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DEA came to my house today
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wirednutz
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lardo5150 said:
NEVER EVER let the cops in without a warrant!!!! But fact is, 99% of people are scared shitless of a badge and a gun and punk down immediately.
lardo5150 said:
Congrats, you just gave yourself felony charges. Sheeesh!!
lardo5150 said:
Not YET you're not. The U.S. Attorney will decide whether or not to prosecute you. Do you actually think they knocked on doors all day long to waste their time? Not even close...the Feds do NOT fuck around. They will likely use you as a snitch, dangling the possibility of filing charges against you as leverage.
lardo5150 said:
Depends on your record. But from your actions, they now have you by the balls my friend. They know you will do anything they tell you to do. Perfect canidate for an informant, which is exactly why they knocked doors of these Lab's customers. And how did they get your REAL info? I know , you dont have to tell me...used your real address to receive gear, didnt mask your real IP when online, etc. etc. etc. Hell bro, they had a picture of you, this is just the beginning of a bad ordeal for you. All you had to do was take the extra time to be SAFE! What is that saying ? Better safe than SORRY? Hmmmm.
All this could have been avoided if you just did not let them in the house. If they had something on you, they would have had a warrant.
Good luck brother, you are definitely going to need it. The DEA is NOT an agency you want to run across.
KidnKorner said:
Bro, Do not just format the drive!!! You will need to complete what is called an DOD wipe of the drive. This is what the government uses when cleaning systems that are going to be disposed of. Do a search on the internet and find where to download. It is available to the public -- the company that I work for has used this when working on government projects
phatrr
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This is upsetting on so many levels.
Just for fun, I googled "DEA steroids", and one of the hits that came up: 2000 ESPN Article . In 2000, the DEA didn't care about AAS use; apparently, there's a different set of political priorities driving them now.
I also wonder to what degree we're going to see some propaganda posted on this and other boards. Here's what makes me think we will.
Reading the DEA's press release, the Mexico bust was all part of the CyberCrime deal, the first wave of which focused on drugs like Vicodin. I found a couple forums where folks discussing which variety of Vicodin works best. Based on what I read there, there were a lot of people openly ordering a lot of Vicodin - one poster was using 20 Vicodin/day, so obviously that person was ordering a lot. There's not one mention of a DEA visit to an individual's house. This phase of the operation got relatively little attention from the media, and it's my impression from reading posts that most of the users just shrugged and started looking for other places to find their pain pills.
Sooner or later, the DEA is going to wise up and use the web as a source of misinformation. What better way to send the fear of god rippling through a small community than to post stories of jack-booted thugs driving fast cars waking you up with that MagLite knock? This would a great, inexpensive way to "get the message" out to a target group, and to ensure some publicity for your effort.
What really sucks is that any resources are being spent prosecuting AAS use. The DEA in many parts of the country is overwhelmed by the crystal meth problem, which is truly frightening...honestly, how many body-builders have broken into homes to steal a VCR to pay for a dose of Winnie? How many toxic labs that require special cleanup crews does AAS use generate?
Phukkin' government. No matter who you vote for, it always ends up with a politician being elected.
Just for fun, I googled "DEA steroids", and one of the hits that came up: 2000 ESPN Article . In 2000, the DEA didn't care about AAS use; apparently, there's a different set of political priorities driving them now.
I also wonder to what degree we're going to see some propaganda posted on this and other boards. Here's what makes me think we will.
Reading the DEA's press release, the Mexico bust was all part of the CyberCrime deal, the first wave of which focused on drugs like Vicodin. I found a couple forums where folks discussing which variety of Vicodin works best. Based on what I read there, there were a lot of people openly ordering a lot of Vicodin - one poster was using 20 Vicodin/day, so obviously that person was ordering a lot. There's not one mention of a DEA visit to an individual's house. This phase of the operation got relatively little attention from the media, and it's my impression from reading posts that most of the users just shrugged and started looking for other places to find their pain pills.
Sooner or later, the DEA is going to wise up and use the web as a source of misinformation. What better way to send the fear of god rippling through a small community than to post stories of jack-booted thugs driving fast cars waking you up with that MagLite knock? This would a great, inexpensive way to "get the message" out to a target group, and to ensure some publicity for your effort.
What really sucks is that any resources are being spent prosecuting AAS use. The DEA in many parts of the country is overwhelmed by the crystal meth problem, which is truly frightening...honestly, how many body-builders have broken into homes to steal a VCR to pay for a dose of Winnie? How many toxic labs that require special cleanup crews does AAS use generate?
Phukkin' government. No matter who you vote for, it always ends up with a politician being elected.
BigCracker
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To this day I am still amazed at the stupidity and ignorance of people that choose to break the law by buying/using illegal drugs. If you're gonna dabble, the least you could do is research the risks vs rewards of such behavior before you end up in a pickle.
Your 1st mistake was ever letting them in the house. I know you were scared(the feds love that too), and you want the problem to go away as quickly as possible, but by fessing up and handing over your gear you just built a case against yourself that probably wouldn't have held up in court in the 1st place w/o a warrant. In fact, if they really had a solid case against you they'd have arrested you on the spot, searched your house, miranda, etc and not wasted time by setting up a meeting with you later on. They did this on purpose to make you shit your pants for awhile (like you are now)so you'd be good and ready to cooperate and give them an admission of guilt when you show up. I know telling you this doesn't help you now, but you totally screwed yourself. If you would've denied any knowledge of having gear, the burden of proof would've been on them and whatever their case was against you would've likely been fairly weak. A court appointed public defender could've probably gotten you probation/no felony if you had just kept your mouth shut. The cops/DEA/customs are not your friends-never were-never will be. In fact they are lying pieces of shit that are only out to fuck you over big time. They play by their own set of rules and they know all the tricks on how to get some dumbass like you to fuck himself. Going to trial may take longer and cost more $$$, but it's always a better option than whatever these assholes will offer you.
Are you prepared to pay $5000 up front to a criminal lawyer to take your case? Cuz that's the going rate give or take. Also plan on spending another $5K-$10K if it goes to trial. Time to bust open the piggy bank.
Oh yeah, I believe the statuate of limitations on drug charges in the US is 7 yrs. So even if they didn't arrest you at your house, and they don't arrest you at your scheduled meeting, anytime over the next 7 yrs they could come arrest you for possession if they feel like it.
Next time you get caught doing something stupid please deny it 100%. I don't care if you get caught with a bottle of Cypionate with your name engraved on it in your pants pocket-deny! deny! deny! You have no clue how it got there no matter what-then ask for a lawyer. I don't care if the cops say you're going to prison to get assraped by Bubba for 10 years(which they will say to scare you even if it's not true) deny! deny! deny!
Welp, plan on having a good cop/bad cop at your meeting. The bad cop will make it seem as if you're going down big time. He'll yell, swear, and act erratic trying to intimidate you into cooperating. If your wussy ass doesn't break silence, bad cop will leave and in about 30 minutes later good cop will come in. He'll be polite, offer you a soda, and rip on the bad cop for being an asshole. Then once he feels he's established your trust, he'll ask you all of the same shit bad cop just asked you. He'll strongly inply that the more you squeal, the quicker your legal probs will subside-which is a total lie! The less you say the better.
I'm not even gonna touch the subject of what happens to guys that rat out their source. Think of your family. Just because you can hide doesn't mean that they can.
Your 1st mistake was ever letting them in the house. I know you were scared(the feds love that too), and you want the problem to go away as quickly as possible, but by fessing up and handing over your gear you just built a case against yourself that probably wouldn't have held up in court in the 1st place w/o a warrant. In fact, if they really had a solid case against you they'd have arrested you on the spot, searched your house, miranda, etc and not wasted time by setting up a meeting with you later on. They did this on purpose to make you shit your pants for awhile (like you are now)so you'd be good and ready to cooperate and give them an admission of guilt when you show up. I know telling you this doesn't help you now, but you totally screwed yourself. If you would've denied any knowledge of having gear, the burden of proof would've been on them and whatever their case was against you would've likely been fairly weak. A court appointed public defender could've probably gotten you probation/no felony if you had just kept your mouth shut. The cops/DEA/customs are not your friends-never were-never will be. In fact they are lying pieces of shit that are only out to fuck you over big time. They play by their own set of rules and they know all the tricks on how to get some dumbass like you to fuck himself. Going to trial may take longer and cost more $$$, but it's always a better option than whatever these assholes will offer you.
Are you prepared to pay $5000 up front to a criminal lawyer to take your case? Cuz that's the going rate give or take. Also plan on spending another $5K-$10K if it goes to trial. Time to bust open the piggy bank.
Oh yeah, I believe the statuate of limitations on drug charges in the US is 7 yrs. So even if they didn't arrest you at your house, and they don't arrest you at your scheduled meeting, anytime over the next 7 yrs they could come arrest you for possession if they feel like it.
Next time you get caught doing something stupid please deny it 100%. I don't care if you get caught with a bottle of Cypionate with your name engraved on it in your pants pocket-deny! deny! deny! You have no clue how it got there no matter what-then ask for a lawyer. I don't care if the cops say you're going to prison to get assraped by Bubba for 10 years(which they will say to scare you even if it's not true) deny! deny! deny!
Welp, plan on having a good cop/bad cop at your meeting. The bad cop will make it seem as if you're going down big time. He'll yell, swear, and act erratic trying to intimidate you into cooperating. If your wussy ass doesn't break silence, bad cop will leave and in about 30 minutes later good cop will come in. He'll be polite, offer you a soda, and rip on the bad cop for being an asshole. Then once he feels he's established your trust, he'll ask you all of the same shit bad cop just asked you. He'll strongly inply that the more you squeal, the quicker your legal probs will subside-which is a total lie! The less you say the better.
I'm not even gonna touch the subject of what happens to guys that rat out their source. Think of your family. Just because you can hide doesn't mean that they can.
Greggorial
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This may explain what's going on
For All to Read
Dont know if anyone has seen this yet...
DEC 15--WASHINGTON, DC –
DEA Administrator Karen P. Tandy today announced the arrest of Albert Saltiel-Cohen, owner of three of the world’s largest anabolic steroid manufacturers, as part of the largest steroid enforcement operation in U.S. history. Operation Gear Grinder is a 21-month Organized Crime Drug Enforcement Task Force (OCDETF) investigation that targeted eight major steroid manufacturing companies, their owners, and their trafficking associates. By reviewing the sources of all seized and analyzed steroids submitted to the DEA’s forensic laboratories, DEA intelligence analysts and diversion investigators found that 82 percent of the steroids seized and analyzed are of Mexican origin. A large majority of those 82 percent seized and analyzed steroids originate from the eight companies identified in Operation Gear Grinder. These businesses conducted their sales via the Internet, and DEA estimates their combined total U.S. steroid sales are $56 million per year.
“Steroid traffickers market their product by luring young people with promises of enhanced performance and appearance,” DEA Administrator Karen P. Tandy said, “but what they don’t say is the illicit use of these harmful drugs can destroy the very bodies that they are supposed to improve. Drug traffickers prey on the belief that steroids enhance ability, but steroids only rob that ability, as we have seen so often from the affected lives of too many youth and professional athletes.”
Operation Gear Grinder is part of the Virtual Enforcement Initiative, a coordinated DEA effort to target illegal Internet drug trafficking, which was launched in April with Operation Cyber Chase and continued in September with Operation CYBERx. DEA’s cyber initiative acknowledges drug traffickers are embracing the use of 21 st century technology to further spread their virus into U.S. communities.
The steroid manufacturers involved in this investigation tried to mask the true consumers of these products by marketing them as being developed and sold for use in animals. The veterinary manufacturers (“laboratorios”) took notice of the demand for anabolic steroids and created a marketing strategy tailored to the needs of the U.S. consumer – to include high-quality products and internet websites. Communications via the Internet and parcel distributions were the core of these companies’ operations. The websites showcase the products and offer an email address to exchange prices and tracking numbers, and give ordering and payment instructions.
These eight companies used U.S.-based email addresses and listed each manufacturer utilizing a business website to place their products in the hands of American consumers. Some manufacturers provided direct referrals to distributors through the Contact Us section of the websites. The steroids were smuggled into the United States, and shipped to customers. In addition, steroids from the eight companies were also shipped to U.S. traffickers, who re-sold the products to their customers. Financial transactions were primarily done via Western Union wire transfers, as well as bank transfers and credit card payments.
These groups also supplied numerous pharmacies along the U.S./Mexico border, where U.S. customers could purchase steroids and smuggle them back across the border into the United States.
In addition to the Saltiel-Cohen arrest and indictments, DEA today arrested 4 steroid trafficking suspects in San Diego and Laredo, TX. As part of Operation Gear Grinder, DEA also identified over 2,000 U.S. customers that have received steroids from the businesses indicted today. These customers consist of individual users, street-level dealers, and organized trafficking groups in dozens of cities across the country.
The Southern District of California has issued indictments charging the companies and individual defendants with the following:Title 21, U.S.C., Secs. 952, 960 and 963 - Conspiracy to Import Anabolic Steroids; Title 21, U.S.C., Secs. 846 and 841(a)(1) - Conspiracy to Distribute Anabolic Steroids; Title 18, U.S.C., Sec. 2; Title 18, U.S.C., Secs. 1956(h) and 1956(a)(1)(A)(I) - Conspiracy to Launder Money; Title 21, U.S.C.,Sec. 853(a), Title 18, U.S.C.,Sec. 982 and Title 21, U.S.C.,Sec. 853(p) - Criminal Forfeiture.
Manufacturing Targets
1. Companies: Quality Vet, Denkall, and Animal Power
Owners: Alberto Saltiel Cohen, Joaquin Garcia Rivas, and Javier Garcia de la Pena.
These manufacturers are significant U.S. suppliers of Nandrolone
2. Company: Laboratorios Tornel
Owner: Luis Bravo-Tornel
Manager: Mauricio Bravo-Berentsen
This manufacturer is a top U.S. supplier of Testosterone Decanoate
3. Company: Laboratorios Brovel
Owner: Arturo Bravo-Valdes
This manufacturer is a top U.S. supplier of Nandrolone Decanoate
4. Company: Pet’s Pharma
Owner: Ramon Vargas
Co-Owner-Eduardo Hernandez
This manufacturer is a top U.S. source of Testosterone Enanthate
5. Company: Syd Group
Owner: Armando Guzman-Armenta
Associate: Amalia Lara
This manufacturer is a top U.S. source of Stanozolol
6. Company: Loeffler
Officer: Jose Angel Garcia-Hinojosa
This manufacturer is a top U.S. source of Methandrostenolone
Operation Gear Grinder was coordinated by the DEA Special Operations Division. DEA offices in San Diego, Mexico City, Tijuana, New York, Houston, San Antonio, and Laredo, Texas participated in the investigation.
This investigation was a collaborative effort involving DEA, numerous U.S state and local law enforcement agencies, and the Mexican Federal Agency of Investigation (AFI).
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For All to Read
Dont know if anyone has seen this yet...
DEC 15--WASHINGTON, DC –
DEA Administrator Karen P. Tandy today announced the arrest of Albert Saltiel-Cohen, owner of three of the world’s largest anabolic steroid manufacturers, as part of the largest steroid enforcement operation in U.S. history. Operation Gear Grinder is a 21-month Organized Crime Drug Enforcement Task Force (OCDETF) investigation that targeted eight major steroid manufacturing companies, their owners, and their trafficking associates. By reviewing the sources of all seized and analyzed steroids submitted to the DEA’s forensic laboratories, DEA intelligence analysts and diversion investigators found that 82 percent of the steroids seized and analyzed are of Mexican origin. A large majority of those 82 percent seized and analyzed steroids originate from the eight companies identified in Operation Gear Grinder. These businesses conducted their sales via the Internet, and DEA estimates their combined total U.S. steroid sales are $56 million per year.
“Steroid traffickers market their product by luring young people with promises of enhanced performance and appearance,” DEA Administrator Karen P. Tandy said, “but what they don’t say is the illicit use of these harmful drugs can destroy the very bodies that they are supposed to improve. Drug traffickers prey on the belief that steroids enhance ability, but steroids only rob that ability, as we have seen so often from the affected lives of too many youth and professional athletes.”
Operation Gear Grinder is part of the Virtual Enforcement Initiative, a coordinated DEA effort to target illegal Internet drug trafficking, which was launched in April with Operation Cyber Chase and continued in September with Operation CYBERx. DEA’s cyber initiative acknowledges drug traffickers are embracing the use of 21 st century technology to further spread their virus into U.S. communities.
The steroid manufacturers involved in this investigation tried to mask the true consumers of these products by marketing them as being developed and sold for use in animals. The veterinary manufacturers (“laboratorios”) took notice of the demand for anabolic steroids and created a marketing strategy tailored to the needs of the U.S. consumer – to include high-quality products and internet websites. Communications via the Internet and parcel distributions were the core of these companies’ operations. The websites showcase the products and offer an email address to exchange prices and tracking numbers, and give ordering and payment instructions.
These eight companies used U.S.-based email addresses and listed each manufacturer utilizing a business website to place their products in the hands of American consumers. Some manufacturers provided direct referrals to distributors through the Contact Us section of the websites. The steroids were smuggled into the United States, and shipped to customers. In addition, steroids from the eight companies were also shipped to U.S. traffickers, who re-sold the products to their customers. Financial transactions were primarily done via Western Union wire transfers, as well as bank transfers and credit card payments.
These groups also supplied numerous pharmacies along the U.S./Mexico border, where U.S. customers could purchase steroids and smuggle them back across the border into the United States.
In addition to the Saltiel-Cohen arrest and indictments, DEA today arrested 4 steroid trafficking suspects in San Diego and Laredo, TX. As part of Operation Gear Grinder, DEA also identified over 2,000 U.S. customers that have received steroids from the businesses indicted today. These customers consist of individual users, street-level dealers, and organized trafficking groups in dozens of cities across the country.
The Southern District of California has issued indictments charging the companies and individual defendants with the following:Title 21, U.S.C., Secs. 952, 960 and 963 - Conspiracy to Import Anabolic Steroids; Title 21, U.S.C., Secs. 846 and 841(a)(1) - Conspiracy to Distribute Anabolic Steroids; Title 18, U.S.C., Sec. 2; Title 18, U.S.C., Secs. 1956(h) and 1956(a)(1)(A)(I) - Conspiracy to Launder Money; Title 21, U.S.C.,Sec. 853(a), Title 18, U.S.C.,Sec. 982 and Title 21, U.S.C.,Sec. 853(p) - Criminal Forfeiture.
Manufacturing Targets
1. Companies: Quality Vet, Denkall, and Animal Power
Owners: Alberto Saltiel Cohen, Joaquin Garcia Rivas, and Javier Garcia de la Pena.
These manufacturers are significant U.S. suppliers of Nandrolone
2. Company: Laboratorios Tornel
Owner: Luis Bravo-Tornel
Manager: Mauricio Bravo-Berentsen
This manufacturer is a top U.S. supplier of Testosterone Decanoate
3. Company: Laboratorios Brovel
Owner: Arturo Bravo-Valdes
This manufacturer is a top U.S. supplier of Nandrolone Decanoate
4. Company: Pet’s Pharma
Owner: Ramon Vargas
Co-Owner-Eduardo Hernandez
This manufacturer is a top U.S. source of Testosterone Enanthate
5. Company: Syd Group
Owner: Armando Guzman-Armenta
Associate: Amalia Lara
This manufacturer is a top U.S. source of Stanozolol
6. Company: Loeffler
Officer: Jose Angel Garcia-Hinojosa
This manufacturer is a top U.S. source of Methandrostenolone
Operation Gear Grinder was coordinated by the DEA Special Operations Division. DEA offices in San Diego, Mexico City, Tijuana, New York, Houston, San Antonio, and Laredo, Texas participated in the investigation.
This investigation was a collaborative effort involving DEA, numerous U.S state and local law enforcement agencies, and the Mexican Federal Agency of Investigation (AFI).
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wirednutz
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LoneTree said:
They dont need his testimony against the Labs in the bust. They are fucked already or the DEA would have never shown up. They will certainly use him to get lower level dealers. Like I said, he will be a snitch.
LoneTree said:
Yup after he gives them more cases. Bro, its the DEA's job to bring cases to federal court that end up in convictions PERIOD. And they are EXPERTS at 'bullshitting.' Bullshitting/lying is part of investigative tactics.
kimblesaurus
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,178853,00.htmlGreggorial said:
just read this myself, sounds like this instance may be related...
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