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needtogetaas
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bin doing that for a wile now
instant.muscle
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05-09-07 China signed a Act with the encouragement of US gov. angryfire passing a law inside china making it ILLEGAL for any Person ,Persons or company to export raw or ready to use hormones to US backed by stiff penilties enforced by THE US JUSTICE
needtogetaas
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well that sucks better stock up now boys lol
instant.muscle
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it will effect ur sources a little bit but they should b stocked up and by the time they arent people in chine will just find a remailer, meaning, send raw powders 2 poland and have poland resend to USA
needtogetaas
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aahhh the criminal thinking mind always finds the lo poleinstant.muscle said:
instant.muscle
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lmao yup, lets hope the chinese sources figure this out, hell i'll move 2 poland if they promise me 50% of their powders for helping mwhahahaha
needtogetaas
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spreekt u het Nederlands lolinstant.muscle said:
used2juice
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instant.muscle said:
Hey bro, you happen to have a link to any news article or even better the particular name of the Act? I'm curious to read the ins n outs of what it actually says.
al_ny
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i emailed some distributers about shippments to u.s. and this is one of the replies i got back
Dear Al,
Yes we ship to the U.S. but only to zip codes beginning with
Shipping to zip codes - is temporary unavailable. If you can provide such address of a friend or a relative to whom we can ship and they can reship it to you domestically.
If your shipping address starts with we can take your order. Or you can Otherwise you would have to wait and ask again in 2 weeks.
Thank You,
Lee
Dear Al,
Yes we ship to the U.S. but only to zip codes beginning with
Shipping to zip codes - is temporary unavailable. If you can provide such address of a friend or a relative to whom we can ship and they can reship it to you domestically.
If your shipping address starts with we can take your order. Or you can Otherwise you would have to wait and ask again in 2 weeks.
Thank You,
Lee
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used2juice
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al_ny said:
Hey bro, many of us know kinda what's going on, you may wanna just edit this. If people wanna know where certains ources ship, they can ask the source.
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lartinos
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The chinese are gonna do whatever the hell they want. As long as there is demand here...........the chinese are gonna make there money somehow guaranteed.
used2juice
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lartinos said:
Agreed. but it sure was a lot easier on everyone when the gov't admitted they didn't care. Now with the olympics, they are gonna have to make a couple examples of people.
solidspine
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The US government snooping around in china, I highly doubt it.
And so what if they did, China is going to listen to the US government,
Give the communist a little credit for not having there heads up there ass.
And so what if they did, China is going to listen to the US government,
Give the communist a little credit for not having there heads up there ass.
chilledandy
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I doubt very much that the FDA would be allowed to even inspect an inch of Chinese soil. They have zero duristiction over there even though they may want to think they do. The Chinese may have signed extradition agreements with the US or something similar, but it is highly unlikely that the Chinese would enforce any thing the US attempts to push on to them as trading in hormones and steroid powders in China is not illegal.
needtogetaas
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any one who was smart would not pm this guy asking him were tog get powders.....thanks needto.al_ny said:
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bbkingpin
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Absolutely! PPl are right now giving away new modus operandi, i.e., Feds look for shipments coming from somewhere other than China. This should be deleted. Let the sources figure it out and all you need to know is they know what the fuck they are doing.used2juice said:Hey bro, many of us know kinda what's going on, you may wanna just edit this. If people wanna know where certains ources ship, they can ask the source.
nolimitxxx
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bbkingpin said:
lol......."any people in US that claim to recieve genuine Jinotropin from GeneScience is lying" -- so fake
bbkingpin
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Believe it, USA carries a lot of clout. More than any other nation in the world. If they want to stop Russia from shipping uranium to Iran and freezing funds of Iranians in other countries, they can handle GenSci with one eye closed and one arm tied behind their back. Don't be stupid. The USA government stopped Mexico from passing a personal possession law with little pressure. Don't be stupid! The USA is the most powerful government in the world and they have ways of getting their way because they have so much leverage and power that the other countries will "play ball" or "go along."perp69 said:
consider the UG market Dead in a few months...after that i would be extremeley weary of ordering unless its a TOP TOP company and yes i do say company because these bros dont fuck around in thier moms kitchen, were talking 100k investment for cleanest and most steril room acheivable
Jon79
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this reminds me of a thread where ppl praise ugs and stick up for certain ones and then poof gone......with like 30k of good bro money
i think this is one of those problems.....its only temporary
dont bash me its just my oponion
i say it will be business as usual in another 4 mos
i think this is one of those problems.....its only temporary
dont bash me its just my oponion
i say it will be business as usual in another 4 mos
missionpossible
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bbkingpin said:
I call bullshit on this. Lets see now, communist China taking orders from the USA? Cmon now, thats just impossible. Maybe, just maybe the US govt. puts the screws to one (Gen-Sci) Chinese company that has interests in the US to tighten up their possible black market or loose import status. The Chinese govt doesnt ever take "orders" fro the US, thats actually a funny statement bro.
used2juice
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georgie24 said:
That thought makes me so sad.
bbkingpin
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You are creating red herrings to prove your point. I did not say China takes orders from USA on everything. But they bargain on issues left and right, ex: trademark copyright and piracy issues. I am telling you that the USA can use the carrot and stick method with any country to get what they want. If they want the Russians to fuck the Iranians, they have plenty to offer. And we're talking the serious shit. Gen Sci is not the Chinese government, and China government cares more about their relationship ("most favored trade partner status") with USA than they care about GH to USA individuals for non-medical reasons. But you are the fucking genius obviously. Tell me. What's your highest level of education, what do you do for a living, and who is the most important person (ex: elected official) you've had a lengthy conversation with?
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perp69
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It is not matter of stupidity but of common sense. You are talking about apples and oranges. Of course the US has some influence on things they are a superpower. But there is a big difference between such things as nuclear fuel and freezing funds of criminals and medical compounds. Steroid powders are a legal medical compound. If US has such influence then why can't they stop imports of meds from Canada? They tried and that ended quickly. I would like to see the act that was signed to get more info on it but unable to find anything. US justice dept punishing Chinese citizens for powder exports. Come on now. Even if Chinese signed an act of something like this doesn't mean they actually give a shit about it or will enforce it.bbkingpin said:
Perp
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perp69 said:
http://www.gensci-china.com/gensci/index.htm
Read the floating pop up. This is the same company that I could forward you an email from that offered to sell me minimum 500 IUS for total $1600 including insurance. Now hit the link and read the floating popup message, GenSci is singing a new tune, I wonder fucking why?
I'm so sick of arguing, sorry to bring you the bad news, THERE IS A MAJOR CRACKDOWN ON INDIVIDUAL IMPORTATION OF HGH FROM CHINA! SORRY, MORE SORRY THAN YOU ACTUALLY.
chilledandy
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What is more likely is that the US have threatened to place trade embergos on other exports coming out of China unless they work with the US to stem the tide of drugs entering the US originating from China. They have successfully done this in the past. Europe did it to Japan decades ago by making all Japanese exports entering Europe go through a single entry point causing insane back logs in orders that simply couldn't get through customs.
Its doubtful that China will do anything more than just appease this on the surface, like they do with the fake clothes industry that is rife out their. International law is complex, but it is unlikely a Chinese indivudual would be criminally prosecuted for processing orders of a hormone that is legal within their own Country, they would most likely receive trade fines for breaching trade agreements.
The Chinese will never bow down to the US completely, they only ever make small token appeasements, as they did when the US introduced anti-dumping laws to stem the tide of dirt cheap clothing and footwear coming out China. Look how long that the effects of that lasted?
America's economy relies on cheap produce coming in from China, just as much as China rely on being able to export to the US. Russia have very little clout with regards to anything as their economy is tiny. They rely on aid from the West so have to do as they are requested but China has just as much power as the US. They are one of five Countries including the US, UK and France that have the power of VETO on the UN Security Council, they have the largest economy in the world, have nuclear capabilities, and will soon exceede the US as the worlds super power. Their Army is massive by comparison to the US.
Its doubtful that China will do anything more than just appease this on the surface, like they do with the fake clothes industry that is rife out their. International law is complex, but it is unlikely a Chinese indivudual would be criminally prosecuted for processing orders of a hormone that is legal within their own Country, they would most likely receive trade fines for breaching trade agreements.
The Chinese will never bow down to the US completely, they only ever make small token appeasements, as they did when the US introduced anti-dumping laws to stem the tide of dirt cheap clothing and footwear coming out China. Look how long that the effects of that lasted?
America's economy relies on cheap produce coming in from China, just as much as China rely on being able to export to the US. Russia have very little clout with regards to anything as their economy is tiny. They rely on aid from the West so have to do as they are requested but China has just as much power as the US. They are one of five Countries including the US, UK and France that have the power of VETO on the UN Security Council, they have the largest economy in the world, have nuclear capabilities, and will soon exceede the US as the worlds super power. Their Army is massive by comparison to the US.
lil-swole
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Sorry to burst your bubble on this, but China has the world's fourth largest economy (measured by GDP); U.S., Japan, and Germany are the top three (in that order). #5 is UK.
Also, you say Russia relies on aid from the west and has no clout, then say China, US, UK, & France have veto power in the UN (which they do) to prove your point that China has a lot more clout than Russia. Well, Russia has veto power as well; they are the fifth country you didn't mention, so I don't even know why you mentioned it at all. And the part about China going to exceed the US as the worlds superpower made me laugh too. And the part about their army, yea, their army might be massive, but the US's is MUCH more advanced (but what it comes down to in the end is that the U.S. and China both have nuclear ICBM's so it really doesn't matter whose army is bigger or more advanced cuz the whole world would be fucked if they went to war against one another regardless - it's a lose-lose).
I'm sorry, but that was just rediculous to post that.
Also, you say Russia relies on aid from the west and has no clout, then say China, US, UK, & France have veto power in the UN (which they do) to prove your point that China has a lot more clout than Russia. Well, Russia has veto power as well; they are the fifth country you didn't mention, so I don't even know why you mentioned it at all. And the part about China going to exceed the US as the worlds superpower made me laugh too. And the part about their army, yea, their army might be massive, but the US's is MUCH more advanced (but what it comes down to in the end is that the U.S. and China both have nuclear ICBM's so it really doesn't matter whose army is bigger or more advanced cuz the whole world would be fucked if they went to war against one another regardless - it's a lose-lose).
I'm sorry, but that was just rediculous to post that.
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missionpossible
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bbkingpin said:
So, post up your valuable information proving the US does inspections in China regarding steroids and other such legal matters in China that may interest the Western World, lol. Communist China would laugh at USA inspections and anything related to it!
chilledandy
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lil-swole said:
The reason i posted the bit about Russia was in response to the following comment about how Russia bow to US pressure:
"If they want the Russians to fuck the Iranians, they have plenty to offer"
The reason I mention the VETO power had nothing to do with the comment about Russia, I was merely pointing out that China are a global super power on a parallel with the US and not likely to be subservient as previous posts had implied. The same with regards to their Army and nuclear capabilities, so it was far from being a ridiculous thing to post.
As for the size of their economy, the Chinese are the 2nd largest by their purchasing power parity, not the first which I did get wrong. Their PPP is another effective means of measuring an economy so I don't think you've burst anyones bubble.
I hardly see how my post was ridiculous, maybe to a typical Yank who thinks that the US is the entire world, i don't know. Is that it? Did I hurt your "I'm an American and we kick ass" sensibilities?
used2juice
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So, let's bring the political discourse to a minimum.
FACT: SOMETHING has the chinese sources scared that they are going to get busted. They haven't ever been afraid like this before, to my knowledge.
FACT: Some powder guys have quit sending to the USA. Another has been confirmed busted (albeit for his own stupidity in making a schedule I drug)
FACT: The BLACK MARKET raw hormone business does not make the chinese government SOOOOO much money that they wouldn't consider making an example out of it to keep the USA and rest of world happy.
FACT: Politics annoy me, so let's keep the talk to drugs and drug dealers.
FACT: SOMETHING has the chinese sources scared that they are going to get busted. They haven't ever been afraid like this before, to my knowledge.
FACT: Some powder guys have quit sending to the USA. Another has been confirmed busted (albeit for his own stupidity in making a schedule I drug)
FACT: The BLACK MARKET raw hormone business does not make the chinese government SOOOOO much money that they wouldn't consider making an example out of it to keep the USA and rest of world happy.
FACT: Politics annoy me, so let's keep the talk to drugs and drug dealers.
bbkingpin said:
Yup, China depends on US market (if we ever stopped buying their stuff, China grinds to a halt. Also, like Saudis they depend on US to invest their money.
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I agree with your post and Iam a Yank as wel but as far as "We are Americans and we kick ass" Well actually we do. We are sleeping now I admit but we all know what happens when we are pissed off...Wars are won....real wars not political ones like the Iraq war. I mean global changing wars. off my soap box now.chilledandy said:
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P.S. BTW, Francis Scott Key was a distant relative so.......Maybe thats where that came from!
bbkingpin
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Brilliant, someone I can talk to.used2juice said:So, let's bring the political discourse to a minimum.
FACT: SOMETHING has the chinese sources scared that they are going to get busted. They haven't ever been afraid like this before, to my knowledge.
FACT: Some powder guys have quit sending to the USA. Another has been confirmed busted (albeit for his own stupidity in making a schedule I drug)
FACT: The BLACK MARKET raw hormone business does not make the chinese government SOOOOO much money that they wouldn't consider making an example out of it to keep the USA and rest of world happy.
FACT: Politics annoy me, so let's keep the talk to drugs and drug dealers.
bbkingpin
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USA ARMY (not airforce etc) at the height of WW2 was 8 million. Now it's like 10% (maybe I'm wrong on %, don't shoot me). If we went to war and their was a draft, 12 million easy, even the "best and brightest" like us animals on EF hungry for blood, and the braniacs on Wall Street, would be called up. Not to mention, our fighter planes and bombers and unmanned rovers, can kills thousands without risk to our soldiers.Quadsweep said:
I was talking about economic clout for the most part. USA is not threatening China or Russia with war, it's they knew how to end WW2 (Japan asks Soviets to mediate a truce, USA asks Stalin to declare war ... Stalin declares war on Japan and attacks the Japs in Manchuria (border of Russia with China). Then we drop 2nd bomb on Nagasaki or Hiroshima, so much for Japs' "truce mediated by Soviets."
Reagan bombs Kadafi (Libya) and he shuts the fuck up. Then, few years ago, due to diplomacy and other pressures, he voluntarily relinquishes nuke program. Now the North Koreans are talking, probably because they are getting the dignity and respect they want "let's talk face to face (USA)." But also because of huge economic incentives.
After 9/11 (NEVER FORGET), Pakistan was our best ally when we thought Musharaf might not help. He's been rewarded and despite several assassination attempts, his rule is even stronger thanks no doubt due to new alliance with USA. Look at India's role now and the rate at which their economy is growing due to outsourcing by USA corporations.
We live in the world's most powerful nation and it's a great thing. But imports from China will end. But keep in mind, where there's a will there's a way. Let's leave it at that. THE POINT, FOR NOW, BEWARE UNSCRUPULOUS SCAMMERS WHO CANNOT SUPPLY hGH BUT WILL OFFER PRODUCT NONETHELESS.
used2juice
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As an aside, the biggest chinese source of all time, **, is now refusing to ship into the USA.
SOMETHING is happening over there.
Okay, back to your politics.
SOMETHING is happening over there.
Okay, back to your politics.
missionpossible
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missionpossible
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bbkingpin said:
Nice US history lesson. It still shows nothing to substantiate the elaborate claims your backing regarding US inspections and such within China. As far as the suppliers are concerned there definiatly seems to be something going on.I would have to agree with Chili on the possiblility of a threatened US embargo over the drug trade has been made. But to truly expect anything more than token gestures to become of it with the country were dealing with is highly unlikly. I guess time will tell on that matter.
In the future, you can resort to your elementary name calling on your more intellectuial furums, please.
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used2juice
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missionpossible said:
I appreciate the arguement you're making. What I hear you saying is that you think china won't try to stop the hormone/peptide drug trade into the USA because it makes them too much money and they will never "bow down" to another country.
However, if you look at this monetarily, wouldn't china make more money from the olympics than from the taxes on the few chinese powder sources? So if it will appease the rest of the world to stop the few measely dollars they get from this drug trade, and it will allow them to keep the olympics in their country...don't you think that is good reason to give up this "token" and allow the US (who often in such cases represents the "world") in to inspect these raw hormone manufacturers?
I honestly cannot think of what else would be scaring every single source in china. Something about the US is making them nervous they they will get in trouble. So either china OR the US (or likely both) is starting to put heat on them...at least that's what makes sense to me.
missionpossible
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I really think its more about the "bowing down" issue with western civilization more so than the small monetary amount China would benefit. Pride and the conflicting tpyes of government definitly would make this worse.
I do believe China will likely make concessions to appear they are sqelching the drug trade, but seriously, would you expect China or any other industrialized nation to let in inspectors from other, "opposing" countries to snoop for products that arent even illegal in their country? At the most in this scenario you would only get a smoke screen anyway. I'm fairly confident that the US would not ever let anyone in here to do that, and China wouldent either.
Nonetheless, there is something going on and I guess we'll just have to wait for it all to blow over.
I do believe China will likely make concessions to appear they are sqelching the drug trade, but seriously, would you expect China or any other industrialized nation to let in inspectors from other, "opposing" countries to snoop for products that arent even illegal in their country? At the most in this scenario you would only get a smoke screen anyway. I'm fairly confident that the US would not ever let anyone in here to do that, and China wouldent either.
Nonetheless, there is something going on and I guess we'll just have to wait for it all to blow over.
bbkingpin
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WHo on this thread ever made this claim about USA inspectors in China? Perhaps I missed it. I thought it was enactment of a law in China to regulate their own ppl, peptide manufacturers exporting into USA and using deceptive tactics to evade US Customs. It's more the USA saying get your house in order and mind the ppl sending illegal hormones into our land. How do you think they shut down the Mexican vet manufacturers :Tt, Jurox, Denkall, QV, etc?missionpossible said:
missionpossible
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It seemed there were some earlier posts that people were insinuating that there were or are to be US inspections of these facilities. I agree that the US is telling them to get their house in order but I do believe we probably had a little more clout with the Mexican govt than we will with the Chinese.
chilledandy
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Hi Quadsweep,
I wasnt trying to imply anything about all Americans, just to the guy who seemed to feel the need to insult me as though i had some how insulted his sensibilities and national pride by stating a few things about China.
I wasnt trying to imply anything about all Americans, just to the guy who seemed to feel the need to insult me as though i had some how insulted his sensibilities and national pride by stating a few things about China.
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al_ny
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Quadsweep said:
some people blasted me posting that. was just trying to warn people might not be a good time to order. would hate to se anybody put up 1,600+ and get screwed. i am fairly new at this i learned a lot reading the different boards. i ordered different gear 5 times from various different recommended sources and always gotten my order. if gensci does not ship to us that does suck. i currently have about a 3 month supply. always feel uneasy ordering from someone new. even more so when dealing with a chuck of money and product that is tempurture sensitive and has a history of being conterfieted.
chilledandy said:
Big army doesn't mean much in high tech/nuclear age...as you say China needs US to export products...if we stop buying from them, their economy grinds to halt..and what do you think Chinese do with their money...invest in US is what! (just like Saudis, they are stuck depending on US...might say they have vested interest in our economy)...went there 5 years ago to consult on their oil drilling rigs...they were about 30-40 years behind us, not to mention ALL inovation comes from West, esp. USA....JMHO......
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lil-swole
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chilledandy said:
I don't have any problems with you making points; I just don't like to read misinformation and nonsense, specifically:chilledandy said:
"Russia have very little clout with regards to anything as their economy is tiny."
"China has just as much power as the US."
"They [China] have the largest economy in the world"
"[China] will soon exceede the US as the worlds super power."
Those comments are namely what brought on my rebuke.
If you go to the GEN-LEI website, this is the first statement they make when clicking on ORDER you HGH...
Note to our customers:
GenSci is not accepting any orders from USA. If it's legal to order HGH for personal use in your country you may email us to check if we ship there.
[email protected]
Note to our customers:
GenSci is not accepting any orders from USA. If it's legal to order HGH for personal use in your country you may email us to check if we ship there.
[email protected]
chilledandy
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lil-swole said:
Except that China will soon excede the US as the worlds super power, Russia does have very little clout, and China does have as much power as the US. Those are undisputable facts. The Chinese economy is growing at a rate of more than 12% whilst the US economy is shrinking.
Also, to counter the remark made by someone that if the US decided to stop buying from China, the chinese economy would grind to a halt, true, but then so would the US economy. Your import to export ratio is massive in a negative way. The US economy relies on cheap manufacturing cost over in China. Almost all of your clothing, electrical and chemical products come from China. Not to mention all other FMCG.
al_ny
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pretty interesting tread. GEN-LEI must make so much of there profits selling to u.s. they got to be feeling a squeeze. probably let things cool down for a while. even if they have to shipped through another country. wonder what set this off, dog food, stallone's bust or that guy in texas. maybe all three.
perp69
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I think you are right. I don't think US will directly be involved in this but maybe they are pulling the strings and putting pressure on China to do something. China can sign any act to make US feel good about it but does not mean they will actively enforce it. Kind of like North Korea does (sign it and ignore it) but not as bad.al_ny said:
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