Critique of next two cycles

[poledancer]

I'm 40, have 4 cycles behind me the last 3 years, and would like to give Tren a go. BW is 90 kilo and bf is 19%.
I'm dieting, and plan to do so without any AAS until i reach 10-12%.
Then I will start a Tren/Mast/Test cycle (50mg each, mon,wed,fri) plus 50mg Winny ED. All short esters for 7-8 weeks. Do not plan to gain, but protect lean mass while dropping to under 10% bf. No HcG for this short cycle, but Nolva, clen and Aromasin for PCT.

If I tolerate the sides of that cycle, after 8 weeks I would like to try to gain some mass and will use:
Week 1-4 200mg Tren E EW
Week 5-12 300mg Tren E EW
Week 1-4 500mg Test E EW
Week 5-12 350mg Test E EW
Dbol 30/40mg ED for first 30 days.
Week 3-11 HcG 300iu 2xEW
Nolva, Adex and Aromasin on hand, and will be used in PCT.

Does this look fine? Will the does on cycle 2 produce any noticable results provided diet and trainig is spot on?

 

[LetsGrow]

I'm 40, have 4 cycles behind me the last 3 years, and would like to give Tren a go. BW is 90 kilo and bf is 19%.
I'm dieting, and plan to do so without any AAS until i reach 10-12%.
Then I will start a Tren/Mast/Test cycle (50mg each, mon,wed,fri) plus 50mg Winny ED. All short esters for 7-8 weeks. Do not plan to gain, but protect lean mass while dropping to under 10% bf. No HcG for this short cycle, but Nolva, clen and Aromasin for PCT.

If I tolerate the sides of that cycle, after 8 weeks I would like to try to gain some mass and will use:
Week 1-4 200mg Tren E EW
Week 5-12 300mg Tren E EW
Week 1-4 500mg Test E EW
Week 5-12 350mg Test E EW
Dbol 30/40mg ED for first 30 days.
Week 3-11 HcG 300iu 2xEW
Nolva, Adex and Aromasin on hand, and will be used in PCT.

Does this look fine? Will the does on cycle 2 produce any noticable results provided diet and trainig is spot on?

Couple of things with this. I would first of all up the test dose a bit to say 100mg eod and you can keep the mast and tren at 50mg eod if you want. 50mg whinny Ed should be fine. Tren and Nolva is a def no no so I would drop the Nolva from your pct and go with something else (perhaps clomid instead). I would def run hcg as tren can cause serious shutdown during your cycle so would suggest 500iu's a week (2 shots of 250iu's a week). Even though it is a shorter cycle I would suggest you take about 10-12 weeks off in between cycles to let your body rest and recover before you dive into another cycle.

For the 2nd cycle that is too long to run tren, I would say run it weeks 3-10 at 300mg a week. You can front load with dbol for 30 days as planned and dose looks good, but def suggest to start at 30mg and see how you react to it (a lot of people do good around that dose). Again drop the Nolva from your pct as it is a no no with tren, like mentioned above perhaps use clomid instead. I am sure some of the other guys here can help more with pct than myself but clomid works for me so I pretty much stick with that.

You should def notice good gains on cycle 2 assuming you diet right and train hard.

For both cycles I suggest you run the hcg through your pct to help you recover better.

Did I miss anything (sorry on my phone and hard to cover everything lol)?

 

[Judo Tom]

12 weeks on tren? way too long imo

 

[kc17]

I'm 40, have 4 cycles behind me the last 3 years, and would like to give Tren a go. BW is 90 kilo and bf is 19%.
I'm dieting, and plan to do so without any AAS until i reach 10-12%.
Then I will start a Tren/Mast/Test cycle (50mg each, mon,wed,fri) plus 50mg Winny ED. All short esters for 7-8 weeks. Do not plan to gain, but protect lean mass while dropping to under 10% bf. No HcG for this short cycle, but Nolva, clen and Aromasin for PCT.

If I tolerate the sides of that cycle, after 8 weeks I would like to try to gain some mass and will use:
Week 1-4 200mg Tren E EW
Week 5-12 300mg Tren E EW
Week 1-4 500mg Test E EW
Week 5-12 350mg Test E EW
Dbol 30/40mg ED for first 30 days.
Week 3-11 HcG 300iu 2xEW
Nolva, Adex and Aromasin on hand, and will be used in PCT.

Does this look fine? Will the does on cycle 2 produce any noticable results provided diet and trainig is spot on?

I would go for Tren A instead of e and keep the test does steady at 500mg

 

[poledancer]

Great advice!
I will adjust the Test on first cycle, and avoid Nolva. Why is Tren and Nolva not a good combo? Clomid is not possible to get, so I will have to do without. I have an aple supply of Adex and Aromasin.

Also I will take 12 weeks of.

Now, about the second cycle. Problem here is inventory. I will have spent all my short esters in cycle 1, and now have 4x 10ml Tren Eth at 200mg/ml, 3 x 10ml Test Eth at 350mg/ml and finally 1 10ml Test Eth at 250mg/ml. This will have to be enough for two cycles.
How long should I run Tren E for.10 weeks? With this long ester won't that be to short to get good effect? Should I up dose to 400mg EW to compensate for the shorter cycle?
Would it be OK og beneficial to continue running test alone to get a full 12 weekcycle?