Clarification - for those who know their stuff

[ryno9000]

My head always swims with these questions late at night, so I will try and keep this to the point and not add in 50 other questions along the way.

People like Primo for it's slow, steady anabolism and high quality muscle gains. People also like it as it is gentle on suppression and sides. I've never used it (used "fake" before though!) so I have no experience and I want to run it. It's been suggested to me to run it something like this, based on what I can afford:

1-10 primo 400mg/week
1-10 prop 400mg/wk
1-4 t-bol 40mg/day

To me that seems very light in the androgen department! I also chose to use prop because i truly get better results on prop than I do on long esters. call me crazy but it's true. I also like the way prop feels.

What would be a good androgen to add/replace that won't "outshine" the primo? I don't want to use something that will make the primo basically worthless. Or will primo "shine" through no matter what? For example let's say I ran Tren first 6 weeks - would the primo even make any additional benefits? What if I run d-bol instead of t-bol, or 10mg dbol with 30mg tbol a day instead? I'm also thinking of running 300mg Mast for the last 6 weeks...

 

[veneto82]

id say run the mast for the whole time, imo i would run primo for 12 weeks
i would stick with tbol at 50mg/day will work well with the prop wont get bloat like you would on dbol

 

[C0LUMB0]

Hey ryno, just wait for CK to chime in here....he's a big fan of mast and likes to stack primo and tbol with it too i think .

 

[RADAR]

Agree right here, also Primo works well even while on a calorie defecit diet ,so adding masterdon is a plus!

 

[C.K.]

the prop is androgen enough but 300-400 mgs mast would be a perfect addition that would make us be running pretty much the same cycle and OMG tbol at 80 mgs is THEBOMB it kicked in on day 3 yesterday RIDICULOUS pumps and strength already i did chest/back/abs and all my lifts were up 10-15 lbs!

your cycle is actually perfect the way it is except the tbol dose is too low everyone suggested to run it minimum 60 mgs and I'm glad so glad I listened and did 80

 

[ryno9000]

the prop is androgen enough but 300-400 mgs mast would be a perfect addition that would make us be running pretty much the same cycle and OMG tbol at 80 mgs is THEBOMB it kicked in on day 3 yesterday RIDICULOUS pumps and strength already i did chest/back/abs and all my lifts were up 10-15 lbs!

your cycle is actually perfect the way it is except the tbol dose is too low everyone suggested to run it minimum 60 mgs and I'm glad so glad I listened and did 80

Good to know - it's settled then and that is what I am running

Keep me up to date on how yours is going. I'm not hitting mine for another 45 days of recovery time - you'll be in full swing by then!

 

[needtogetaas]

My head always swims with these questions late at night, so I will try and keep this to the point and not add in 50 other questions along the way.

People like Primo for it's slow, steady anabolism and high quality muscle gains. People also like it as it is gentle on suppression and sides. I've never used it (used "fake" before though!) so I have no experience and I want to run it. It's been suggested to me to run it something like this, based on what I can afford:

1-10 primo 400mg/week
1-10 prop 400mg/wk
1-4 t-bol 40mg/day

To me that seems very light in the androgen department! I also chose to use prop because i truly get better results on prop than I do on long esters. call me crazy but it's true. I also like the way prop feels.

What would be a good androgen to add/replace that won't "outshine" the primo? I don't want to use something that will make the primo basically worthless. Or will primo "shine" through no matter what? For example let's say I ran Tren first 6 weeks - would the primo even make any additional benefits? What if I run d-bol instead of t-bol, or 10mg dbol with 30mg tbol a day instead? I'm also thinking of running 300mg Mast for the last 6 weeks...

I am going to toss my vote in for mother fucking masterone!!!!!!!!!!!

Come on every primo lover knows test/primo/mast is the best cycle ever.... It gets real fun when your dropping a gram of each but will talk about that when your at my level babey... Or once you can afford shit like dat

 

[lartinos]

I like primo, but good primo is only 100mg's/ml from my experience and quite expensive. EQ is the route I go instead.

 

[C.K.]

Come on every primo lover knows test/primo/mast is the best cycle ever....

how about when your kick starting it with tbol and ending it with mhn?

 

[LiftHeavy078]

I like primo, but good primo is only 100mg's/ml from my experience and quite expensive. EQ is the route I go instead.

Hell yeah, EQ all the way.

EQ = poor man's primo

 

[needtogetaas]

I like primo, but good primo is only 100mg's/ml from my experience and quite expensive. EQ is the route I go instead.

Gentlemans club has 300mg per ml primo and its good primo trust me I know Now beat that shit

 

[Nelson Montana]

I like the combo just as you have it. There's no such thing as an androgen outshining the Primo. Primo is a mild androgen with high nitrogen retention. test is pure androgen which also retains nitroen. So the two complement each other. The balance you choose will just shift the effects more one way or the other, but won't negate them.

 

[ryno9000]

Gentlemans club has 300mg per ml primo and its good primo trust me I know Now beat that shit

Since when? And since when can we drop names like that?

 

[ryno9000]

I like the combo just as you have it. There's no such thing as an androgen outshining the Primo. Primo is a mild androgen with high nitrogen retention. test is pure androgen which also retains nitroen. So the two complement each other. The balance you choose will just shift the effects more one way or the other, but won't negate them.

I'm glad you think it's a good combo, cuz this is exactly what I am doing - with the Tbol now dosed at 60mgs.

Maybe I didn't ask the question correctly that I was initially wondering. I LOVE androgen heavy cycles. The more androgenic, the more I like it typically. I just love the feeling, the strength, and the hardness. But what I was wondering was if I ran a heavy androgen i.e. Tren with the primo if it would be pointless to include the primo with it at all. People like Primo because it is gentle, it is steady, and it is quality. Tren on the other hand is extremely powerful but comes with sides etc., and in my opinion, a different "look." So I was wondering if including Tren would overshine anything that the primo was brining to the table.

Think of it in this terrible analogy: Primo is like a baby wipe for your ass - soft, nice, and does an excellent job of detailing the wipe. Tren is like sandpaper - it will clean your ass and a whole lot more, but at an obvious cost. The cycle I was questioning would be like lining sandpaper with a baby wipe. So with that analogy, I was wondering if there was any point in using a baby wipe when you are just going to sandpaper your ass anyway? Am I making sense?

 

[Nelson Montana]

I get it. Yeah, you will be negating some of the advantages of the primo-- safe, steady low suppressive gains. But it'll still be "more." If course, you can always do "more" test or tren.

 

[ryno9000]

I get it. Yeah, you will be negating some of the advantages of the primo-- safe, steady low suppressive gains. But it'll still be "more." If course, you can always do "more" test or tren.

That's kinda what I thought. I'm glad I chose the way I did - challenge myself to get the fullest from several moderately dosed but very fine quality steroids. I'm excited to see how my body changes

 

[digit0x]

I like primo, but good primo is only 100mg's/ml from my experience and quite expensive. EQ is the route I go instead.

You and I both bro

 

[ryno9000]

You and I both bro

EQ is THE worst steroid of all time. Don't get me started on my rant

 

[lartinos]

Gentlemans club has 300mg per ml primo and its good primo trust me I know Now beat that shit

Nice, I gotta get some!

 

[Unrest]

That looks like such a tasty cycle! Pretty much side free I rekon aswell!!
Ive never used primo but definately end of this year!!
I agree with CK though in regards to the Tbol mate!
40mg is too low of a dose for quality anabolism, youd probably still get Lovely strenght on that dose though!
I remember from a few of your other posts your over 200lbs yea?
Ive been running it at 60 two weeks, 70 two weeks! I am in LOVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Week 4 and Ive been getting comments left right and centre saying, Faaark u must be on the roids, youve gained so much weight so quickly!!! and its Dry weight!! lol
14lbs in 3.5 weeks mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

 

[stevesmi]

my last cycle was primo and I had no crash, and I did not notice a loss of strength coming off like with other AAS. its like I never came off. thats what happens when you have slow and steady gains.