Cycle WITHOUT test ? what is the problem ?

[michaelChicago]

less synovial fluid in your joints ?
increase collagen synthesis ?
less strength ?

the problems of a cycle without test ?

in my next preparation i think make a cycle without test , for example 300 mg of primo + 300 mg of bolde , with winstrol depot + oxa.

 

[hog#head#cheese]

WHY,And less strength is just plain silly

 

[Chubbosaurus]

There is no problem really; lots of people on message boards just repeat what they themselves have read over and over ("NO TEST, NO CYCLE!") without any knowledge or experience on the matter.

 

[hog#head#cheese]

There is no problem really; lots of people on message boards just repeat what they themselves have read over and over ("NO TEST, NO CYCLE!") without any knowledge or experience on the matter.

Stick with the tried and proven people don't make this shit up but every noob wants to skip around it

 

[DannoMight]

I have a coup[le friends who don't use test or as little as possible in their cycles. its all in what works for you or personal preferences. per say if youre a few weeks into your cycle and you either can't get an erection of any other non test sides then you'll know to add some test or possibly proviron. thats all.

 

[needtogetarmy]

I've done winny and EQ / test free cycles and the results were what I wanted.

It all depends on what your goals are.

 

[michaelChicago]

yes, test is important for your "head"

but the sides ... are important

bolde or primo ,help to joints ?

 

[Nelson Montana]

Stick with the tried and proven people don't make this shit up but every noob wants to skip around it

Actually there is not tried and proven methods -- only fashions.

Arnold didn't use it. Worked pretty well for him.

Test is the perfect adjunct because it's cheap and effective, and essentially the basis of all steroids anyway. But it's not as if other combos won't work.

Try a Primo/dbol cycle and tell me it isn't any good.

 

[Varga]

Personal preference for sure. Test also tends to grow hair fast which some ppl do not appreciate and I kind of started to feel the same way too.

 

[OMEGA]

Yes NO Test = roll of the dice

using other compounds WILL shut you down, and Test is such a Foundational hormone

so shut down Test even in the presence of Anabolics could = issues

 

[blackthunder]

lets see if DRRMAN chimes in here. I know he has done several cycles w/o test with great results.

 

[eddymerckx]

agree--personal preference--i prefer test only or test and one other compound--the simple ones work for me. that said, i think a 1st cycle should be test.

 

[Ross]

You guys should not be using Anabolic Steroids or legal Designer Steroids/Prohormones without including either Testosterone or Proviron in your cycle; this is STEROIDS 101. Side-effects resulting from androgen defiency such as sexual dysfunction and depression can occur, and often-times do.

Doing a cycle of 1-AD or Superdrol by itself is like doing Winstrol or Deca by themselves; you will have suboptimal gains with significant sides from androgen deficiency.

Just because some of these new designer steroids are LEGAL steroids does not mean the rules have changed. Testosterone should be the BASE of all anabolic steroids cycles for OPTIMAL gains.

 

[KnockedOutFAST]

So everyone needs to stick themselves with test if they want to do a bottle of prohormones?

 

[Ross]

So everyone needs to stick themselves with test if they want to do a bottle of prohormones?

ABSO-FUCKING-LUTELY!

These "prohormones"(precursors) and designer steroids(active steroids) are JUST as powerful and effective as the classical anabolic steroids. There is NO DIFFERENCE WHATSOEVER.

So, just like everyone needs to stick themselves if they want to do some DBOL or Winstrol, same goes for Superdrol and Epistane. The rules don't change, don't be naive. Just because they are LEGAL does not mean they are any different chemically.

 

[KnockedOutFAST]

ABSO-FUCKING-LUTELY!

These "prohormones"(precursors) and designer steroids(active steroids) are JUST as powerful and effective as the classical anabolic steroids. There is NO DIFFERENCE WHATSOEVER.

So, just like everyone needs to stick themselves if they want to do some DBOL or Winstrol, same goes for Superdrol and Epistane. The rules don't change, don't be naive. Just because they are LEGAL does not mean they are any different chemically.

Got it, but a lot of people take prohormones because they are legal. So chemically speaking it doesnt really matter, but i guess it makes sense to do 4 weeks of test prop with a bottle of cyclotren

 

[Ross]

Got it, but a lot of people take prohormones because they are legal. So chemically speaking it doesnt really matter, but i guess it makes sense to do 4 weeks of test prop with a bottle of cyclotren

Yup.

 

[Chubbosaurus]

I'm new here... what does the "OWNED by the Platinum Members" mean? He's banned?

 

[michaelChicago]

ABSO-FUCKING-LUTELY!

These "prohormones"(precursors) and designer steroids(active steroids) are JUST as powerful and effective as the classical anabolic steroids. There is NO DIFFERENCE WHATSOEVER.

So, just like everyone needs to stick themselves if they want to do some DBOL or Winstrol, same goes for Superdrol and Epistane. The rules don't change, don't be naive. Just because they are LEGAL does not mean they are any different chemically.

which can be used only ?

primo ? EQ ?

I thought ... 300 primo + 300 bolde and finish with wins depot.