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Cypionate vs Enanthate vs sustanon...

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snobben

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I can´t decide wich test i will do in my next cycle. Some say test is test but is there any difference at all, let´s say between sust and cypionate. My friends says that cypionate is stronger and more anabolic. Is that true?

Please help me choose which test would be the best for serious growth.
 
You are right test is test the only difference is the ester used. I have used sust, cyp, enanth, and prop and made good gains using all. As for your friends opinion of cyp, he either doesn't know what he is talking about or he is just fucking w/you.
 
Amp for amp, cypionate is stronger. Sus works fine, but is overrated in my opinion. The blend of esters... well anyway there are way too many threads on this so I'll stop there. Point being cyp is a single ester and thus more predictable than sus, and stronger amp for amp.
 
Here we go again with the test is test questions. TEST IS TEST.

The only difference is the esther. Sustanon has 4 different esthers in it, which also counts for the total mgs.

Use prop shoot ED
Use ENTh or Cyp shoot 2 times a week.

Use sustanon and who the hell knows. Shoot it once a week and you loose 30 mg of prop. Shoot it ED and you mid as well be using prop.

TEST IS TEST once the esther is gone.

Nautica
 
I agree with the comment regarding "test is test", since the only real difference is the ester, but test will react differently in different people. I've used Cyp, Sust, Enanthate, and Propionate. For *me*, Sustanon worked the best. When I use sust, there is no need to go on a cutting cycle because sust actually gives me striations and rips-up my body like it's going out of style or some shit. It's true.

Cyp is good, but it gave me mostly a rounded look. Enanthate had pretty much the same effects that sust did, and propionate is a waste of money unless you enjoy shooting yourself EOD.

SAF
 
Test is Test.... Get the one thats cheaper. Usually cyp or eth.
SUST is overated.

Prop is my favorite due to the least water retention.
 
SAF said:
I agree with the comment regarding "test is test", since the only real difference is the ester, but test will react differently in different people. I've used Cyp, Sust, Enanthate, and Propionate. For *me*, Sustanon worked the best. When I use sust, there is no need to go on a cutting cycle because sust actually gives me striations and rips-up my body like it's going out of style or some shit. It's true.

Cyp is good, but it gave me mostly a rounded look. Enanthate had pretty much the same effects that sust did, and propionate is a waste of money unless you enjoy shooting yourself EOD.

SAF
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Actually, when I used prop. I shot ED.

But maybe your experience with sustanon was better because it was actually a better grade of test (ex. human grade vs. vet) Or may you shots were not timed like they should be with the others. Also, don't for get that most prop is only 50 mgs so they must be compared mg for mg of test not counting the esther.

Nautica

But then again you are correct in saying that everyone is different and will react different.
 
nautica said:


Badazzwhite dude I will 2nd you one more time with the same quote, I made on that thread.



"Great post. Seems like everytime I try to explain why sustanon is inferior to test with single esthers I get flamed. "

Nautica
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Facts are the facts bro'. Can't argue with the facts. :)
 
SAF said:
I agree with the comment regarding "test is test", since the only real difference is the ester, but test will react differently in different people. I've used Cyp, Sust, Enanthate, and Propionate. For *me*, Sustanon worked the best. When I use sust, there is no need to go on a cutting cycle because sust actually gives me striations and rips-up my body like it's going out of style or some shit. It's true.

Cyp is good, but it gave me mostly a rounded look. Enanthate had pretty much the same effects that sust did, and propionate is a waste of money unless you enjoy shooting yourself EOD.

SAF
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I think when people say that they react differently to "different" kinds of test, they ignore other factors involved. The obvious are diet, sleep, and training differences.

But the less obvious thing, that many people don't even think of is the timing of the cycle. To accurately compare the different tests, you have to do cycles at the same time of year. Your body has many rhythms that affect everything about your body, especially hormone levels.

To accurately compare the tests, you must do your cycles at the same time in your circannual rhythm (seasonal). As well as your other rhythms (circadian, untradian, infradian, tidal, cellular, etc...)

So basically, it's not really accurate to say that because you react differently to tests with different esters, that the tests are in fact different.
 
Bulldog_10 said:


I think when people say that they react differently to "different" kinds of test, they ignore other factors involved. The obvious are diet, sleep, and training differences.

But the less obvious thing, that many people don't even think of is the timing of the cycle. To accurately compare the different tests, you have to do cycles at the same time of year. Your body has many rhythms that affect everything about your body, especially hormone levels.

To accurately compare the tests, you must do your cycles at the same time in your circannual rhythm (seasonal). As well as your other rhythms (circadian, untradian, infradian, tidal, cellular, etc...)

So basically, it's not really accurate to say that because you react differently to tests with different esters, that the tests are in fact different.
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Another very good point .
 
An endless and pointless debate which will propably go on for another 100 years in gyms and on boards like these.
 
definately sust ive tried them all and sust is awesome. i dont know what kind of sust you guys are taking to say its averated but if you go with cytaho you will love it.
 
test is test but when it comes down to enanthate, cypionate, and sustanon the only difference is that sustanon is a blend of 4 tests and the other two are basically the same except the half life of cypionate is longer than enanthate.
 
Baddass explained it well in his other thread.

I have used both and I don't think sust is inferior. In fact I loved it. You don't "lose" anything no matter when you inject it, but you need to keep in mind that most of the test in sust will be de-estrified over a longer period than with cyp or ethanate. As badass explained, you need a larger initial dose of sust to get the same effective blood level. However, this level will be maintained for a longer period than with eth. Therefore, with sust it is more important to "front load", and the optimal way to do that is probably to do injections at least eod in the beginning. Frequent injections minimize blood level spikes.

In my next cycle I am starting with 2000 mgs. of sust in week 1, followed by 4 weeks of 1000 mgs. each week. This provides a strong base of test that will self taper over the next several weeks. I then switch to cyp for 3 weeks. The final 2 weeks I use prop. It is all timed to leave my system entirely in week 11 so I can start clomid effectively in week 12.
 
sausage said:
definately sust ive tried them all and sust is awesome. i dont know what kind of sust you guys are taking to say its averated but if you go with cytaho you will love it.
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Wait until you have been in the game a while and have thrown away a couple of extra $1000 on the 4 esthers thrown into the sust., then you may have a different story.

Nautica
 
When I was younger I used to take 600mg sus. once a week shot (Doh!), when I got my hands on Enanthate I didn't know what hit me It was unreal the difference. I havent tried Sustanon eod but I imagine its the only way it can be effective.
 
Sustanon is my fav bulking testosterone. 500-750mg a week works wonders. A great tip with sustanon- try adding 50-100mg of prop to each sustanon shot for the first 3 weeks EOD shots at 750 with a lil prop at the start of ur cycle = BOOM!!!!! Mass attack!
 
nautica said:
Here we go again with the test is test questions. TEST IS TEST.

The only difference is the esther. Sustanon has 4 different esthers in it, which also counts for the total mgs.

Use prop shoot ED
Use ENTh or Cyp shoot 2 times a week.

Use sustanon and who the hell knows. Shoot it once a week and you loose 30 mg of prop. Shoot it ED and you mid as well be using prop.

TEST IS TEST once the esther is gone.

Nautica
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Let me ask you this. If you shoot prop, a 3 day ester, every day, then when would you shoot test acetate? Every 12 hours? And when would you shoot test suspension, every hour on the hour? I thought you knew about esters...
 
Unit 2005 said:
Sustanon is my fav bulking testosterone. 500-750mg a week works wonders. A great tip with sustanon- try adding 50-100mg of prop to each sustanon shot for the first 3 weeks EOD shots at 750 with a lil prop at the start of ur cycle = BOOM!!!!! Mass attack!
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Sus contains prop. That initital kick is the only advantage. Adding more is just...more.
 
Dont mistake bloat gains for strength...
 
I think there have been numerous people on this thread that have explained what the difference is. Its just the esters. If you don't know what an ester is, then it would probably be a good idea to research these substances more before you start asking others to explain it for you.
 
Nelson Montana said:
Sus contains prop. That initital kick is the only advantage. Adding more is just...more.
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Yes but there is a tiny (30mg) amount in each amp. Unless you are using higer dosages, you wont really get the initial benefit of the fast acting ester. By adding additional prop you get results within the first 3 weeks and then by the time you stop, the longer esters will have kicked in and results will keep on comming. Easier on the liver then dbol too.
 
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