DaVinci vs The Passion: A Comparison

[Longhorn85]

The Passion of the Christ:

1) Dramatic portrayal of an actual historical event
2) Accurately tells the story of Christianity
3) Shunned by the Hollywood Elite
4) Embraced by the Church, and moviegoers
5) Tremendous success for Mel Gibson

The DaVinci Code:

1) Based on a fictional book
2) Presented as fact by many in an attempt to discredit the Catholic Church
3) Embraced by the Hollywood Elite
4) Panned by critics and moviegoers
5) Tremendous flop for Ron Howard and Tom Hanks

 

[SoKlueles]

it is a flop?
i started reading the book just to see what it is about but i cant get into it.

 

[Longhorn85]

It was canned at Cannes.

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsa..._US-LEISURE-CANNES-DAVINCI.xml&src=rss&rpc=22

 

[manny78]

It was canned at Cannes.

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsa..._US-LEISURE-CANNES-DAVINCI.xml&src=rss&rpc=22

Cannes means shit. Bunch of wannabe intellectuals hanging together. It's at the box-office where you can qualify something as a flop or not. The book is good and I expect the movie to make a shitload of movie.

 

[Longhorn85]

You're right about that, critics have been wrong before. But they said some of the moviegoers were laughing at supposedly the most serious parts of the movie.

We'll see how it does here in North America.

 

[AAP]

And your point for this is.....?


Anyway, This man (on the left, wearing a fabulous vintage chiffon-lined Dior gold lamé gown over a silk Vera Wang empire waist tulle cocktail dress, accessorized with a 3-foot beaded peaked House of Whoville hat, and the ruby slippers Judy Garland wore in the "Wizard of Oz") is worried that The Da Vinci Code might make the Roman Catholic Church look foolish.

 

[Longhorn85]

Okay that outfit is over the top, but I don't think he's worried about the movie, it will probably lead to more filled pews.

As far as my point, I think the reception of these two movies says a lot about Hollywood (out of touch) and the American movie-going public (largely Christian)

 

[AAP]

Saying the Da Vinci code is based on a fictional book is ironic considering that is exactly what the Bible is.

 

[redguru]

Lay off making fun of the Pope, that's my bailiwick!

We did it too!

 

[AAP]

This new, umm... pope certain is not as photogentic as the last one. The last one had a face made for magazine covers.

 

[Longhorn85]

Saying the Da Vinci code is based on a fictional book is ironic considering that is exactly what the Bible is.

Dan Brown wrote the novel as fiction.

You might be able to find a few secular humanists to agree with you about the Bible but most historians would not.

 

[AAP]

Dan Brown wrote the novel as fiction.

You might be able to find a few secular humanists to agree with you about the Bible but most historians would not.

Most historians were not around when it was written, so their opinion is just based on hearsay. Just like some of the writers themselves of the bible. And after all, the Old Testament seemed to be "the word" until it became outdated and got revised.

Both are work of fiction and inconclusive of exact proof of the truths they purport.

 

[harmonica]

I visited Opus One in Napa a few years back. I'm catholic............and a tad obscure.

 

[heatherrae]

I never saw Passion, but I read the book. ;-)

 

[dullboy]

dullboy doesn't understand why it's ok to make a slanderous movie about the catholic church and jesus, but you can't make a cartoon drawing of the prophet mohammed.


does it have something to do with prejudice?

 

[dullboy]

dullboy wonders if hollywood would support a movie that supported the idea that the holocaust is a fairytale?

 

[manny78]

dullboy doesn't understand why it's ok to make a slanderous movie about the catholic church and jesus, but you can't make a cartoon drawing of the prophet mohammed.


does it have something to do with prejudice?

Because we're civilized, they aren't.

 

[Longhorn85]

dullboy wonders if hollywood would support a movie that supported the idea that the holocaust is a fairytale?

Methinks dullboy has just asked a rhetorical question, and we all know the answer.

 

[heatherrae]

dullboy wonders if hollywood would support a movie that supported the idea that the holocaust is a fairytale?

Lots of Jewish people were very offended with regard to "Life is Beautiful." They said that it trivialized the suffering of the Jewish people during the halocaust. I think they entirely missed the point! It was a wonderful movie.

 

[mekannik]

Because we're civilized, they aren't.

I would go with that we are tolerant, not fanatical.

 

[i am what i am]

This movie is going to be a major hit. You have the pope telling every Christain world wide not to go and see the movie. What's this going to do? It's going to make every Christain wonder why the pope doesn't want them to see it. The pope has given this movie more publicity than it ever would have received. I think that whether or not the movie actually is a flop or not, according to ticket sales, it will be a huge hit.

And let's not forget this guy is making mucho dinero just from everyone going out to read his book to see what all the hype is about.

 

[alien amp pharm]

dullboy doesn't understand why it's ok to make a slanderous movie about the catholic church and jesus, but you can't make a cartoon drawing of the prophet mohammed.


does it have something to do with prejudice?

plus we as Americans are FORCED to be polliticaly correct to the extreme

...except when it comes to making fun of Christians.

Sad.

 

[heatherrae]

They are actually projecting it to be a big hit, even though it has been panned by critics, purely because the book has been so wildly popular.

 

[Phenom78]

Saying the Da Vinci code is based on a fictional book is ironic considering that is exactly what the Bible is.

The Bible is a tool of the "faithful" and is commonly understood to be a faith based document.

The Da Vinci Code is a book of fiction which the author and intolerably stupid present as an historical work which they purport to meet the standards of that discipline.

 

[foreigngirl]

And your point for this is.....?


Anyway, This man (on the left, wearing a fabulous vintage chiffon-lined Dior gold lamé gown over a silk Vera Wang empire waist tulle cocktail dress, accessorized with a 3-foot beaded peaked House of Whoville hat, and the ruby slippers Judy Garland wore in the "Wizard of Oz") is worried that The Da Vinci Code might make the Roman Catholic Church look foolish.

I just seriosly cant believe that this pope likes to induldge in luxury. I thought Gods people were suppose to be modest

 

[Longhorn85]

Most historians were not around when it was written, so their opinion is just based on hearsay.

So centuries of study by historians and archaeologists is trumped by your opinon on the historical accuracy of the Bible?

 

[Phenom78]

So centuries of study by historians and archaeologists is trumped by your opinon on the historical accuracy of the Bible?

The Bible is not an historical document. You minimize, not enhance, its stature when you make the claim.

 

[foreigngirl]

So centuries of study by historians and archaeologists is trumped by your opinon on the historical accuracy of the Bible?

The Bible has only some historical facts and even those are wrapped up in over-glorifying and over-doing, just like fairy tales

 

[Longhorn85]

plus we as Americans are FORCED to be polliticaly correct to the extreme

...except when it comes to making fun of Christians.

It IS politically correct to make fun of Christians.

 

[Phenom78]

The Passion of the Christ:

1) Dramatic portrayal of an actual historical event
2) Accurately tells the story of Christianity
3) Shunned by the Hollywood Elite
4) Embraced by the Church, and moviegoers
5) Tremendous success for Mel Gibson

The DaVinci Code:

1) Based on a fictional book
2) Presented as fact by many in an attempt to discredit the Catholic Church
3) Embraced by the Hollywood Elite
4) Panned by critics and moviegoers
5) Tremendous flop for Ron Howard and Tom Hanks

The hypocrisy of Hollywood is on display. You hit that without a doubt. All the same people who were telling Gibson he would never work in the industry again blah blah blah.

 

[AAP]

So centuries of study by historians and archaeologists is trumped by your opinon on the historical accuracy of the Bible?

Actually the failure to explain dinosaurs and any mention of the Ice Age trumps anything the Bible purports to be the truth.

And not a single archaelogist to ever walk this earth or ever will walk this earth will ever dig up or discover a single shred of evidence of the so called "miracles" that the Bible bleats about. Complete hearsay.

The Bible at it's best is nothing more than just a simple propaganda tool to be used for whatever motives need justifying. Whether it is "Christians" looking for "faith" to overcome their mental insecurities, or by God's "Soldiers" looking for a reason to wage war in the name of Christainity, or by the KKK looking to cement the truth of their own twisted philosophy and outlook. The Bible is simply a tool for tools.

 

[heatherrae]

UUUMMMM....Wow, AAP. Lots of Christians beleive that the bible is a collection of allegories. I, for one, don't take it literally. You have some serious hate against Christians. Woah. You are just seething. I think 99% percent of Christians are the nicest people you will ever meet, but the 1% who are fanatical jerks are the ones who give them a bad name.

 

[bignate73]

King Pimp!

 

[dullboy]

The Bible is simply a tool for tools.

dullboys says that's a pretty harsh statement.

does it upset someone like you that there are hundreds of millions of people who posess far greater intelligence and substantially higher IQ's than yourself who are people of faith who follow this tool?

do you really think that they're all tools?

or do you think you're just brighter than all these folk and you've got it all figured out on your own?

dullboy says to each his own.

dullboy never understood the mentality of people like yourself who seek to raise themselves up by knocking others down. dullboy understands the clinical reasons, but not the mentality. he could go into the psychological aspects of this behaivior trait, but he doesn't want to get mean and hurt your feelings.

 

[AAP]

I am not hating. I am just stating a fact that is ridiculous that people take some writings by people of questionable character thousands of years ago and attempt to apply it to their own lives, not for bettering themselves but only to justify their motives or their trials.

Some discovers that they have cancer... they say it is Gods way of testing them. No, that is just a bunch of crock. It means your ass got cancer. People are so insecure of themselves they turn to the Bible to use it to justify their own bigotry and hatred of another segment of society simply because they are envious of the happiness that those have obtained. Rather than bettering themselves, they attempt to pull others down beneath their level just in order to appear better.

You know, the last time I checked atheists were over represented in the upper echleons of society and under represented in prison population.

 

[AAP]

dullboys says that's a pretty harsh statement.

does it upset someone like you that there are hundreds of millions of people who posess far greater intelligence and substantially higher IQ's than yourself who are people of faith who follow this tool?

do you really think that they're all tools?

or do you think you're just brighter than all these folk and you've got it all figured out on your own?

dullboy says to each his own.

dullboy never understood the mentality of people like yourself who seek to raise themselves up by knocking others down. dullboy understands the clinical reasons, but not the mentality. he could go into the psychological aspects of this behaivior trait, but he doesn't want to get mean and hurt your feelings.

Replace all references of me with "Christians" and you will see the shoe fits just as snug on the other foot.

As far as knocking others down, isn't that a tactic of Christians to compensate for their own insecurities?

I have nothing against being spiritual when used in context for the betterment of oneself. But when used simply to justify negative actions against others, you seem exactly what the foundation of religion is based upon.

 

[dullboy]

I am not hating. Rather than bettering themselves, they attempt to pull others down beneath their level just in order to appear better.

you made a hateful statement. the irony is that you deny being hateful, and then proceed to produce a list of reasons rationalizing and justifying your hate.

it seems to dullboy that you're engaing in exactly the same behavior that you attempt to deride christians for; which would be putting christians down to feel better about yourself.

it's called reaction formation and it's a high level defense mechanism.

 

[dullboy]

AAP - do you feel persecuted by Christians?

 

[heatherrae]

You say everything is reaction formation Dullboy. Damn, I've seen you say that in about 1/3 of your posts. ;-) Seriously, I've seen you say it three or four times. You must enjoy that classification.

 

[AAP]

Try your reverse psychology another time. I have no hate at all for Christians. Far from it. I am simply pointing out a fact that can not be denied. It's indisputeable.

People cope in different ways. Drugs, meds, religion, it's all the same.

By the way, what's God done for you lately?

 

[AAP]

AAP - do you feel persecuted by Christians?

Why should I?

 

[dullboy]

Try your reverse psychology another time. I have no hate at all for Christians.

dullboy wasn't aware that referring to people as tools was a term of endearment.

thank you for enlightening dullboy.

 

[heatherrae]

Try your reverse psychology another time. I have no hate at all for Christians. Far from it. I am simply pointing out a fact that can not be denied. It's indisputeable.

People cope in different ways. Drugs, meds, religion, it's all the same.

By the way, what's God done for you lately?

Actually, He's done lots for me lately. ;-)

 

[mrplunkey]

Actually the failure to explain dinosaurs and any mention of the Ice Age trumps anything the Bible purports to be the truth.

And not a single archaelogist to ever walk this earth or ever will walk this earth will ever dig up or discover a single shred of evidence of the so called "miracles" that the Bible bleats about. Complete hearsay.

The Bible at it's best is nothing more than just a simple propaganda tool to be used for whatever motives need justifying. Whether it is "Christians" looking for "faith" to overcome their mental insecurities, or by God's "Soldiers" looking for a reason to wage war in the name of Christainity, or by the KKK looking to cement the truth of their own twisted philosophy and outlook. The Bible is simply a tool for tools.

Wow... that's some serious christian-hating.

A lot of people get relief and comfort from christianity. If there wasn't some benefit to the practice of religion it wouldn't have lasted the thousands and thousands of years that it has.

I don't see why people don't let other people who choose to believe alone.

 

[dullboy]

You say everything is reaction formation Dullboy. Damn, I've seen you say that in about 1/3 of your posts. ;-) Seriously, I've seen you say it three or four times. You must enjoy that classification.

it's a common defense mech. every sane person has to control the id.

dullboy is a freud groupie.

 

[jestro]

The peeps that are saying the book bashes christianity probably haven't read it.
I'm not going to give away the ending, but the book says jesus was real. Which is alot farther than I would go.

 

[Phenom78]

reaction formation is a defense mechanism in which anxiety-producing or unacceptable emotions are replaced by their direct opposites. For example, one who is strongly attracted to pornography, but has moral or religious obligations to avoid it, might become a staunch critic of it.


I think the behavior is more indicative of rationalization

 

[AAP]

The peeps that are saying the book bashes christianity probably haven't read it.
I'm not going to give away the ending, but the book says jesus was real. Which is alot farther than I would go.

Ahhh someone shows up that gets my sarcasm.

 

[AAP]

I don't see why people don't let other people who choose to believe alone.

Why don't those who chose to believe leave others alone? Hmmm?

How many wars have been fought in the name of Scientology?

How many Christians are quick to bash Scientology believers?

How many Christians open their homes to Jevahs Witnesses?

How many armies of monks have marched across lands under the banner of Buddha slaughtering their "enemies" that didn't convert to their outlook?

Hell Satanists are suppose to be the epitome of all that is evil, yet that religion has committed fewer crimes than Christians.

 

[AAP]

Actually, He's done lots for me lately. ;-)

What's he done for you?

 

[jestro]

Ahhh someone shows up that gets my sarcasm.

yessir I do.

What I don't get are zealots who try to whip people into a frenzy with no basis in reality.

 

[heatherrae]

What's he done for you?

Some answered prayers, AAP =-)

 

[Phenom78]

The peeps that are saying the book bashes christianity probably haven't read it.
I'm not going to give away the ending, but the book says jesus was real. Which is alot farther than I would go.

You fail to grasp the objection.

More to the point its absurd to claim gratitude is merited for acknowledging the existence of someone named Jesus while simultaneously using that concession to butcher in its entirety whatever he actually stood for.

 

[AAP]

Some answered prayers, AAP =-)

That's not very descriptive.

By the way, you need to stop all that praying. I been praying for Brad Pitt to fall in my bed for a while now. It hasn't happened cause you probably clogging up the system getting your shit answered.

Hell just when I think I get ahead of all the "let me win the lottery" crowds.. this happens.

 

[jestro]

What's he done for you?

Everything good is something god has done, but everything bad is just a test, to make sure you really love god.
They've got the system worked out pretty well. Thats why its lasted so long.

 

[AAP]

Everything good is something god has done, but everything bad is just a test, to make sure you really love god.
They've got the system worked out pretty well. Thats why its lasted so long.

exactly. and don't forget, anything good that happens to someone you don't like is from Satan. No matter if they are a Christian or not.

 

[heatherrae]

Why don't those who chose to believe leave others alone? Hmmm?

How many wars have been fought in the name of Scientology?

How many Christians are quick to bash Scientology believers?

How many Christians open their homes to Jevahs Witnesses?

How many armies of monks have marched across lands under the banner of Buddha slaughtering their "enemies" that didn't convert to their outlook?

Hell Satanists are suppose to be the epitome of all that is evil, yet that religion has committed fewer crimes than Christians.

That is unfortunately true that too many people are intolerant of other religions and that lots of innocent people have been killed in the name of religion. However, don't equate that to be the message of Christianity. It is merely a result of PEOPLE with perverse minds who twisted the message to their own ends.

 

[jestro]

You fail to grasp the objection.

More to the point its absurd to claim gratitude is merited for acknowledging the existence of someone named Jesus while simultaneously using that concession to butcher in its entirety whatever he actually stood for.

1.Ok, what SPECIFICALY did the book say that butchers what jesus stood for.

2.Also, why is what you and your church correct about what he stood for, and not another church correct?

3.If catholics and protistants both believe in god and jesus, wheres the beef?

4. How many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie pop?

 

[AAP]

That is unfortunately true that too many people are intolerant of other religions and that lots of innocent people have been killed in the name of religion. However, don't equate that to be the message of Christianity. It is merely a result of PEOPLE with perverse minds who twisted the message to their own ends.

Exactly. So therefore, Religion and the bible simply becomes a TOOL that people use for their own motives. And when it does, it loses the true meaning of the principles that being a Christian is based upon.

Like I originally said.

 

[manny78]

I just seriosly cant believe that this pope likes to induldge in luxury. I thought Gods people were suppose to be modest

Lol our priest in Montreal are pimpin' in big ass Cadillacs and Lincolns. They're also known to be very good customers at the local titty bars and escort agency.

 

[Wulfgar]

I think Jesus was a very enlightened being and was so far advanced he resonated spiritually at the same level as Krishna and Bhudda. its these powerful beings throughout history that have had the largest impact. Unfortunately for them they became diefied into something they were not.
I feel bad people use Jesus and his messages as a tool to wage war and spread the evil he so passionatly asked them not to. It is the highest of Ironies that a man who preached forgiveness and love and understanding would in the future be the tool of a large sect of people who preach unforegiveness and condemn those who dont beleive the way they do.
I personally think the Paths of Bhuddism are the closest religion has come to allowing those who decide to a path to enlightenment.
thank god in the late 80's we as a species jumped up in our harmonics allowing spirituality to start coming forth and leave the archaic ways of religion behind, where they should be.
Its about time people started taking faith on THEMSELVES instead of giving thier determinisms to others. We are all the creators of realities.
have a good day

Wulf

 

[Phenom78]

1.Ok, what SPECIFICALY did the book say that butchers what jesus stood for.

2.Also, why is what you and your church correct about what he stood for, and not another church correct?

3.If catholics and protistants both believe in god and jesus, wheres the beef?

4. How many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie pop?

1)Did you not read the book, or simply lack a functional understanding of Christian theology against which to measure the discrepancies?

Among other things it butchers the concept of his divinity, his proper messianic role according to Old Testatment, his role and relationship to the Church, the origion of scriptures, and the life he led. Christ was the second "Adam" come to redeem man from the fall as the sacrifical lamb, not to join them in it.

2) What is the point of the question. I don't concern myself with other peoples faiths or non faiths. And unlike Dan Brown I also don't invent fanatstical stories I claim are historically accurate in order to demean and discredit them.

3)Again what does this have to do with the topic of discussion, or is it just filler?

4) I'm a biter

4)

 

[UA_Iron]

I feel persecuted by Christianity.

The disease known as Christianity has managed to infect every form of my government and create/promote/enforce policies I would rather not have in place.

The bible as the best argument for christianity is also the greatest tool against this institution. One needs not to prove or disprove the existence of the God in the bible or necessarily understand why people believe, but rather, upon closer analysis, be able to reduce the book into a slurry of hypocrisy with inconsistencies abound, and use this as a basis not to believe.

 

[Phenom78]

I think Jesus was a very enlightened being and was so far advanced he resonated spiritually at the same level as Krishna and Bhudda. its these powerful beings throughout history that have had the largest impact. Unfortunately for them they became diefied into something they were not.
I feel bad people use Jesus and his messages as a tool to wage war and spread the evil he so passionatly asked them not to. It is the highest of Ironies that a man who preached forgiveness and love and understanding would in the future be the tool of a large sect of people who preach unforegiveness and condemn those who dont beleive the way they do.
I personally think the Paths of Bhuddism are the closest religion has come to allowing those who decide to a path to enlightenment.
thank god in the late 80's we as a species jumped up in our harmonics allowing spirituality to start coming forth and leave the archaic ways of religion behind, where they should be.
Its about time people started taking faith on THEMSELVES instead of giving thier determinisms to others. We are all the creators of realities.
have a good day

Wulf

In a secular sense the ultimate value of any philosophy is determined by its functionality with respect to helping us lead happier lives individually, and in a larger social sense better societies.

But in a secular sense there is no enlightenment beyond surivival of the fittest. Accidents of nature do not have greater purpose than survival and self aggrandizement. All the rest is just a weak attempt to manufacture a non religion based religious system

 

[foreigngirl]

Lol our priest in Montreal are pimpin' in big ass Cadillacs and Lincolns. They're also known to be very good customers at the local titty bars and escort agency.

lol...yeah, thats really sad. Our orthodox priests back home are truly modest

 

[jestro]

1)Did you not read the book, or simply lack a functional understanding of Christian theology against which to measure the discrepancies?

Among other things it butchers the concept of his divinity, his proper messianic role according to Old Testatment, his role and relationship to the Church, the origion of scriptures, and the life he led. Christ was the second "Adam" come to redeem man from the fall as the sacrifical lamb, not to join them in it.

I read the book, and I know that a fundamental part of christianity is the martyrdom factor.
I guess I just don't see the problem if jesus lived and had a family. I think that's kind of cool.
I think a major problem with some christians is how close minded they can be about the literalness of the bible.

 

[UA_Iron]

I read the book, and I know that a fundamental part of christianity is the martyrdom factor.
I guess I just don't see the problem if jesus lived and had a family. I think that's kind of cool.
I think a major problem with some christians is how close minded they can be about the literalness of the bible.

The bible is open for interpretation. Though, if it is not beneficial towards their cause you would be "taking it out of context" or interpreting wrong.

 

[dullboy]

reaction formation is a defense mechanism in which anxiety-producing or unacceptable emotions are replaced by their direct opposites. For example, one who is strongly attracted to pornography, but has moral or religious obligations to avoid it, might become a staunch critic of it.


I think the behavior is more indicative of rationalization

rationalization wouldn't explain open malice towards an entire group of people based soley on their belief system.

reaction formation is more likely.

 

[harmonica]

I believe in God. I believe in Jesus Christ and that he died for my/our sins. Had I been born to an environment where this was not taught, I would not believe this (duh). In the back of my mind, I realize I believe this so I wont go to hell on a technicality.

I also believe in being a good person..........so God, I'm sure, has a "good person cut line." I strive to make the cut.

 

[Quadsweeps Sister]

And your point for this is.....?


Anyway, This man (on the left, wearing a fabulous vintage chiffon-lined Dior gold lamé gown over a silk Vera Wang empire waist tulle cocktail dress, accessorized with a 3-foot beaded peaked House of Whoville hat, and the ruby slippers Judy Garland wore in the "Wizard of Oz") is worried that The Da Vinci Code might make the Roman Catholic Church look foolish.

LMAO!!!

 

[heatherrae]

I believe in God. I believe in Jesus Christ and that he died for my/our sins. Had I been born to an environment where this was not taught, I would not believe this (duh). In the back of my mind, I realize I believe this so I wont go to hell on a technicality.

I also believe in being a good person..........so God, I'm sure, has a "good person cut line." I strive to make the cut.

Sounds like waiting to get picked for the sides in HS PE class. Ummm...you come with me. You over there...go to hell

 

[UA_Iron]

Pretty much all the cool people are gonna be in hell anyway.

Would you seriously want to spend your afterlife holding hands singing cum-bye-ya with Longhorn and Curling?

 

[heatherrae]

Pretty much all the cool people are gonna be in hell anyway.

Would you seriously want to spend your afterlife holding hands singing cum-bye-ya with Longhorn and Curling?

Darn, when you put it that way....

I think I'm going to convert.

 

[dullboy]

Darn, when you put it that way....

I think I'm going to convert.

to satinism and the dark arts?

 

[Longhorn85]

The Bible is not an historical document. You minimize, not enhance, its stature when you make the claim.

I agree that without faith the Bible is meaningless, and it is not SIMPLY an historical document.

That being said, it is one of the oldest and most historically accurate documents in print.

 

[AAP]

I agree that without faith the Bible is meaningless,

So you are basically agreeing with what I said that the Bible is simply a tool of what you make of it.

 

[heatherrae]

anything...maybe even shave my head and dance with a tamborine if it means not hearing Longhorn talk about George dubbaya Bush all day. ;-)

 

[Longhorn85]

You and I would disagree on the origin of the Bible, and I think you mean the word tool in a deragatory way, so I take issue with that.

Otherwise, yes, I do agree.

Again, the Bible has great historical relevance as well.

 

[HS Lifter]

You and I would disagree on the origin of the Bible, and I think you mean the word tool in a deragatory way, so I take issue with that.

Otherwise, yes, I do agree.

Again, the Bible has great historical relevance as well.

How so?

 

[velvett]

Haven't seen either can't comment...

Some people think the bible and various testiments are fictional works...

 

[Longhorn85]

[/B]

How so?

Not sure if you're being facetious or really don't have enough of a knowledge base to know that the Bible has historical relevance.

Anyway, here's one example.

"It is generally assumed that the Biblical account of the history of the kingdoms of Judah and Israel, as presented in the Books of Kings, is historical, even if not unbiased. Archeological evidence and chronologies of neighboring countries have corroborated the general picture presented in the Bible"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bible_and_history

 

[Sassy69]

Honestly, after all the overblowingness of this whole movie release, I have less & less interest in seeing the movie, but I'm really enjoying the stuff on the History Channel related to "decoding the Da Vinci Code".

And the host, Josh *whatever* is pretty hawt.

 

[bluepeter]

rationalization wouldn't explain open malice towards an entire group of people based soely on their belief system.

reaction formation is more likely.

Interesting that many Christians practice this very fallacy by buying into the fact that if you do not believe in what they do, you're going to hell.

el-oh-el

 

[bluepeter]

Oh and by the way, there is next to nothing in the way of evidence that Jesus ever even existed.

 

[javaguru]

Oh and by the way, there is next to nothing in the way of evidence that Jesus ever even existed.

Outside of of the Bible there is only one reference to Jesus, the Jewish nationalist historian Josephus.

 

[bluepeter]

Outside of of the Bible there is only one reference to Jesus, the Jewish nationalist historian Josephus.

Mr. Flavius who wrote Antiquities at least 80 years after Jesus was purported to have been crucified. Which immediately reduces any validity it may have had. Of course, that doesn't matter because the two mentions of Jesus in the text are highly questionable anyway. One is almost certainly an interpolation, the other likely is.

 

[javaguru]

Mr. Flavius who wrote Antiquities at least 80 years after Jesus was purported to have been crucified. Which immediately reduces any validity it may have had. Of course, that doesn't matter because the two mentions of Jesus in the text are highly questionable anyway. One is almost certainly an interpolation, the other likely is.

Everyone also discounts the countless messiah's who preceded him and had eye witness accounts of their miracles, including raising the dead.

 

[gotmilk]

I'm waiting for Passion of the Christ Part 2.

I figure they have to counter the Code.