Cross'n Over 1st Cycle (HELP)

[BicepHead]

Whats up guys. I know I'm like the tenth guy today to post for cycle advice, but its been along time come'n and i need the feedback.

29 next month, about 214 (around 6 LBS leaner than my profile pic) lift 4/5 times a week with 3/4 days of 30/45 min light cardio. Been in the gym on and off since like 14. Diet is pretty solid, i dont have a break down of calorie intake but is low carb hight protein....only real down fall is beer,

on hand:
(2) Trenabol Depot - each 10ML
(1) Stanzolic Winstrol 50- 30Ml

Should i/can i run this for my first cycle? Should i run just one? Add Test?....Head is spin'n with all the random info ive been reading. thats Y I'm throw'n it by u guys b4 i start. Once i get a good idea whats good for me i'll research it more, would like to get started around a week from today if i need to grab anything else. If i can get started with this i'd like to hit it up Monday

Nothing for post looking for suggestions

Goal - Cut and Trim while add'n lean muscle (rather not retain extra water if possible)

Concerns - massive hair loss

BHead

 

[enacer420nj]

Re: Cross

Tren aint a beginners compound bro...post up your diet lets start there what you eating?

 

[BicepHead]

Re: Cross

Tren aint a beginners compound bro...post up your diet lets start there what you eating?

Protein shake in the am
Followed shortly by fruit, I'll grab a banna, apple or orange and take it to the office.
Another Protein shake around 10am (protein blend)
Foreman grilled Chicken with rice& veggies at lunch (12) home cooked
Baked Almonds around (3)with Chicapeas from wegmans
5 Oclock i had Tunna with 3 eggwhites chopp'd into (tunna in water) One i ate on wheat bread the rest on the side without bread.
Shake 30 mins b4 chest/Tri work out today around 7pm
workout
Shake right after
cajun Turkey Sandwich at 830 on wheat(with pickles only on it)
Will drink a blend right at bed time

Thats a snap shot and pretty tipical day for me. I would cut the shakes if i had more time.

 

[RADAR]

For starters a Testosterone only cycle is reccommended for a first cycle.

I would also make a note to keep a log of all your meals you may not be eating like you think and gosh sakes cut the beer out ,AAS stresses the kidneys enough without throwing in alcohol,besides it inhibits gains!


RADAR

 

[BicepHead]

For starters a Testosterone only cycle is reccommended for a first cycle.

I would also make a note to keep a log of all your meals you may not be eating like you think and gosh sakes cut the beer out ,AAS stresses the kidneys enough without throwing in alcohol,besides it inhibits gains!


RADAR

Sucks that i dont have test right now, cause i would have no problem just run'n that.

is there any way to make what i have work? small amounts or just run one of them?

I'll start taking note on my diet both for accurate advice and for me. I Plan on take'n weekly pics and log'n gains.

I knew getting this stuff was going to be bitter sweet cause i know im going to have to cut booze out for my program, ive know that for along time

 

[RADAR]

Sucks that i dont have test right now, cause i would have no problem just run'n that.

is there any way to make what i have work? small amounts or just run one of them?

I'll start taking note on my diet both for accurate advice and for me. I Plan on take'n weekly pics and log'n gains.

I knew getting this stuff was going to be bitter sweet cause i know im going to have to cut booze out for my program, ive know that for along time

You could do Winstrol, but not the tren until you run a few cycles of testosterone that way you can see how your body reacts to the compound, Winny alone isn't what i reccommend, but if you have those then Winstrol would be the one to run.
Save the Tren for the 3-4th cycle


RADAR

 

[burnthiscorpse]

First cycle, TEST only. Maybe kickstart with an oral if you like.
You gotta revamp that diet bro. Tooooooooo many shakes. I used to be "shake guy" too. You said the word "office" so you probably have a busy schedule and its a pain in the ass to eat right. You need to repalace all those shakes except your post w/o one with meat. Now you probably know that.
If you have to have shakes as I did at one time, try this to make them a little more filling. Add 1-2 tbsp of natty PB to them. Add a cup of oats. That makes for a fat ass shake. Good carbs, good fats, lots of protein. You can sip it over time too cause they are real high in calories.
Hope that helps.
Definatley though, dont try tren for a first time. It "could" end up being a bad experience with sides that your not ready for and may ruin a good experience for you. Just test alone "should" be side effect free for the most part. I say "should"

 

[BicepHead]

You could do Winstrol, but not the tren until you run a few cycles of testosterone that way you can see how your body reacts to the compound, Winny alone isn't what i reccommend, but if you have those then Winstrol would be the one to run.
Save the Tren for the 3-4th cycle


RADAR

I understand and respect that in regards to not reccommend'n just winny but helping me work with what i have. thanks for that

If i can get my hands on test what kind should i get and could i use that with the win?

 

[burnthiscorpse]

I understand and respect that in regards to not reccommend'n just winny but helping me work with what i have. thanks for that

If i can get my hands on test what kind should i get and could i use that with the win?

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[BicepHead]

First cycle, TEST only. Maybe kickstart with an oral if you like.
You gotta revamp that diet bro. Tooooooooo many shakes. I used to be "shake guy" too. You said the word "office" so you probably have a busy schedule and its a pain in the ass to eat right. You need to repalace all those shakes except your post w/o one with meat. Now you probably know that.
If you have to have shakes as I did at one time, try this to make them a little more filling. Add 1-2 tbsp of natty PB to them. Add a cup of oats. That makes for a fat ass shake. Good carbs, good fats, lots of protein. You can sip it over time too cause they are real high in calories.
Hope that helps.
Definatley though, dont try tren for a first time. It "could" end up being a bad experience with sides that your not ready for and may ruin a good experience for you. Just test alone "should" be side effect free for the most part. I say "should"

Yeah Burn ur right about the office and not having enough time in the day to eat right for sure. To be honest i have recently cut out sugar from my diet about 2months about, i might drink and icetea with dinner for a treat once and a while, but anyhow ever since i cut sugar out all the protein shakes make me feel like im cheating...cause they are so sweet. I'll work on it gotta cut down on them just way to easy and quick. I gotta try the nat PB and Oats, i like both and never tried

Hey if i can get my hands on Test would you reccommend i use it with the win?

 

[BicepHead]

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[RADAR]

I understand and respect that in regards to not reccommend'n just winny but helping me work with what i have. thanks for that

If i can get my hands on test what kind should i get and could i use that with the win?

Unless you like Every day painful jabs Test Prop, I prefer test Cyp or Eth.2 sticks twice wk and it is not even close to being as painful as prop.
Yes Run that with the Winny, If you're able to get some, pm me and i will be happy to set you up a how to run cycle, complete with ancillaries & PCT.



RADAR

 

[BicepHead]

What could i expect from Test only first cycle? will that alone help me shred a lil?

 

[RADAR]

What could i expect from Test only first cycle? will that alone help me shred a lil?

Diet Is the key to shredding,not steroids.


You can do a bulker with test or a cutter it boils down to diet!
RADAR

 

[BicepHead]

Unless you like Every day painful jabs Test Prop, I prefer test Cyp or Eth.2 sticks twice wk and it is not even close to being as painful as prop.
Yes Run that with the Winny, If you're able to get some, pm me and i will be happy to set you up a how to run cycle, complete with ancillaries & PCT.



RADAR

Thats my game plan then i have to wait 6 or 7 days but no prob getting the test. I'll look at Cyp and Eth to add to the win. (can you reccommend one?)If i can hold the tren i will, worst case i'll have to trade for the test

To be honest i was probably given the wrong info, my buddy who i played highschool ball with swore by the ten told me that its like ten times better than test....thats y im checking, im not going to poke till i feel 100 percent comfortable.

Oh and thanks for the invite on the PM. Means alot that you would take the time to help out

Elite all the WaY!!

 

[burnthiscorpse]

Yes test will "help" you burn fat. But it wont do it all by itself. I would also NOT recomend prop for a first timer. Its great stuff, but a super giant pain in the ass!! My recomendation is either sustanon or test E twice a week. 400-500mg/wk split into two injects as Radar said. I know the sustanon mob will say NO WAY sust has to be EOD but I did it for a first cycle. 250mg once a week. I loved it.
You wont be dissapointed with just test for a first run unless your diet sucks.
Maybe look into a small dose of d-bol or t-bol to kickstart it with for the first 4 weeks.

 

[BicepHead]

Yes test will "help" you burn fat. But it wont do it all by itself. I would also NOT recomend prop for a first timer. Its great stuff, but a super giant pain in the ass!! My recomendation is either sustanon or test E twice a week. 400-500mg/wk split into two injects as Radar said. I know the sustanon mob will say NO WAY sust has to be EOD but I did it for a first cycle. 250mg once a week. I loved it.
You wont be dissapointed with just test for a first run unless your diet sucks.
Maybe look into a small dose of d-bol or t-bol to kickstart it with for the first 4 weeks.

LOL to the part where you think the sustanon mob will say "NO WAY"

Dbol or Tbol with the test and winn?

 

[burnthiscorpse]

Because of Winny and its effects on joints I will never run it. So I cant really advise you to take something that I would never touch. Plus it will fuck your lipid profile all sideways. Ask Needto about that one.
I am feeling your like I was a long time ago, You wanna run alot or a few different things. I promise its not needed. I would leave the winstrol out. Just see how you respond to the test for the first time. You might get some sides while on test and winny and you wont know whats causing it. If you wait till your second cycle and winny gives you sides then you can say hey, I know this isnt from the test.
Tren is great but you need to learn about it. Yes its about 5 times as powerful as test. But if you get gyno from it what do you take? A-dex? NO, nolva? NO. If you run it without a test base it will shut you down real hard(well it likely will). Hence why you need test. Whenever you decide to use tren, know your shit about it first so you are prepared.

 

[RADAR]

Make no mistake about it, tren is powerful but it comes at a price,It will shut you down hard, limp noodle, so unless you're willing to pay the piper ,research & research more!


Not a good first cycle choice! But! i Guess your friend will learn that the hard way!


Good luck my friend!

RADAR

 

[enacer420nj]

Before you start you need to improve your diet. Too many damned shakes. Radar is right getting "shredded" will be determined by your diet. At your weight a clean 3-4k calories would do you good. replace some of those shakes with other lean protein sources turkey,chix,eggs etc.

 

[BicepHead]

Because of Winny and its effects on joints I will never run it. So I cant really advise you to take something that I would never touch. Plus it will fuck your lipid profile all sideways. Ask Needto about that one.
I am feeling your like I was a long time ago, You wanna run alot or a few different things. I promise its not needed. I would leave the winstrol out. Just see how you respond to the test for the first time. You might get some sides while on test and winny and you wont know whats causing it. If you wait till your second cycle and winny gives you sides then you can say hey, I know this isnt from the test.
Tren is great but you need to learn about it. Yes its about 5 times as powerful as test. But if you get gyno from it what do you take? A-dex? NO, nolva? NO. If you run it without a test base it will shut you down real hard(well it likely will). Hence why you need test. Whenever you decide to use tren, know your shit about it first so you are prepared.

Good looking out Burn, After talking to you guys and some additional research im not gunna touch the tren rather not jack my body up. I am 100% now gunna get test and i'll wait on it to start, still might throw win in the mix but not sure.

 

[BicepHead]

If im lucky i can start Test Monday maybe with the win i got. Hope you guys dont mind if i post a couple of more ?'s before i start. Its not that im lazy and dont wanna look it up, it just sticks alot better when you can communicate info back and forth instead of just reading a bunch of articles.

Protein shakes i know i gotta cut em out but damn they are the easiest thing for me. im on the go all day long. Working on it tho.

Some posts on here about first cycles with TEST only or test with WIN would be interesting for me. I'd appreciate it.

Let me know what i can look forward to if you got a sec

Thanks
Brothaman BHead

 

[burnthiscorpse]

If your set on the winstrol then run your test like 12 weeks, and tag the winny on the end. That way you get a good 6 weeks with test to see what happens.

 

[RADAR]

^^^^^ Yep! get the diet dialed on and hit the weights like a maniac you can easily put on 10-18 lbs easy.



RADAR