Cycle Critique

[FLmuscles]

Hello Fellow Muscleheads,

Well here is another of those typical requests for your input on a cycle. For background, this is my 4th cycle ever. The last two cycles were Dianabol and Test. Enathate, which produced some nice gains, but I tend to lose alot of my weight gains after the cycle. (I gained 15 pounds on the last cycle, and lost 8 of those afterwards, although it appears to have been mostly water loss, as I am now really cut and vascular.) I am 5' 11", 202# right now, and as I say, quite lean.

I've tended to lean towards the conservative side with doses in the past, to minimize side effects, and I've done 8-week cycles, and I also train very hard. On this cycle, I am aiming for some big gains--is 225# out of question for me this time?--and so I have upped the doses and am planning a 12-week cycle. My primary objective is adding lots of lean body mass; if I gain some water weight and get a bit bloated, that's ok, since, as I mentioned, I tend to lean right back down anyway, although I do want to minimze any real mass losses after the cycle.

Here's my planned cycle. This will deplete all of my gear, so if you have suggestions for increasing any doses, it will have to be a shorter cycle. What do you think--too much, not enough, too long?? ANY INPUT WILL BE GREATLY APPRECIATED! Thanks in advance (BTW, the test. I have this time is labeled "cyprionata de Testerona," 25mg/ml, from Mexico.)

WEEK 1: D-bol, 20 mg/day Test., 500 mg/wk
WEEK 2: D-bol, 40 mg/day Test., 750 mg/wk
WEEK 3: D-bol, 50 mg/day Test., 1000 mg/wk
WEEK 4: D-bol, 60 mg/day Test., 1000 mg/wk Deca, 400 mg/wk
WEEK 5: D-bol, 60 mg/day Test., 1000 mg/wk Deca, 600 mg/wk
WEEK 6: D-bol, 40 mg/day Test., 1000 mg/wk Deca, 600 mg/wk
WEEKS 7-11: Test., 1000 mg/wk Deca, 800 mg/wk
WEEK 12: Test., 500 mg/wk Deca, 400 mg/wk

I plan on starting Chlomid two weeks after the last Test. injection, using 300mg the first day, then 100 mg/day for a week, then 50 mg/day for another week. I also have Nolvaedx to take as needed during the cycle.

THANKS AGAIN!

 

[Rickson]

I don't understand why you are pyramiding your dosages up and down. There is no advantage to that. I would make this a ten week cycle run your dosages at a constant through out. I would only run the D-bol for the first 4 weeks. I would run the deca from the beginning of the cycle. If you don't want water gain then get liquidex and if you are susceptible to PR gyno better have some winny on hand.

 

[decem]

yeah... no taper.. and starting the deca in week 4 would do absolutely dick for you as it takes 3 - 4 weeks to kick in..


why not something like this..

test 1000mg wks 1-10
dbol 40mg wks 1-5
deca 400-500mg wks 1-10
liquidex .5 - 1 mg ed
winny or ru486 on hand..

that would most definitely get you to 225.. probably more like 235..

 

[FLmuscles]

Thanks for the input, Guys. I guess I am still thinking old-school with the ramping up and down on the doses, like my older brother did in the 80's. As I understand it, one should still ramp up somewhat with short-acting steroids, like d-bol. How about this for my cycle:

Week 1: D-bol, 40 mg/day Test., 1000 mg/wk Deca, 400 mg/wk
Weeks 2-5: D-bol, 50 mg/day Test., 1000mg/wk Deca, 500mg/wk
Weeks 6-10: Test., 1000 mg/wk Deca, 500 mg/wk

Follow cycle with Chlomid, as mentioned above.

THANKS AGAIN for the input!

 

[Willyumyum]

what dose of test did you use last time? I DOUBT you will need 1000mg of test to make good gains after 3 cycles, and IMO, it's a waste if you don't need it... I would front load the test for the first two weeks at 1250mg and then run it at 500-750mg for the next 8 weeks. As for the Dbol, keep it FLAT at 40 or 50mg/day for weeks 1-5, keep the rest like decem said... Dont be tapering the dosages like that it doesnt help you....

so to recap:
test 1250mg/week weeks 1-2
test 500-750mg/week weeks 3-10
Dbol 40-50mg/day weeks 1-5
deca 400-500mg/week weeks 1-10
liquidex .5 - 1mg ed (or EOD is fine too)
winny and/ru486 on hand for the progesterone gyno possibility..

YUM

 

[manny78]

agree in part with Willyumyum, run the winny 50 mg ED for the last 4 weeks of your cycle. Good luck.

 

[FLmuscles]

Last time I pyramidded too, peaking at 600 mg Test/wk and 40 mg D-bol/day for a feww weeks, with no Deca.

THis time, I'll foget that pyramid, and plan a cycle as mentioned above. But why go all the way up to 1250 mg Test the first two weeks? I haven't heard of doing that too commonly. Considering I do that, I would then plan on 750 mg/wk for weeks 8-10.

I have Nolvadex on hand to use as needed.

Thanks Again!

 

[Rickson]

The reason for running the high dose of Test at the beginning is to get a high concentration of the drug in your blood stream quickly thus keeping blood levels more constant and making it faster acting (Frontloading.) However I usually don't do this when I run D-bol at the beginning of a cycle but many swear by it.