Use regular grip for as many sets as you can but your top set use mixed. You should be able to hold at least 100 more pounds with mixed grip and chalk than regular grip.

The goal of the deadlift is to lift heavy weight and make your body adapt (grow) to the heavy load. Even with mixed grip your forearms and bies are still getting worked. And the more load you put on them the more they will grow.
 
i dont know if you say the DL video I put on my journal but that was 105kg x 5, it was easy had no problem pulling it, everyoen said it was great form and I kept my back flat, thing is it seems whenever I go above that after a rep or two my back just rounds and i cant keep it flat, I tryed 110kg x 5 the other day got 1 rep fine but from then on back just got more and more rounded and I couldnt keep it flat throughout the lift. This is the only thing that stops me deads progressing, other than that I have no problem pulling the weight from the floor.

Your form is off, the bar is too far out in front of you. It should be in contact with your shins & legs through the entire pull. You are supposed to be pulling up and back, as soon as that weight gets in front of you it throws everything off.
 
just wondered what you all think the best method to increase your deadlift is.

is it deadlift once per week?

if so what kind of method?

mine never seems to go up and i always do it once a week.

sadly, in high school my powerclean was higher than my DL because they wouldn't let us deadlift. now i have a very weak back.

training with omega now, i just want to know your thoughts on the deadlift and the best way to gain strength on it.

It is hard to determine why you have stalled on the deadlift without seeing the rest of your program. You could be over training, or maybe other parts of your body are fatigued too much for the deadlift. There may be many factors such as the weight and reps for the lift etc.

Without seeing the rest of the work you are doing it's hard to tell.

But I know Omega asks his clients not to share his W/O's with anyone so the only thing you can really do is ask him and trust that he has the knowledge to get your Deadlift moving again.
 
just wondered what you all think the best method to increase your deadlift is.

is it deadlift once per week?

if so what kind of method?

mine never seems to go up and i always do it once a week.

sadly, in high school my powerclean was higher than my DL because they wouldn't let us deadlift. now i have a very weak back.

training with omega now, i just want to know your thoughts on the deadlift and the best way to gain strength on it.

Ive always been told by other trainers( totally jacked dudes) and alot of other online reading, that you can do heavy EOW but never everyweek cause you will be drained.

it works for me. I started @ 185 and after 4 weeks I was @ 350! but I truely feel not going over 350 in any exercise. I need to save my joints.(not the ones you smoke;)
 
Ive always been told by other trainers( totally jacked dudes) and alot of other online reading, that you can do heavy EOW but never everyweek cause you will be drained.

it works for me. I started @ 185 and after 4 weeks I was @ 350! but I truely feel not going over 350 in any exercise. I need to save my joints.(not the ones you smoke;)

Those "trainers" are wrong. With proper training you don't have to wait every other week to train heavy. Proper training involves enough recovery to train heavy and make progress every week. And has planned "deload" when you get to the point where a little extra recovery is needed.

Also, if you have proper form your joints shouldn't hurt. Why is 350 a magic number for you to stop your deadlift at?
 
Ive always been told by other trainers( totally jacked dudes) and alot of other online reading, that you can do heavy EOW but never everyweek cause you will be drained.

it works for me. I started @ 185 and after 4 weeks I was @ 350! but I truely feel not going over 350 in any exercise. I need to save my joints.(not the ones you smoke;)

I'm not sure I understand this at all.

1) A nearly 200% gain in 4 lifting sessions half of which were not heavy

2) Why do you think a 350 lb ceiling is going to save your joints?

I DL 2x/week as does the westside group and a lot of other PLers. 1 is an ME day the other is a DE day. Both are heavy. Louis Simmions has been doing it this way for a few decades, and he's still walking without a limp and is an 800 lb DLer.

I think we have a case of some "bro-ology" being passed to you my friend. Not trying to be disrespectful at all, but it sounds like you got some bad info.

But what do I know - certainly not everything.

B-
 
Your form is off, the bar is too far out in front of you. It should be in contact with your shins & legs through the entire pull. You are supposed to be pulling up and back, as soon as that weight gets in front of you it throws everything off.

ok thankyou, bblazer also suggested I wasnt sitting back enough, Ill try both of these things.
 
I don't even think it is that. Sounds more like Men's Health vs reality.

B-

Don't be mean guys, he is just doing it on the safe side. 350lbs might be a number he feels comfortable and stimulated at the same time, by doing it EOW further enhances my theory.

Still "men's health vs reality" cracks me up!
 
Don't be mean guys, he is just doing it on the safe side. 350lbs might be a number he feels comfortable and stimulated at the same time, by doing it EOW further enhances my theory.

Still "men's health vs reality" cracks me up!

Not meant to be mean at all, and if the OP sees it that way, I sincerely apologize.

My Men's Health crack was aimed at the DL advice, not the 350 ceiling.

B-
 
Was in gym yesterday, and I saw the worst deadlift instrution in history:

(1) arms were bent at 20 degrees
(2) feet not next to bar
(3) back totally rounded
(4) shoulders over bar not shoulder blades
(5) hips so low it was like a rounded, hunched squat
 
Was in gym yesterday, and I saw the worst deadlift instrution in history:

(1) arms were bent at 20 degrees
(2) feet not next to bar
(3) back totally rounded
(4) shoulders over bar not shoulder blades
(5) hips so low it was like a rounded, hunched squat

I discovered this flaw in myself doing rack pulls on Sunday. They weren't 20 degrees but i knew it was dead wrong. Luckily i was in a rack facing a mirror so i could see. This is a BAD habit. Its going to be tough to break.
 
I discovered this flaw in myself doing rack pulls on Sunday. They weren't 20 degrees but i knew it was dead wrong. Luckily i was in a rack facing a mirror so i could see. This is a BAD habit. Its going to be tough to break.

Mark Rippetoe on bending the arms in the deadlift:

Bent elbows just absolutely suck

Thanks to bblazer's Rippetoe wiki page I can find useful Rippetoe quotes for almost all situations. Yeah!
 
Ahhh we have a classic running here, PL vs BB :Popcorn:
Look Strong, Be Strong
by Bill Starr

This is not, by any stretch of the imagination, an original concept on my part. Bob Hoffman, Peary Rader, Bill Pearl and John Grimek preached the basic idea for many years. They firmly believed that when people add muscle to their frame, they should also enhance their strength. To have huge arms and a massive chest but be weaker than the average man on the street was a shame. And it still is.

I bring up the subject now because there seems to be a trend in weight training that emphasizes size without the corresponding increase in strength. Whenever I go out of town, I visit new gyms. I enjoy checking out the different types of equipment, the layouts and, mostly, the way the members train. Over the past 10 years I’ve rarely seen anyone train heavy or hard. The workouts are so easy a teenage girl could do them without sweating. I do, however, see some big boys strutting around the gyms wearing tank tops and those ugly baggy pants. Usually, they have straps dangling from their wrists indicating that they’re about to lift some weight that’s much too heavy for them to hold without assistance.

I keep a watchful eye on them, for I enjoy seeing feats of strength. I soon learn that they never move anything heavy, and the straps are merely part of the costume. If they do happen to use them at all it’s to strap themselves to the lat machine or the chinning bar. Once I did see a monster of a human do shrugs. He weighed more than 250 and had arms the size of Delaware, but all he used was 225. Nevertheless, he screamed loudly on each rep, causing everyone in the gym to stop what he or she was doing and watch him – which was his intent.

Those pumped-up specimens sincerely believe that they’re admired by the rest of the members and looked upon as supermen by the general public. Wrong. They’re considered freaks – and not good freaks at that. Since they’re not strong and don’t use their muscles for any reason other than to gratify their own egos they’re no more than physical abominations – facades fakes – for muscles equal strength, and if a person doesn’t have sufficient strength to back up those showy muscles, he’s a joke.

The practice of building huge muscles merely for the sake of having huge muscles is more prevalent now than it used to be. Most people who started lifting weights in the ‘50s and ‘60s did so to gain size and strength. It helped them improve their sport of prompted them to display their new physiques on a posing platform. Still, they never sacrificed their health or allowed strength to waver in that quest. Today those considerations take a back seat. In fact, young bodybuilders are more than ready to sacrifice their health to add inches to some bodypart.

There are several reasons for the change in attitude over the past few decades. One is equipment. Before the machine explosion in the ‘70s, those who trained with weights didn’t have much of a choice of equipment. There were power racks, squat racks, flat benches and sometimes an incline bench, plus some barbells and dumbbells. Some gyms might have a lat machine or calf machine, but that was about it. So when people wanted to gain some size or put inches on their arms, chest or legs, the used what was available, which meant they worked with the barbells and dumbbells. Moving the free weights allowed them to work on their attachments much more easily than using the machines, so in the process of getting bigger they automatically got stronger.

That’s no longer the case. Now young men as large as the Hulk spend their entire workouts using a variety of machines. Rarely do I see anyone doing heavy pulling movements off the floor, and the squat rack is almost always used for seated presses or curls, but they’re standing in line to use the pulleys, leg presses and other machines. And when those huge men do use the various machines, they still don’t work them hard, and it’s the same thing with free-weight movements. I’ve watched monsters lie down on the bench and only be able to handle 315 for a few assisted reps. From their size and appearance one would assume they’d be using 405 easily.

The modern propensity for choosing machines rather than free weights has been brought about to a large extent by gym owners and personal trainers. Gym owners don’t like members who lift heavy. They stay in the facility much too long and tie up many of the weights. In addition – and even more alarming – is the fact that they just might influence other members to do the same. They prefer that everyone run through a quick circuit on some machines and get the hell out.

A similar philosophy holds true for many personal trainers, although for slightly different reasons in most cases. Trainers also want to hustle their clients through their workouts rapidly, for time equals money. In addition, one of the main reasons that personal trainers seldom include any heavy strength movements in their routines is that they don’t know how to teach the exercises. Show me a personal trainer who can teach power cleans, power snatches, high pulls or even deadlifts, and you’ll show me a rare exception. They use light weights and token exercises, as their real motive is to avoid injuring their clients or even getting them sore. Getting stronger seldom enters into the picture.

The situation has gotten so strange that in most gyms people can’t do any strength work even if they want to. Fitness facilities are slowly removing stations where you can do heavy pulls and leg work. A few months ago Jim Moser came from Maui for a visit. He owns several gyms on the island and was at one time a nationally ranked Olympic lifter. He wanted a place to train and to train his son Mistake, and he asked me where he should go. I shook my head, saying “There’s not a place in the country where you can do overhead lifts or pull off the floor.”
That’s the case not only where I live but almost everywhere. My athletes go home for the summer or on holidays and seek out places to train. My program revolves around the big three, which means they squat and do some form of heavy pulling, usually power cleans. They all come back with the same story. The local gym doesn’t have a place in which to do power cleans and in many cases there isn’t even a squat rack available. The topper was that one football player told me the gym owner came running out of his office, screaming at him for doing overhead presses. It was too dangerous, the owner said, and not allowed. Now, that’s really bordering on the insane.

Another reason that the modern crop of young men shuns all forms of heavy strength work is that those who are at the top no longer set an example. When I became interested in strength training the bodybuilders I trained with were of a different breed. If they looked strong you could bet the ranch that they were strong. In 1958 I trained with Vern Weaver, John Grimek and Steve Stanko at the old York Gym on Broad Street. Grimek and Stanko had already won the Mr. America title, and Vern would win it a few years later. I watched them work out for almost two hours, and all they did was heavy strength work – heavy pulls, squats and presses – no curls or triceps pushdowns.

Later, when I worked at York, I often got to train with some of the top bodybuilders in the East. When Val Vasileff and Bill St. John showed up we all knew we were in for a spirited session, for they’d challenge us on every strength exercise. No one wanted to squat with St. John because he could use 500 for full reps, and Val was exceptionally strong on all the shoulder exercises. The same held true for Bob Gajda and Sergio Oliva. I got to train with them when I was in graduate school in Chicago. They not only crushed me on the primary strength movements like squats and high pulls, but they often humbled me on the quick lifts as well.
You may be wondering – why in the hell would bodybuilders of that caliber be doing such involved lifts as snatches and clean and jerks? That’s a good question, for it leads to my next point. Before Joe Weider took over control o bodybuilding in this country it was run by the AAU. Part of the scoring system for the big contests such as the Mr. America or Mr. USA had to do with athletic points. A competitor could gain the necessary athletic points by participating in any sport – martial arts, for example – but in fact very few had extra time for anything other that training at that lever. Since they were doing many of the same exercises as the Olympic lifters anyway, they just won their athletic points by competing in the weightlifting contests.

The practice served a dual purpose. The heavy lifting helped them build more massive physiques and also allowed them to display their muscles in front of the judges. What’s more, their muscles were being used, which helped to highlight them even more. In those days the people who judged the weightlifting competitions also served up the verdicts at the physique shows.

I admit that the idea of athletic points was rather ridiculous, but when Joe got rid of them, he threw out the baby with the bathwater. Bodybuilders gradually stopped doing the quick lifts and heavy overhead presses, and most stopped training with heavy weights altogether. During the ‘70s bodybuilders did have the influence of Arnold Schwarzenegger, Franco Columbu, Ken Waller and Dave Draper, but after that the idea of doing heavy barbell work practically disappeared.

Once muscle-enhancing drugs, both legal and illegal, became readily available to the average bodybuilder he no longer had to be as concerned with training diligently or systematically, or bother with moving heavy weights. Any routine worked better just as long as he took enough of the right stuff or combinations of the right stuff. That mindset would allow a 250-pound man to use only 225 pounds on his basic exercises and still pack on muscle. So what if he was really weaker than some of the female lightweights at the gym? He looked huge and that was all that seemed to matter.

I’m often asked if I believe that people can develop a better physique without doing any heavy strength work. I do, but I don’t believe they will develop true quality by using strictly machines, lifting light weights or doing a program that revolves mainly around drug cycles without including some heavy, hard training. If all you seek are some muscles so you look better at the beach, then my message has no meaning for you. I’ve always believed, however, that if people possess a muscular physique, they should be able to back it up. To me, having muscles without strength is like having a magnificent-looking car that’s loaded with chrome and tops out at 60 mph.

It should be noted that you don’t have to do strength training year-round in order to achieve the benefits. Those top bodybuilders I mentioned earlier didn’t do heavy weight work for 12 months. They cycled it into their training year. After three or four months of pure strength work they switched to a totally different routine that featured higher reps, faster sets and lighter weights in order to refine and define the muscle produced during the strength phase.
Most beginners don’t fully understand that unless they do some form of strength work, they aren’t going to form the foundation from which they can eventually build the arms, chest and legs they desire. It’s just not possible to do on just machines using light weights. I wish it were. It’s much easier to sit down on a machine and knock out some reps than it is to struggle and sweat through a heavy squat workout, but the simple truth is THERE ARE NO SHORTCUTS. You get out of training only what you put into it. In other words, if you want strong legs, you have to squat and sweat. Period.

The same idea holds for developing a thick, awesome back. A bodybuilder recently approached me and asked what exercises he could do for his back. He needed something bad, for he was as flat as an old woman. “What are you doing now?” I asked. “I’m doing lat pulls on the machine, bentover rows with a dumbbell and pulls on that machine where you lie on your belly and pull the bar to your chest,” he said.

“My female athletes do a harder program than that,” I replied, laughing. “If you’re really interested in getting some quality muscle on your back start doing heavy high pulls off the floor, deadlifts, bentover rows with a barbell and some shrugs. Then, if you have any energy left, and you shouldn’t, you can do extra things on the machines and pulleys. Those exercises are useful, but only as auxiliary exercises. To build powerful back muscles you have to hammer them with heavy weights. Strong muscles look good!”

I never saw him again.

That, I think, is really the bottom line. Most people who train are basically lazy. Deep down they understand the reasoning behind doing heavy weight work but they find a million and one excuses for not doing it. At the same time, most don’t mind doing four or five heavy movements for their upper bodies. They’ll gladly do bench presses, inclines and then countless sets of flyes, declines and seated presses, all in the same session. Ask them to do a similar routine for their legs or back and they cringe. Why? Upper-body exercises are easier to do than heavy leg and back work. The problem is, most people who have overdeveloped their upper body and allowed their legs to suffer are not admired or considered strong, except by their training mates who follow the same stupid routine. Then again, some people don’t mine being laughingstocks, as long as someone notices them.

Often, when I suggest to people that they should include some strength work in their routine, they counter that the exercises I suggest are dangerous. That notion came about due to the influence of our old friends, gym owners and personal trainers. The truth of the matter is that deadlifts, full squats, good mornings, high pulls, snatches, cleans, shrugs, overhead presses, jerks, etc., etc., are perfectly safe if they’re learned correctly. And there’s the rub.

The irony is that the most potentially dangerous exercise of all is the bench press, but no on – and I mean no one – eliminates that movement from his or her program. In the 10 years I’ve been at Hopkins only one athlete out of the 200 I train each year hurt himself squatting, and that was due to pure stupidity on his part. During the same period I’ve had dozens of athletes hurt their shoulders or pecs doing benches – always due to some bad habit they picked up in high school. Bad habits are hard to break. My point is that any exercise can be dangerous if you use faulty form, but if you do it properly, it’s safe – and that includes all the large-muscle movements like deadlifts and squats.

It’s important that everyone who uses any form of resistance training include some strength exercises in his or her routine. Strength is an underlying factor in all physical activities. Before infants can take their first step they must have the necessary strength. Before you can dream of putting 200 pounds over your head, you must first learn how to handle 100 pounds. Strength is, rather obviously, the cornerstone of any athletic activity, but it’s also the basis for gaining muscle size. You’ll never climb higher in any physical endeavor than your strength foundation lets you.

Some people like to specialize on strength work for several months out of the year while others find it more agreeable to do it throughout the year, using perhaps one heavy movement for a certain bodypart for a time, then switching to another for the sake of variety. It’s been my experience that once people do some strength work they really enjoy it. That’s because they can feel and see the results of their efforts in the gym – and they also know that when they look as if they lift weights, they can back up the image with pure strength.
That sums up my view of that debate.
 
That sums up my view of that debate.

Yes, yes and yes! Bill Starr is among my top strength coaches of all times! I like that part
"To have huge arms and a massive chest but be weaker than the average man on the street was a shame. And it still is." this is even more valid nowadays than in the past!
 
Yes, yes and yes! Bill Starr is among my top strength coaches of all times! I like that part
"To have huge arms and a massive chest but be weaker than the average man on the street was a shame. And it still is." this is even more valid nowadays than in the past!


I like this one a few paragraph's down.

They’re considered freaks – and not good freaks at that. Since they’re not strong and don’t use their muscles for any reason other than to gratify their own egos they’re no more than physical abominations – facades fakes – for muscles equal strength, and if a person doesn’t have sufficient strength to back up those showy muscles, he’s a joke.

Bill Star is the man.
 
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