Deadlifts Deweighted vs. Bounced

[Protobuilder]

youngguns: i don't give a shit what you do. it's your back. maybe you'd grow w/ quarter deads. or maybe you'll tweak your lumbars bouncing your deads and spend the next year kinda' working around it. I don't care. I was mainly addressing CS.

 

[youngguns]

That wasn't an attempt to talk shit, it was another analogy relevant to the topic. I (and a bunch of other posters) keep throwing out these analogies in the hope that you (or others reading the thread) will see the problem with your "as long as X pounds are on the bar, it doesn't matter how it gets from point A to point B" reasoning. Here are another couple that haven't been used: using a bench shirt or a squat suit and knee wraps change the dynamics of the lifts significantly and in a way very similar to touch-and-go deads (by turning it into a lockout since the rebound takes care of the bottom part).

Nathan agrees with me, Ronnie Coleman agrees with me...

 

[Cynical Simian]

PB, you might be right that there are situations where touch-and-go deads might be worthwhile (and with appropriate experience, safe), but to be honest I can't think of them. Even with WSB speed deads or the 20-rep "have a trashcan nearby to puke in" deadlift workouts Glenn has posted about, they're done as a series of singles.

If someone's only goal is to throw a bunch of volume at his back, I guess touch-and-go deads are one way to do it. The main point that I've been making is semantic: what most people refer to when they say 'deadlift' is a full deweight/reset between reps, and what YG is calling a 'deadlift' isn't comparable and needs a qualifier ('touch-and-go', 'bounced', whatever) in the same way that a suited squat or shirted bench does.

 

[youngguns]

PB, you might be right that there are situations where touch-and-go deads might be worthwhile (and with appropriate experience, safe), but to be honest I can't think of them. Even with WSB speed deads or the 20-rep "have a trashcan nearby to puke in" deadlift workouts Glenn has posted about, they're done as a series of singles.

If someone's only goal is to throw a bunch of volume at his back, I guess touch-and-go deads are one way to do it. The main point that I've been making is semantic: what most people refer to when they say 'deadlift' is a full deweight/reset between reps, and what YG is calling a 'deadlift' isn't comparable and needs a qualifier ('touch-and-go', 'bounced', whatever) in the same way that a suited squat or shirted bench does.

west side barbell? metal militia, I have done both, I use to powerlift

 

[Inhibitor13]

I used to bounce them too cause It felt like my back was working more. I did this for a while and seen that the proper way to do them is to deweight it. I said, shit, these dudes are way bigger than me so obviously they know what they are doing. I started deweighteing it and it was awkward for me at first but after getting used to it it feels much easier on my back. My back did grow when I would bounce the weight but it grew faster deweighting it. Its a lot more better for my back, less pains and more gains !

 

[Powerbuilder333]

I say all of you strong proponents of your various deadlift beliefs post vid's so we can see your technique, and more importantly will be able to see what kind of muscle mass you've been able to accumulate following your own advice.

 

[youngguns]

I say all of you strong proponents of your various deadlift beliefs post vid's so we can see your technique, and more importantly will be able to see what kind of muscle mass you've been able to accumulate following your own advice.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZYckszWW9Y
I have added 5lbs since this.

 

[Powerbuilder333]

YG as soon as you're no longer blacked out I'll be able to read your last post and comment.
Here's a vid of me deadlifting 525x1 RAW - no belt, from March 25th. I generally believe in touch and go reps, but I had to alter my training due to a gunshot wound to my shoulder that occured on March 10th. Hopefully I'll soon be back to utlizing the training theory that has helped me accumalate 300lbs of mass on a 6'6" frame.
http://video.tinypic.com/player.php?v=2iuoy1s

 

[silver_shadow]

west side barbell? metal militia, I have done both, I use to powerlift

i hope this is a joke... because you aren't a PL/BB/oly lifter till you have competed.

let's just say that the chances of nathan or ronnie nailing the dead with bounce WITH CORRECT FORM is more than you... again that is a chance. which means you MIGHT still be able to pull it off. but you came here for an opinion and an opinion is what you're going to get. just stick to strict deads making sure you get the form alright... and add in rack pulls as a variation. honestly i don't know how many lbs of extra muscle you imagine you will grow by bouncing. it couldn't be a serious amount to warrant doing something that is potentially risky.

 

[youngguns]

i hope this is a joke... because you aren't a PL/BB/oly lifter till you have competed.

let's just say that the chances of nathan or ronnie nailing the dead with bounce WITH CORRECT FORM is more than you... again that is a chance. which means you MIGHT still be able to pull it off. but you came here for an opinion and an opinion is what you're going to get. just stick to strict deads making sure you get the form alright... and add in rack pulls as a variation. honestly i don't know how many lbs of extra muscle you imagine you will grow by bouncing. it couldn't be a serious amount to warrant doing something that is potentially risky.

It is not a joke, I actually meant it, and still do, your right, I'm not a bodybuilder or a powerlifter, but I do bodybuild, and I did powerlift, is that politically correct enough for you sweety?