dbol and primo

[mike517]

Just read about a cycle of dbol and primo. But the primo was oral. Sounds kind of stupid to me combining the 2 orals cause of dbol's toxicity. But would it be a big deal since the primo isn't really liver toxic?

what effect you gonna get taking the primo with the dbol??

really qurious on this as I have always been under the impression 2 orals=bad news and that primo wouldn't go well with a bulker like dbol.

Thanks a bunch.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Oral Primo is not 17 alpha alkylated so it is a lot stress stressful on the liver than other orals.

 

[AhMadKooL]

Primo is slightly liver toxic. The relative toxicity of primo tabs is approx. twice as much as the injections:
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/catprimo.htm

It says:
"Methenolone is available as an injection or as an oral. The injection is naturally regarded as better. Its an enanthate ester which is quite long-acting and only needs to be injected once a week in doses of 300-600 mg. Because it by-passes hepatic breakdown on the first pass, it also has a higher survival rate. The orals are a lot less handy, but often preferred by bodybuilders who are afraid of needles or who are already taking one or more injectable compounds. The tabs are in a short-lived acetate form, meaning that doses of 100-150 mg per day are needed, split over 2 or 3 doses, making the tabs quite inconvenient for use. The reason doses need to be split up, unlike most oral steroids, is because Methenolone is not 17-alpha-alkylated, but 1-methylated for oral bio-availability. This reduces the liver stress, but also the availability, hence the multiple and high doses needed daily.

Like nandrolone, methenolone is very mild on the system. Probably the reason why both are strongly favored as base compounds in stacks. Methenolone has no estrogenic side-effects whatsoever, on account of its structure. Its effects on the cholesterol levels are barely noticeable. In doses of 200 mg or less (injectable) blood pressure is rarely, if at all, altered. As for hepatoxicity, long-term use will of course increase liver values but gradually and only slightly. The injections of course, since they only pass the liver once, have roughly half the liver-toxic effects of the tabs. The low liver-toxicity is accounted for that the bio-availability of methenolone is carried by a 1-methyl-group, which lessens the need for a carrier attachment such as a 17-alpha-akylated group, the main culprit in steroid-related liver afflictions."

 

[mike517]

So would this be a worhtwhile stack? I was reading around and this seems to be something like what arnold was likely on. Primo and Dianabol. I am assuming that this should be a bulking if done? Is that right?

what if you are taking the primo tabs? Shoudl you still be running the primo for 12 weeks and the dbol for 4? Or just if the primo are injects?

 

[Varga]

So would this be a worhtwhile stack? I was reading around and this seems to be something like what arnold was likely on. Primo and Dianabol. I am assuming that this should be a bulking if done? Is that right?

what if you are taking the primo tabs? Shoudl you still be running the primo for 12 weeks and the dbol for 4? Or just if the primo are injects?

What you refering is injectible primo and oral dbol. Not recommended to do any type of oral for 12 weeks. I think you misunderstanding this entire concept of orals

 

[mike517]

That basically answers my question. Thanks. I was just qurious if primo would be okay for such a long period because it is not a 17-aa like dbol or winny.

But again, a cycle of primo inject and oral dbol, would be used for cutting or bulking, or somewhere in between. Qurious as this used to be a favoured cycle back in the 70's.

If anyone can let me know it would be appreciated.

 

[Varga]

Depending on the diet it can be a clean bulk. For best results as a heavier bulker add test also.

If you watch your diet you can cut on it too.

 

[mike517]

would you be able to recommend a simple example of what the diet would look like for a clean bulk?

Thanks.

 

[ghettostudmuffin]

Wasn't injectable primo and dbol supposed to be Arnold's favorite stack?

 

[Nelson Montana]

Primo is slightly liver toxic. The relative toxicity of primo tabs is approx. twice as much as the injections:
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/catprimo.htm

It says:
"Methenolone is available as an injection or as an oral. The injection is naturally regarded as better. Its an enanthate ester which is quite long-acting and only needs to be injected once a week in doses of 300-600 mg. Because it by-passes hepatic breakdown on the first pass, it also has a higher survival rate. The orals are a lot less handy, but often preferred by bodybuilders who are afraid of needles or who are already taking one or more injectable compounds. The tabs are in a short-lived acetate form, meaning that doses of 100-150 mg per day are needed, split over 2 or 3 doses, making the tabs quite inconvenient for use. The reason doses need to be split up, unlike most oral steroids, is because Methenolone is not 17-alpha-alkylated, but 1-methylated for oral bio-availability. This reduces the liver stress, but also the availability, hence the multiple and high doses needed daily.

Like nandrolone, methenolone is very mild on the system. Probably the reason why both are strongly favored as base compounds in stacks. Methenolone has no estrogenic side-effects whatsoever, on account of its structure. Its effects on the cholesterol levels are barely noticeable. In doses of 200 mg or less (injectable) blood pressure is rarely, if at all, altered. As for hepatoxicity, long-term use will of course increase liver values but gradually and only slightly. The injections of course, since they only pass the liver once, have roughly half the liver-toxic effects of the tabs. The low liver-toxicity is accounted for that the bio-availability of methenolone is carried by a 1-methyl-group, which lessens the need for a carrier attachment such as a 17-alpha-akylated group, the main culprit in steroid-related liver afflictions."

Good info , but in general (to those of you new to the board) be wary of information provided by Big Cat. It's purely technical and I'm not sure where he gets it from. But talk about not speaking from experience. He admits to never using steroids. Yeah, yeah, that doesn't mean someone who's a total juice head is a better source of knowledge, nor does it mean he's not correct, but there is something to be said about a first hand experience with these drugs that is irreplacable.