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mlong, you speak as though everyone has infinite strength and can continue to increase weight forever. this is not the case. at some point your body will no longer allow you to add heavy weights. i'm not arguing that its a bad idea i just think its good switch up your workouts and try something like this if the standard flat bench workouts he is doing. the 5 sets of flys before i see done by some of the best trainers there are. it makes a huge difference doing the presses when they are full of blood. much more effective.
 
I do agree and yet disagree with you as well. Maybe I disagree because I want to continue to keep getting stronger/bigger and never quit. The reason I believe it to stop is because of age.
 
Tell you what Bruce and timtim I call bullshit on my own post. You probably do hit a level at some point that can't be overcome. Its just that I haven't hit that level yet and don't plan on it for quite a few years.
 
well if you want you can certainly keep going. in my situation my frame has handeled all the heavy presses it can. i am finding this type of workout more effective and now i'm not having to have therapy on my back because i am too strong for how much i weigh. i was doing 245 at one point weighing 160. i had to start taking pk's to numb the pain from my back, and soon was told by my therapist i couldn't keep doing it i was compressing my spine. if you are willing to have permanent damnage to your back possibly you can push it but no matter what there is a point where you won't be able to do anymore, and if you reach that point you will look so good it won't matter
 
this is also going to be my 18th year training. after all this time im not sure where my strength could go. i just keep training, pushing, changing things up and dieting. the visual results are there for sure and continue to change and mature. the strength, well my joints dictate where i go with my training.
 
mlong23 said:
Tell you what Bruce and timtim I call bullshit on my own post. You probably do hit a level at some point that can't be overcome. Its just that I haven't hit that level yet and don't plan on it for quite a few years.
thats cool man. don't get me wrong. my boy is joke on bench does 475 to warm up and 500 for about 5 reps no spotter needed until his last set. he eats nothing and only uses winny and var so its not his diet or aas. and to be hones his workouts are really basic, flat bench hammer strenght incline and some flys. he just blows up and continues to move up in bench. he was doing 235 after one year of working out and was up to 400 by 23. he never has had to change his routine and he is simply just built to do more weight than i am. you probably are too. infact i'm sure you are. but even for my boy and you there will be a point. be careful don't fuck up your back trying to be superman on the bench not worth it.
 
Progressive resistant training is great for beginners to intermediate trainees. However, PRT had a built in flaw and limitation. And that is that there is going to be a cap on your strength level at some point. There is no avoiding it. People preach to beginners to try to add 5lbs on their bench press for the same number of reps each month. In theory this works, however 5lbs a month adds up to 60lbs a year and if you continue in that reasoning you will have added 300 lbs to your bench for the same number of reps. As we all know this is impossible.

So you are then (as an advanced trainer) faced with how to continue to stimulate this muscle and entice growth out of it in light of not being able to apply the progressive overload theory.

Personally, I choose volume training. I could resort to tactics like forced reps (which I never do), negatives, etc.. but instead going to extreme actions like that (and putting tendons, ligaments, and the muscles themselves at unnecessary risk) I just instead do an extra set or two. Besides, when fully pumped up with blood you don't really want to stop. Like Arnold compared it to cumming. You can't get that muscle bursting pump by using low reps all the time which are designed for strength. You have to pump that blood in there a drop at a time with every rep. This is what leads to muscle growth as the blood volume helps stretch the muscle from inside and thus make it more acceptable to enlargening itself.

Also, you have to forget things in terms of exercises. Your muscles do not know what exercises you are doing, all the muscles know is whether they are contracting fully or not. You would not belive the majority of people that turn something as simple as a bench press into everything it is not suppose to be and throw all stress on the front delts and elbows. Defeating the entire purpose of going to the gym in the first place. You have to lose the notion of things like flyes and cable crossovers being "finishing" or "sculpting" movements and only good for high reps. Based on the basic rules of anatomy, flye movements are more of a pure chest movement that presses because they follow the proper range of movement that nature designed them too.

What it comes down to is it is not what you do, but rather how you do it. While varying the degrees your body is placed at during the movement (incline, flat, decline) you can actually shift the stimulation slightly more to those specific areas. But it really is not how you place your body as the most common notion suggests, but rather it is how the movement is executed. For example, you can lay on a flat bench and do barbell pressed to the throat (which is an excellent exercise) and you will feel that despite laying flat, the upper pecs are the majority workers in this exercise. Such as it is with other exercises if you simply forget preconceived notions of how things are and instead just look at why people think they are like that.
 
good post aap.

thats exactly my train of thought. pushing maximal weight has wear and tear to it. no one can see your bench press walking down the street is what i say.
 
You weigh less than 200lbs at 5'11 and it's not 195lbs super lean either. In nearly a decade of training you haven't really been going at it or else those stats and pics would be a lot better. I'm not trying to be mean or anything but you don't need tbol or any other type of steroid. You need to take a visit to the training forum and follow a well thought out program with the focus on making progress each week on key compound lifts. Bench, dips, incline it doesn't really matter. The real answer to progress is to add weight to your lifts each week, even if it's 2.5lb plates or a 1lb collar. Do that along with getting a surplus of calories. Eat big and lift big. That's all there is to it.

Oh and one more thing, even with all of the above remember genetics will determine your ultimate chest shape. Although you can always maximize what you have. Rome wasn't built in a day and neither is a first class physique. Good luck brother.
 
youve got a chest it looks like bro, but you have a lot of flub as well, work on shreding yourself. clean up your diet, learn about nutrition and what it takes to maintin a healthy lifestyle/physique. cheat if you need to shed the weight but you must be learning of proper nutrition in the process and continue with a new lifestyle basicly after you shed it. it really takes a lot more than you think to keep the weight off, diet is key, dont take it as an insult, take it as constructive criticism and learn from it. my guess is your be around 180 if you were toned and lost some fat. g/l bro.
 
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