Deadlifts Deweighted vs. Bounced

[blut wump]

Bouncing is more dangerous besides easier.

With a bouncing form, your rep consists of eccentric then concentric: you'll take your mental pause at the top of the movement rather than at the bottom. This means that if you drift out of position or your grip starts to unravel at all then you'll do your adjusting at the top. Doing your adjusting in this position is not as safe as doing it while the weight is on the floor and you are not under load. How you'd fix your grip while standing and holding it is beyond me; maybe you puss out with straps.

The idea that you have to be under contant tension to grow is complete bollocks. Workload is what counts.

Deloading makes the lift harder on the muscles. It's not harder due to any mechanical disadvantage, however, and so I can see no significant benefit to butchering the exercise by bouncing. Of course it allows you to use more weight, which might help at strengthening lockout but so will rack pulls and with even more weight. If you bounce, the muscles you're taking out of the equation are the ones that the deadlift is most suitable to work. It's a silly thing to do.

Better to accept that you're not doing a deadlift and just switch over to doing RDL to target muscles more appropriately. It'll even give you your desired continued tension.

 

[blut wump]

and if we're wanting a straight pissing match between the two styles, I could care less what anyone on here is lifting or how many hundreds of pounds they weigh.

Take a look at what the best guys in the world are doing for their deadlifts. Last I saw Ahola, Karlsen, Pudzianowski, Zavickas, Ano, Magnussen at al. in training vids, they did sets of deweighted reps.

 

[Powerbuilder333]

and if we're wanting a straight pissing match between the two styles, I could care less what anyone on here is lifting or how many hundreds of pounds they weigh.

Take a look at what the best guys in the world are doing for their deadlifts. Last I saw Ahola, Karlsen, Pudzianowski, Zavickas, Ano, Magnussen at al. in training vids, they did sets of deweighted reps.

If your training/nutritional/AAS theories work, the'd work for you, and you wouldn't mind showing your accomplishments.
I've seen Magnussen/Bolton lift in (vid's) competition, but don't know how they train. I believe Ed Coan did sets of 5 touch and go style. Gary Frank is the main man of strenth - I'd love to find out his training theories.
You all like analogies, so here's one: How many of you ever pause your bench on your chest untill it's deloaded before pressing it. I do at least 1 rep per bench day that way because it's required in competition. Every time I've tried to exclusively use this technique my bench has decreased and my mass has shrunk.
I've been doing this for 18 years and have gained 125lbs of bulk. I give new theories a chance, but ussualy fall back on what actually works for me.
That's the bottom line. If it works for you then stick with it. If you haven't gained any size or strength lately, you'd best try something new.
I'd really like to see the results of you EFers labors, not to ridicule, but to see what other's have done.
Best in lifting.

 

[blut wump]

A bottom-up press would be a better analogy. A big part of benching is winding up the stretch as you control the weight during the eccentric. I've never seen a bencher relax and deload during a competition. If he's using a shirt then chances are that he's actively pulling downwards.

Floor-presses might be an appropriate consideration.

 

[al420]

Good post man, soon I'm retiring from C&C, losing my platinum and moving here, and other places, I hope you guys can stand me!

Be gone you douchebag - from your thread replys maybe you can understand now you are not wanted in these parts.............

 

[youngguns]

Bouncing is more dangerous besides easier.

With a bouncing form, your rep consists of eccentric then concentric: you'll take your mental pause at the top of the movement rather than at the bottom. This means that if you drift out of position or your grip starts to unravel at all then you'll do your adjusting at the top. Doing your adjusting in this position is not as safe as doing it while the weight is on the floor and you are not under load. How you'd fix your grip while standing and holding it is beyond me; maybe you puss out with straps.

The idea that you have to be under contant tension to grow is complete bollocks. Workload is what counts.

Deloading makes the lift harder on the muscles. It's not harder due to any mechanical disadvantage, however, and so I can see no significant benefit to butchering the exercise by bouncing. Of course it allows you to use more weight, which might help at strengthening lockout but so will rack pulls and with even more weight. If you bounce, the muscles you're taking out of the equation are the ones that the deadlift is most suitable to work. It's a silly thing to do.

Better to accept that you're not doing a deadlift and just switch over to doing RDL to target muscles more appropriately. It'll even give you your desired continued tension.

Thanks for the comment blut, with that being said, I know you won't want me to bring this up, but if there is more room for injury, wouldn't the 8 time mr.olympia avoid them?

 

[blut wump]

It seems not.

I get the impression that anyone can prove pretty much anything against the grain using RC as their example. I remember Madcow getting into debate mode with someone about deadlifts on the point of doing deadlifts just to get a pump, which is almost an absurd notion. Lo and behold, someone dug out an interview with Coleman where he extolls the benefits of deadlifts for getting a good pump.

The man's a freak. He's the BB equivalent of Mariusz. They're each indisctructible and move silly amounts of weight using whatever muscles are closest at the time in whatever manner gets the weight up. I know it's scientifically wrong to dismiss him as simply being too far outside the norm but, as has been said before around here, look to Ronnie as your model at your own peril.

 

[youngguns]

It seems not.

I get the impression that anyone can prove pretty much anything against the grain using RC as their example. I remember Madcow getting into debate mode with someone about deadlifts on the point of doing deadlifts just to get a pump, which is almost an absurd notion. Lo and behold, someone dug out an interview with Coleman where he extolls the benefits of deadlifts for getting a good pump.

The man's a freak. He's the BB equivalent of Mariusz. They're each indisctructible and move silly amounts of weight using whatever muscles are closest at the time in whatever manner gets the weight up. I know it's scientifically wrong to dismiss him as simply being too far outside the norm but, as has been said before around here, look to Ronnie as your model at your own peril.

Good point, he is a freak for sure. But don't you think he deserves it? I have watched tones of videos, Dorian, Jay, this guy and that guy, and Ronnie most definatly works the hardest, that with his genetics, perfect diet, and abundance of steroids and other drugs have made him a freak. I truly believe that many people put in his spot, same everything, could look just like him, but that's my opinion. Either way, I still think I have a great point which is Ronnie wants to do the least damage to his money making body, and has tons of people helping him, and he definatly does bounce. I suppose is he wants to work glutes he'll do squats, bounce deads for lower back.

 

[blut wump]

I'd recommend trying RDL.

There are also many muscles involved in starting the movement from the floor. Those are the muscles you're neglecting by bouncing or, rather, they are missing out by the bouncing.

 

[youngguns]

I'd recommend trying RDL.

There are also many muscles involved in starting the movement from the floor. Those are the muscles you're neglecting by bouncing or, rather, they are missing out by the bouncing.

What muscles are those?