Clomid-- The Big Lie

[Nelson Montana]

a-dex is too potent for PCT - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - and will further suppress your hpta - hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular axis - - hypothalamic-pituitary-testicular axis -

Absolutely not true at 1/2 eod or every 3 days. It will help with recovery. With "POST CYCLE" and UNLEASHED you can use as little as 1/4mg every 3 days. No way is that "too potent."

 

[funstuff]

Absolutely not true at 1/2 eod or every 3 days. It will help with recovery. With "POSY CYCLE" and UNLEASHED you can use as little as 1/4mg every 3 days. No way is that "too potent."

References? Bloodwork?

 

[tin2]

References? Bloodwork?

I put a study up on the previous page where ppl used 1mg/wk and 1mg/day for 12 weeks and they where not suppressed .

gotta be open minded about things.. Clomid -clomiphene citrate - !d does work for some and probably most but the sides get very bad.. Arimi.dex is shown to raise T without lowering E to bad levels ..

Does anyone know why these sides happen with clomid, maybe if we knew how to suppress the sides with something along with it then we could work with clomid better.. Isn't Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - .dex a very similar selective estrogen receptor modulator to clomid, yet it doesnt have the emotion or depression sides.. is that because it blocks estrogen or certian other things.. What causes these sides is probably where ppl should start looking..

 

[ProtienFiend]

I put a study up on the previous page where ppl used 1mg/wk and 1mg/day for 12 weeks and they where not suppressed .

gotta be open minded about things.. Clomid -clomiphene citrate - !d does work for some and probably most but the sides get very bad.. Arimi.dex is shown to raise T without lowering E to bad levels ..

Does anyone know why these sides happen with clomid, maybe if we knew how to suppress the sides with something along with it then we could work with clomid better.. Isn't Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - .dex a very similar selective estrogen receptor modulator to clomid, yet it doesnt have the emotion or depression sides.. is that because it blocks estrogen or certian other things.. What causes these sides is probably where ppl should start looking..

The clomid sides are likely just how the body processes the drug. Its part of the mechanism for whatever reason.

As far as dex being too strong, one might want to choose aromasin, as it is also a suicidal inhibitor and likely, wont dry you up as much (estrogen wise).

 

[tin2]

The clomid sides are likely just how the body processes the drug. Its part of the mechanism for whatever reason.

As far as dex being too strong, one might want to choose aromasin, as it is also a suicidal inhibitor and likely, wont dry you up as much (estrogen wise).

yeah understandable.. but is that the way the body processes a selective estrogen receptor modulator drug.? because you dont get the sides from Nolvaldex - tamoxifen citrate - .. and I've always wondered why.. maybe if u could block the certian part/receptor that causes these sides with something else..

Q. Do you still get or as bad of sides if taking nolvadex and clomid at the same time..?

Q. What if someone was to take an anti-e along with clomid, would that reduces sides..?

Q.Why does clomid effect some ppl and not others? is it hormone levels? diff type of anabolic androgenic steroids use? DNA..?

I mean when using anabolic androgenic steroids u can take an anti-e to stop T from converting to E, and you can take Prozac to make you happy because another drug is depressing you, or take cialis or viagra to help with ED because of another drug.... My point is why cant there be something takin to reduce clomid sides during PCT - post cycle therapy - - post cycle therapy - .. that way u could up the dose and recover faster, there has been studys done where a man had takin large doses of clomid for 2 months after being on AAS for over 10 years and after blood work showed having above natural levels . Ill try and find it ..

SIDES > RECOVERY = CLOMID

 

[r1]

I am not sure about the scientific accuracy of below, but this was taken from SWALE's primer on TRT.

If a patient has “nipple issues”, even while estrogen is within normal range, I add a selective estrogen receptor modulator, emergently. I prefer N.olvadex over C.lomid, and E.vista is probably best of all for antagonizing estrogen (although much more expensive). C.lomid often induces untoward visual effects (i.e. “tracers”), and can cause emotional lability by virtue of its estrogen agonistic effects at the more peripheral (emotion) brain sites. I do like my patients to keep some N.olvadex on hand, should they experience nipple swelling or sensitivity, so they may begin 40mg per day until the symptoms abate, and then taper to 20 mg QD for a few days, then 10mg for a few more, then finally 5mg QD to taper off.

Assuming the above is true, it certainly sheds some light on why Clomid effects emotion in a way that Nolvadex seems not to.

Note that this is only a piece of the whole article. Like a cycle, when Estrogen related problems surface during TRT, standard practice is to use a SERM (Clomi.d/N.olvadex) to address the immediate problem (gyno, bloat, etc) by de-activating the existing estrogen and if necessary, an AI (Arimidex) is brought on board to keep it from reoccurring.

R1

 

[tin2]

interesting .. hmmm.. theres still gotta be more to it though... thx for that post ..

 

[jagerbombme]

This has been a pretty good post and discussion without the bashing bullshit. I like it.