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Clomid and its effects on the HPTA
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to each their own right and sometimes what works for someone isn't gonna work for another I did recover when using nolva+clomid but I also crashed hard and felt like crap while on it sex drive was pretty blah and I lost pretty much everything coming off cycle too that's not the case now however.. One of my fave pct supplements was novadex-xt (which is now banned btw nothing gave me plump balls and morning wood like it did) everyone on here talked crap about it but ofcourse never used it and there are threads on other forums of guys posting bloods on it with test levels over 1000 but I don't argue about it and try to push it on other people I just stocked up before it was banned hehe all I'm saying is find what works for you and stick with it there is no "all in all pct" everyone knows what works for them or what they want to believe in and mixs and matches as long as we are all recovering and keeping gains there should be no debate
XT is a great supp, same as inhibit E. Pretty sure you can still find a few floating around. Its basically just branded ATD.
Agree with you on last point, if we all recover and keep gains its all good. Blood tests are essential to knowing if you have recovered though - ball size and keeping gains are obviously not the most concrete ways. Thats why im always skeptical about OTC products bc theres no blood work to back it up, and a guy on EF posting his results I cannot trust. A friend or myself taking an OTC product and seeing the numbers myself is proof that a product works. Serms and HCG have their proof in clinical trials.
Thats why its always good to include a serm or HCG, and then use a trusted OTC product thats proven to have tangible non debated results. The mix and match as you put it has every benefit from both sides.
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Ah shit really? Hah, I totally missed it. Ah well, no biggie.
I love ef
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needtogetaas
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OK guys we will keep this thread open and we will discus the topic. But lets all remember the rules. This is all I ask. Nice clean conversation.
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If you feel a mod is abusing there job,treating you unfair,or doing something wrong. You need to talk to a admin myself or If non of them can be found stilleto. Big rick rock and Ef frank are the admin of this site. We mod the mods,Not you.
If you're under 21, dont ask. If asked by an under-21 member, don't tell.
Saying "I know you're going to do it anyway even though it's a mistake" is not "providing guidance" -- it is a cop-out.
8. you talk about dnp you are banned. No chances what so ever.
Now What we can do is open the thread back up and go back to discussing the topic. Not attack each other, not making accusations, Not "making alters" and posting with them.
Anyone making a alter will just have there alter account banned and deleted. If you see some one using a alter account. As a member I ask you to just report his post. So that we can all go back to having our clean discussions here on elite. Because if alters show up to cause problems there is a good chance We will just delete the thread and then we all as members do not get to enjoy the conversation any more.
So please lets all do out part to help keep things clean and within the rules so we can all enjoy the site and the discussions we are having now. Thank you so much.
1) EF is not a source board. We don't discuss any aspect of buying and selling. This includes source names, UG labs, UG brand names, UG quality checks, prices, payment methods, shipping, receiving, Customs, etc.
2) EF staff do not do source checks, and we dont get involved in scammer issues. These are just other aspects of buying and selling and are no concern of ours.
3) The PM system is not for soliciting sources or customers or doing source checks between members. Anyone so doing will be banned. Anyone "doing business" with a member banned for using the PM system in this way will be banned as well.
If you receive a PM soliciting sources or offering to sell you something, or asking for a source check, please forward it to a mod.
4) We dont discuss the use of recreational drugs (meth, coke, X, GHB, K, etc). There's no place for that on a Fitness and Bodybuilding Board.
5) We do not condone advising people under the age of 21 to use AAS.
6. We treat each and every member with respect on this forum. If you turn out to be more trouble then you are worth. Always fighting,name calling , and acting like a child. We will show you the door.
7. If you do not have a advertising contract then you are not a sponsor of this site. You are not allowed to advertise a product, a service,or try and sell anything on this site unless you have spoken to the admin and leaders of this site and a adverting agreement has been made. If you do you will be banned
8. When a mod says do it. Just do it. End of discussion. We will not tolerate people giving the staff a hard time about doing there jobs. No matter how you feel about it or how right you think you are.
If you feel a mod is abusing there job,treating you unfair,or doing something wrong. You need to talk to a admin myself or If non of them can be found stilleto. Big rick rock and Ef frank are the admin of this site. We mod the mods,Not you.
If you're under 21, dont ask. If asked by an under-21 member, don't tell.
Saying "I know you're going to do it anyway even though it's a mistake" is not "providing guidance" -- it is a cop-out.
8. you talk about dnp you are banned. No chances what so ever.
Now What we can do is open the thread back up and go back to discussing the topic. Not attack each other, not making accusations, Not "making alters" and posting with them.
Anyone making a alter will just have there alter account banned and deleted. If you see some one using a alter account. As a member I ask you to just report his post. So that we can all go back to having our clean discussions here on elite. Because if alters show up to cause problems there is a good chance We will just delete the thread and then we all as members do not get to enjoy the conversation any more.
So please lets all do out part to help keep things clean and within the rules so we can all enjoy the site and the discussions we are having now. Thank you so much.
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Francisco d'Anconia
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Thank you for presenting objective data rather than subjective assessments. There is something honorable and respectful in seeking a honest conclusion through discipline. The Scientific Method teaches us put our emotions aside and focus on coming to a standard conclusion through well documented data and statistical integrity. It also teaches us that when research is correlated with monetary goals scientific contortion is unknowingly induced through a subconscious progression of personal desire.
This forum has been providing good honest information on anabolic's and weight training for over a decade and I'm sure it will try and continue to base these conclusions on facts rather than opinions.
...Not to say there isn't truth in some subjective claims. Its just a "hypothesis" until proven so.
This forum has been providing good honest information on anabolic's and weight training for over a decade and I'm sure it will try and continue to base these conclusions on facts rather than opinions.
...Not to say there isn't truth in some subjective claims. Its just a "hypothesis" until proven so.
these threads are important and we all win in the end when we have a civil discourse.
I had no idea this thread even existed. but I'm glad I found it.
my 2 cents are this.
if i run tren or deca I am definately gonna throw the kitchen sink at my PCT. that means HCG, HMG, SERM, and unleashed (which is the best natty product out there IMO) in that order. this PCT works for me, but it may not work for everybody or may not be necessary for everybody which is why you must experiment with different strategies.
PCT is important in that you want to keep as much as your strength and mass gains as possible. the quicker you recover, the better chance you have! I can say its worked cause my levels went back to normal and I kept most of my gains.
this is why vets on here keep telling the noobs to gain as much knowledge before running AAS as possible and its highly recommended you run a test only cycle first. big mistake running deca or tren for a first cycle! you won't know what to do when your test levels come back <100!!
so be smart
I had no idea this thread even existed. but I'm glad I found it.
my 2 cents are this.
if i run tren or deca I am definately gonna throw the kitchen sink at my PCT. that means HCG, HMG, SERM, and unleashed (which is the best natty product out there IMO) in that order. this PCT works for me, but it may not work for everybody or may not be necessary for everybody which is why you must experiment with different strategies.
PCT is important in that you want to keep as much as your strength and mass gains as possible. the quicker you recover, the better chance you have! I can say its worked cause my levels went back to normal and I kept most of my gains.
this is why vets on here keep telling the noobs to gain as much knowledge before running AAS as possible and its highly recommended you run a test only cycle first. big mistake running deca or tren for a first cycle! you won't know what to do when your test levels come back <100!!
so be smart
wouldn't surprise me but watching the documentary bigger, faster, stronger they inject something into their penises... dunno what though.
I wouldn't take any drug year round, the side effects are not worth it and the long term consequences negate any short term gains. but when its your job and you need to perform at a high standard i guess you have to.
