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You know the pull up bars that stick out close to each other with the hammer grip. Does anyone here do that and what part of the back does it work?
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Dutch windmill
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It works the lower part of the upper back, where your lats insert to your waist. they als work the serratus muscles. you know those fingerlike muscles under your pecs. I only do them on occasion though.
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Robboe said:
He Einstein, why don't you tell me what they target sucker!!
If my understanding of kinesiology is accurate, when the hands are using this type of grip where they face each other, this puts the elbow flexors in their most advantageous position to pull.Simply said, it makes it easier to do more reps or with more additional weight than if you were to do a supinated or pronated grip chin.
Dutch windmill
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With the biceps story I'm with you but for lats man, that's one huge muscle. If you change the grip you use you for sure will change the part of the lats you use. I'm certain of that.
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So Robboe, whem you train lats, you only do wide grip chins, rows and deadlifts?
the nature boy
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wait wait wait. So wide grip pulldowns or chins dont give you a wider lat spread (aka wings)????
you can also get the same "feel" from pulldowns with the triangular bar usually used for low pulley rows, then you can vary your weight
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**they help build your lats yes. in time they will grow to the 'wing appearance' but doing wide chins doesn;t cause outer growth only.
I just prefer to get a better lat workout by putting my biceps in their strongest position. if they ain't then they give out before my lats are sufficiently stimulated. It's like short changing yourself.
understand my point?
I'm not saying don;t do wide grip chins, i'm just pointing out why i don't.
**they help build your lats yes. in time they will grow to the 'wing appearance' but doing wide chins doesn;t cause outer growth only.
I just prefer to get a better lat workout by putting my biceps in their strongest position. if they ain't then they give out before my lats are sufficiently stimulated. It's like short changing yourself.
understand my point?
I'm not saying don;t do wide grip chins, i'm just pointing out why i don't.
the nature boy
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understood Robboe.
I used to stay away form wide grip pulldowns because I was so weak in that excercise, but now I'll throw it in from time to time for variety. Like most people I can move much more weight efficently when my grip is neutral and closer together.
I used to stay away form wide grip pulldowns because I was so weak in that excercise, but now I'll throw it in from time to time for variety. Like most people I can move much more weight efficently when my grip is neutral and closer together.
A different ROM will not change how a muscle grows. It will change strength at different angles, but the muscle shape will not change because of it.
Like tuna guy said, there's SOME, and I repeat SOME evidence out there that certain fibers/portions of a muscle can be preferentially activated, but that's usually under very SUB-maximal load, such as during finely controlled work.
However, even IF a muscle could contract only a certain portion of itself under high stress, (and therefore cause site-specific growth), (which I maintain is bollox), changing the angle of the hand or width of the grip would CERTAINLY not make a difference.
If you were to argue that bent-over BB rows may cause different stimulation to the lats than weighted pull-ups, I'd still smack you and say you're wrong; the chief difference will be in the synergist muscles worked. However, I would say that these two exercises would be better candidates for "hitting the lats differently" than changing something as (relative to the lats) insignificant as the grip.
Like tuna guy said, there's SOME, and I repeat SOME evidence out there that certain fibers/portions of a muscle can be preferentially activated, but that's usually under very SUB-maximal load, such as during finely controlled work.
However, even IF a muscle could contract only a certain portion of itself under high stress, (and therefore cause site-specific growth), (which I maintain is bollox), changing the angle of the hand or width of the grip would CERTAINLY not make a difference.
If you were to argue that bent-over BB rows may cause different stimulation to the lats than weighted pull-ups, I'd still smack you and say you're wrong; the chief difference will be in the synergist muscles worked. However, I would say that these two exercises would be better candidates for "hitting the lats differently" than changing something as (relative to the lats) insignificant as the grip.
Cackerot69
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ROM has nothing with how a muscle looks when developed. That doesn't mean you shouldn't use a full ROM, though. Static contration and small range movements cause some unfavorable metabolic adaptations as well as having a very small strength transfer neurally.
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