cycling soon, is forma enough while on

[Memnoch76]

I have taken the advice of many of you and this is what I have been able to construct:

1-10 350mg sustanon (split into two injects Mon and Thura)
1-4 30mg dbol ed (10mg taken 3 times a day)
7-10 30mg stanozolol ed (winny)
1-4 N2Guard
6-10 HCGenerate
1-10 forma stanzol 5 pumps am, 5 pumps pm

PCT
13-16 Clomid 25/25/25/25
13-16 unleashed/post cycle combo
13-16 Forma Stanzol

Is the forma enough on cycle to control estrogen levels with this cycle? Any comments or adjustments you feel I should make let me know. This will be my first Stacked cycle, I have done a low dose test cyp cycle previously.

stats:
36
185lbs
5'7"
15% BF
will be eating 2600 calories on cycle. 320g protein, 360g carbs, 50-60g fats
training split will be chest/tris, back/bis, delts/traps, quads/hams then rest 1 day. I will mix in cardio, core, and calves as needed to bring them up.

I will be adding a good multi, 5gr fish oil, and plenty of protein blends, glutamine and BCAA's. Stuff that should be done whether on cycle or not really. maybe some creatine too.

Fire away.

 

[timetogethuge1940]

your test dosages isn't too high, so it most likely will be alright. would think about keeping some adex or something on hand just in case. also you will want to run the n2guard along side the winney aswell at the end of the cycle. test, dbol, and winnie is a very basic but excellent stack. wish u the best of luck !!

 

[Memnoch76]

Thanks. I will most likely get some liquidex for my rats once chemical need gets more stock. I missed the August sale. I have a few weeks before blastoff, i should be able to get it by then.

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[timetogethuge1940]

yeah, i wouldn't worry about rushing it. if i was doing that cycle i wouldn't even bother with any kind of estrogen blocker.. but its also better to be safe than sorry. if u do end up needing it, it wont be for a few weeks into the cycle so u have plenty of time.

i didn't see in your post of what your goal is.. if u want to cut up, bulk up, or a little of both. really with this cycle you can do any of them. you may want to adjust your macros a little bit in your diet. 360 grams of carbs seems like a lot, and when running gear u want to make sure your consuming enough fat. just think about those based on what you want to accomplish. good luck sir !!

 

[needtogetaas]

Deff run N2guard throughout this entire cycle. As for forma being enough on its own I would not say its all by its lonesome imo. The Winny also acts as a estrogen and prolactin reducer my friend as do all DHT derived steroids like it. So weeks 7-10 the forma is getting some help from the winny... IMO though i feel you should save the forma for just pct and run liquid stan/aromasin 12.5mg every other day during the cycle instead.

1-10 350mg sustanon (split into two injects Mon and Thura)
1-4 30mg dbol ED (10mg taken 3 times a day)
7-10 30mg stanozolol ED (winny)
1-10 N2Guard
1-4 and 8-12 HCGenerate (other way is fine but this option would be even better)
1-10 liquid stan/aromasine 12.5mg every other day
PCT
12-18 forma-stanzol 5 pumps am and pm the first 4 weeks then drop down to 3 and 3 the last 2 weeks
12-16 unleashed and post cycle 1 cap 3 times a day of each
14-18 forged post cycle full dose am and pm
18-22 bridge 1 cap 3 times a day and or sarms s-4 25mg am and pm (optional post pct cycle)

This is how I would run the cycle my friend ^^^^^^^^^^^^

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[dylangemelli]

Deff run N2guard throughout this entire cycle. As for forma being enough on its own I would not say its all by its lonesome imo. The Winny also acts as a estrogen and prolactin reducer my friend as do all DHT derived steroids like it. So weeks 7-10 the forma is getting some help from the winny... IMO though i feel you should save the forma for just pct and run liquid stan/aromasin 12.5mg every other day during the cycle instead.

1-10 350mg sustanon (split into two injects Mon and Thura)
1-4 30mg dbol ED (10mg taken 3 times a day)
7-10 30mg stanozolol ED (winny)
1-10 N2Guard
1-4 and 8-12 HCGenerate (other way is fine but this option would be even better)
1-10 liquid stan/aromasine 12.5mg every other day
PCT
12-18 forma-stanzol 5 pumps am and pm the first 4 weeks then drop down to 3 and 3 the last 2 weeks
12-16 unleashed and post cycle 1 cap 3 times a day of each
14-18 forged post cycle full dose am and pm
18-22 bridge 1 cap 3 times a day and or sarms s-4 25mg am and pm (optional post pct cycle)

This is how I would run the cycle my friend ^^^^^^^^^^^^

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i completely agree with my good friend here... =) I would go with aromasin 12.5 mg eod on cycle, save forma for pct... at the very least, you need to be running an ai with dbol...

your winnie dose was too low as you laid it out... 50 mg at least on winnie and you may want to consider forged joint repair as well because you will probably have some joint pain from winnie... otherwise it looks pretty good... you could start hcgenerate a few weeks earlier if you want as well...

 

[needtogetaas]

i completely agree with my good friend here... =) I would go with aromasin 12.5 mg eod on cycle, save forma for pct... at the very least, you need to be running an ai with dbol...

your winnie dose was too low as you laid it out... 50 mg at least on winnie and you may want to consider forged joint repair as well because you will probably have some joint pain from winnie... otherwise it looks pretty good... you could start hcgenerate a few weeks earlier if you want as well...

I would agree with the winny dose as well. Surprised I misted that

 

[Memnoch76]

Thanks for the great input gentlemen. I will go for the liquid stane instead of the liquidex and run it as described Needto. Of course that product is sold out due to the August sale as well. August is going to produce many a happy lab rat! I will up the winnie dose to 50 mg a day Dylan, I was just trying to keep doses low for my first stack to see how my body handles it. Steve had posted that 50 mg gave him headaches so he backed it down and they went away. I get migraines occasionally and dont really want to trigger one. I will start at 50 though and see how it goes. I take clucosamine-chondrotin for joint support now so I should be good there? As for my macros Timeto, I usually shoot for about 2g of carbs per pound when trying to add bulk, but your point is taken! I do want to trim some body fat also so I will adjust to 1-1.5 and see how it treats me. I will up the fats to 90-100g, will that suffice? I will get my fats from olive oils, avacado and things of this nature.

If I can gain 15 retainable pounds of muscle and shed 3-4% body fat I will be a happy guy. I am dedicated to making this work! As is probably the case with all of you, while most of America spent their holiday eating junk at picnics, I spent my day off with an extra hour in the gym!

 

[needtogetaas]

sounds great..

 

[Jack steel]

is winny not taken 2x a day? It has an 8 hour max half life, correct? So 25mg x 2 ED?If that's the case, then technically you're only holding 25mg at a time aren't you? So 50 mg a day doesn't necessarily mean that you must have 50mg in your system at the same time, correct? I know this is just word games, but it confuses the shit out of me at times. Am i wrong on this?

 

[needtogetaas]

is winny not taken 2x a day? It has an 8 hour max half life, correct? So 25mg x 2 ED?If that's the case, then technically you're only holding 25mg at a time aren't you? So 50 mg a day doesn't necessarily mean that you must have 50mg in your system at the same time, correct? I know this is just word games, but it confuses the shit out of me at times. Am i wrong on this?

yes all orals have a 8-12 hour half life at max thus should be taken twice a day at the very least and 3 times a day is best..

 

[Memnoch76]

Going to be a slight change in plans. Online source I ordered my test from got squirrly and asked me to change the WU recipients name. That raised a flag for me so I reversed it and got my money back. I did find a source that shipped me 50mg clomid that arrived today! They will be able to provide me with Test E and he accepts paypal, the whole WU thing makes me nervous. Through research I have found that it is ok to mix test, because test is test. What I want to do is mix 250mg enth with 100mg sustanon. My question is, is there a benefit to kickstarting with dbol when using sustanon? Sustanon has some fast acting esters in it so is the dbol kicker needed? I am still planning on pinning twice a week to try to keep blood levels as stable as possible. Thoughts?

 

[muscleaddiction]

yes all orals have a 8-12 hour half life at max thus should be taken twice a day at the very least and 3 times a day is best..

Exactly...which is why I take them every 8 hours.

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