Dave Palumbo advice

[ryno9000]

So I'm looking in MD magazine and reading some of Dave Palumbo's "Anabolic Freak" section. His advice on example cycles and PCT is far different than what you will find on this site. I understand that advice on this forum will tend to be one way, as many folks get help here and then repeat that to other newbies and so on, but are there completely different yet equally good ways to run cycles that just are not represented here? I'm interested to hear.

Example 1 from the magazine:
wk 1-8 200mg DECA 3x week
50mg Winstrol 3x week
week 9-16 100mg Tren 3x week
100mg Primo 3x week

PCT example:

Week 1-3: 2,000 IU HCG Mon/Thurs
week 3-4: 100 mg Clomid/day
Week 5-10: 1 mg Arimidex/day


Notice there is no test in his cycle (I'd love to hear about this....I'm not opposed to either viewpoint so have fun with this) and how dumb it seems to run the Arimidex the way he has it. However, I could be wrong and this could be effective. Discuss.

 

[KD1]

Yeah some guys at my gym run no-test cycles, usually DECA based. They seem to have fewer sides as far as water and gyno than most, but do have more cock issues. One guy I know runs HCG throughout, and no test and he has no libido issues.

 

[GUARDIAN]

i just have a problem with no test. i have done it a couple of times and honestly i got better results with it and i felt so much better (drive and overall well being).

I think the HCG dosage is off the charts.

 

[Powerbuilder333]

I'd run a all test cycle before I'd run another no test cycle.
PCT? I'm not a believer anymore.

 

[ryno9000]

i just have a problem with no test. i have done it a couple of times and honestly i got better results with it and i felt so much better (drive and overall well being).

I think the HCG dosage is off the charts.

I was wondering about that, seemed high. But I've heard that more doesn't do anything to help or hinder you. Also 1mg ED of Arimidex? And for Post Cycle? Thats a first for me.

 

[GUARDIAN]

I was wondering about that, seemed high. But I've heard that more doesn't do anything to help or hinder you. Also 1mg ED of Arimidex? And for Post Cycle? Thats a first for me.

Could desensitize leydig cells.

adex or aromasin are fine for pct bc hcg could raise estrogen levels. but u would want to run it at a small dose throughout pct.

 

[GUARDIAN]

I'd run a all test cycle before I'd run another no test cycle.
PCT? I'm not a believer anymore.

do u just stay on or just try to recover naturally?

 

[njmuscleguy]

Not to mention the fact that he's running 16 weeks of nandrolones! Coupled with no test? I can only imagine that recovery would be a bitch! I understand running adex at the end of PCT to prevent estrogen rebound...but 1mg ED for 5 weeks is way overkill.... overall, a poorly designed cycle and PCT IMHO

 

[Nelson Montana]

A: I 'm not sure why people here seem to think test is mandatory. They also seem to think it's the best first cycle and I think it's the worst.

B: I recommended adexx for PCT back in the days when such an idea was considered insane by the resident gurus.

C: I also feel PCT is overrated in that it is not a cure and people tend to overuse anti e's

D: Dave Palumbo is a renegade and his suggestions are applicable to pretty much no one else besides him. You can make up dosages and strange stacks all day long that doesn't mean they're worthy of debate and discussion. It's just filling magazine space.

E: The recommended dosage of HCG is just silly.

 

[mwm5]

A: I 'm not sure why people here seem to think test is mandatory. They also seem to think it's the best first cycle and I think it's the worst.
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please explain....curious. i've been researching for my first cycle.

 

[jacshelb]

If I remember right, that cycle is from the current MD issue. I believe someone wrote in and asked specifically for a no-test cycle. I don't think it's his general advice.

 

[Nelson Montana]

please explain....curious. i've been researching for my first cycle.

Test is suppressive. If you want to get a feel for steroids you could do a little primo and get great results and recover fine with no PCT. The process has become overcomplicated by armchair science wannabees.

 

[glover]

I run many cycle without Test. Recovery is much easier and my dick does not go limp unless I skip PCT. Even then it takes several weeks before it goes limp. I would have to agree also on the fact that PCT is overrated.

The test users swear by it because they are the ones who need it the most.

Twenty years ago we used Deca, without test and no PCT recovered well same applies today, but now if you need help recovering their is something out there.

 

[bigjd69]

You guys also have to remember Dave was in Medical School. He knows his shit. The advice he is giving was probably related to the person's cycle. Also not everybody reacts the same way to certain drugs. What works for me may not work for you.

 

[Nelson Montana]

You guys also have to remember Dave was in Medical School. He knows his shit. The advice he is giving was probably related to the person's cycle. Also not everybody reacts the same way to certain drugs. What works for me may not work for you.

Like you believe those letters are real?

 

[njmuscleguy]

I run many cycle without Test. Recovery is much easier and my dick does not go limp unless I skip PCT. Even then it takes several weeks before it goes limp. I would have to agree also on the fact that PCT is overrated.

The test users swear by it because they are the ones who need it the most.

Twenty years ago we used Deca, without test and no PCT recovered well same applies today, but now if you need help recovering their is something out there.

I know how my body reacts to deca even WITH test and any other ancillaries...decreased libido, ED issues.... I can't begin to imagine (nor do I want to ever find out) how I'd feel without test. And I know I'm far from the only one that feels this way. I would not put my body through the wringer for 8-10 weeks and feel like shit... having a nicer body is not worth torture.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[ryno9000]

If I remember right, that cycle is from the current MD issue. I believe someone wrote in and asked specifically for a no-test cycle. I don't think it's his general advice.

Yeah, someone wrote in inquiring about a low acne cycle. sorry i should have included that part before. still seems retarded. Deca and Tren together is typically a big no no.

 

[mus1cjunk1e]

Yeah, someone wrote in inquiring about a low acne cycle. sorry i should have included that part before. still seems retarded. Deca and Tren together is typically a big no no.

Notice he's not running them together, he's running them back to back. I assume he runs the longer estered deca at the beginning and the shorter estered tren (assuming its ace although I think enanthate is still shorter that decaonate) at the end so that by the time the cycle is over the deca is out of your body.

Also running them together isn't necessarily a no-no anyway, it has to do with how much total nandrolones you are running. Same with 17-aa compounds. Some people freak out if you mention taking 2 17-aa's together like say 50mg var + 50mg winnie a day but that same person has no problem with 100mg winnie a day. If you get my point.

 

[muscleup]

Well it's not like Dave is following his own advice. He most def runs gear most, if not all of the time.

The HCG doseage IMO is retarded.

 

[mrperfect]

What is so silly about the HCG dose Dave reccomends?

A: I 'm not sure why people here seem to think test is mandatory. They also seem to think it's the best first cycle and I think it's the worst.

B: I recommended adexx for PCT back in the days when such an idea was considered insane by the resident gurus.

C: I also feel PCT is overrated in that it is not a cure and people tend to overuse anti e's

D: Dave Palumbo is a renegade and his suggestions are applicable to pretty much no one else besides him. You can make up dosages and strange stacks all day long that doesn't mean they're worthy of debate and discussion. It's just filling magazine space.

E: The recommended dosage of HCG is just silly.

 

[GUARDIAN]

What is so silly about the HCG dose Dave reccomends?

too much

 

[Powerbuilder333]

do u just stay on or just try to recover naturally?

I still run a month of PCT, it just seems to delay the inevitable post cycle crash.
As a bridge between cycles? Might be worth considering.

 

[rudy76]

What is so silly about the HCG dose Dave reccomends?

I think HCG is the most under rated part of any cycle. I ran a 12 week 500 mg / week test cycle and throughout the cycle I used 7000iu's of HCG. 1000iu's every 2 weeks.

I had no recovery issues although to say it was because of the HCG I don't know but I have a gut feeling it was. PCT was only Nolva, Clomid and Derma.

The same way my balls ached when the test began to shut them down the HCG also gave a noticable feeling. Now, about 10 weeks after my cycle I feel better than I did before my cycle / have more sex drive.

You often see guys come on here and say how a doctor has prescribed them 5000iu's HCG per week for fertility treatment - I don't think HCG is as LH supressing as we all think.

 

[702daswoll1]

Alot of Clomid too.

 

[galaxy]

I think they sell it in 5000iu amps for a reason myself.

 

[lartinos]

The guy is brilliant, but I have far different views of how to run anabolics.
His diet and most everything else I listen to every damn word the guy says to a T.
He knows his shit!