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It could be bad if true. I wonder how bees react to pot fog. Regular smoke seems to calm them.
It could be bad if true. I wonder how bees react to pot fog. Regular smoke seems to calm them.
Cell Phones Are Killing Bee's
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I know there's going to be a BUNCH of people who mock this thread but the far reaching implications of CCD (colony collapse disorder) are really, really chilling. GMOs, new pesticides and the stress of transporting bees across the country to pollinate fields have all been questioned and arguments for and against each have been made but nothing seems to explain it completely.
I know people who keep bees privately and it seems everyone mourns the loss of another hive each spring.
I know people who keep bees privately and it seems everyone mourns the loss of another hive each spring.
I was right!
I had a feeling you'd be the first to reply to this thread, I know you're passionate about this stuff. Its an interresting article, but I'm not sure how cell phones could have such a huge impact on bees. I understand the concept of colony collapse and how bad it would be, but the highest concentrations of cellular usage are going to be in major cities which I can't imagine are too close to large colonies that would be very impactful.
Redrocker13
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^^^This may surprise you MM but there will be no mocking from me. I am far from an alarmist and yet it is easily understood how vital bees are to the food chain. I'd be curious to see further data.
DJLegacy2k1
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Damn, Im contributing to the death of Bees by selling cellular mobile communication devices?! Awwww snap! Bzzzz Bzzzz little friends, bzzzz bzzzz indeed!
-Legacy
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Well, let's back up a bit ... but first, you're right, I care passionately about things like the environment, for a really simple reason, we ain't got no where else to go. I do not think that we own this planet. In my mind, every generation is just borrowing this planet from future generations.
I'll try to explain my thinking in very broad terms on the bee problem, but I'm afraid it's going to sound very convoluted and may not translate well in a single post.
When it comes to many things, for example, Colony Collapse Disorder, certain human health issues (particularly autoimmune disorders) global warming, BIG systemic failures (think individual bodies as microcosms, individuals in a species and species that rely on each other as another microcosm within the larger macrocosm of the ecosystem which has its place within the macrocosm of our entire planet) I don't believe you can point to ONE single factor and go THERE, THAT'S IT, that's what's causing it. I do not subscribe 100% to the Pasteur theory (too long to explain, just google it) not in human health, nor when it comes to environmental concerns.
I believe that systemic failures, I'm talking human bodily systems, ecosystems, species extinctions, whales and dolphins beaching themselves, all sorts of things like that, represent an imbalance. While an imbalance can be created by one factor, it would have to be one overwhelmingly big factor, something so incredibly undeniably obvious nobody would miss it (take bubonic plague, every death from that plague has ONE cause, a bacteria. How it was transmitted is arbitrary).
These systemic collapses which cannot be attributed to ONE huge cause have bunches of little causes, and THAT's why nobody can figure out how to fix it. We're back to Pasteur's theory and the type of paradigm thinking that people are virtually hard wired to look for. They want to find ONE bacterium when it's not ONE bacterium. It's a bunch of little things which, taken individually, systems could compensate for. Taken together, however, it's simply too much, and the systems begin to fail.
In Wicca/paganism we have a phrase "As above, so below" Personally I expand that to include "as within, so without." Our bodies are a contained system (think fractally) just as the earth is a contained system. Multiple things must be balanced for the system to function properly (think of the small adjustments required to remain balanced on a stability ball). All systems have built in mechanisms for maintaining required balance, but if the system is completely overwhelmed, balance is lost and once lost, far harder to regain than to prevent to begin with.
The concept is not natural to the modern western cultural mindset. Americans like black/white, good/evil but really, the world is mostly gray.
I find no argument with anything you just said. I only wish I could add to it more.
The problem will never be addressed in any meaningful way. Ultimately, stratospheric amounts of money will be spent attempting to treat the fallout of bee colony loss on our food supply. Mostly that expense will be concealed from us.
Also, cell phones disrupt brain function as well.
Also, cell phones disrupt brain function as well.
fuck bees
DJLegacy2k1
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Wu Tang Killah Bees 4eva!
Redrocker13
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Bees are awesome! They're even kinda cute. Wasps, hornets and yellow jackets, hate those all you want.
Bees-carpenter, honey and bumble are all rather docile. You truly have to go out of your way to get a bee to sting you. But the other ones, yeesh!! Very aggressive and they can also sting you repeatedly. Matter of fact, if anyone has any difficulty with wasps, hornets, etc., let me know. I have been fighting them for over 17 years. I may be able to offer some helpful advice.
That's right up there with saying "You hate food."
Redrocker13
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your wife has never complained
Redrocker13
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you mean your wife was had...by me!
calveless wonder
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Those plump little bees are cool
chris302001
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Imma bee
Imma bee
Imma imma imma bee
Imma bee
Imma imma imma bee
chewyxrage
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Bees are awesome. I'm planning on a beehive or five once I buy the homestead 
That is a very disturbing article.
That is a very disturbing article.
GrumpyOldMan
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I've been stung by all manner of bees/hornets multiple times; some my fault, some not. But I still think they're cool. I grew up in the country where we killed all manner of varmit when I was young and stoopid. Now I agree with MM that we don't own the planet, we're just sharing. Unlike my city slicker neighbors I don't hate nature and no longer have the desire to kill everything because it damaged my 'perfectly manicured' lawn. The creatures were here long before us and will hopefully be around long after we've smoked ourselves.
chewyxrage
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I worked with a nice lady who just got married to a contractor (framing, etc.)
He got stung by a bee and died. First time he was ever stung, and done. Very sad. He was 27.
The hospital bills were up around $200,000 because they kept him alive for several weeks before pulling the plug.
He got stung by a bee and died. First time he was ever stung, and done. Very sad. He was 27.
The hospital bills were up around $200,000 because they kept him alive for several weeks before pulling the plug.
canadianhitman
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I am the opposite...I am very territorial. My yard is MINE; I payed for it, I pay the taxes on it, and anything on my land or in my airspace above it must toe the line or 'get ventilated'. My first victims were the chipmunks, who seem to have an insatiable appetite for the bulbs of perennials. They burrow into the beds and chew away until they kill the (expensive) plants...so I had to start plunking them off last year. Next on the hit list is the stupid squirrel who chewed into my cable (cable guy who did the service call took one look at it and was positive it was a squirrel...apparently they are known for it?). He caused my picture to screw up during a hockey game, and that's the ultimate sin, so he's going down.
GrumpyOldMan
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Yeah I'm territorial too, I just try to avoid harming anything that isn't bright enough to know better. So I might shoot a neighbour for trespassing, but I'm not as likely to shoot an animal. I'm getting mellow in my grumpy old age, although some people might disagree.
We've had minor damage from the animals, but usually a little brain power will solve the problem.
canadianhitman
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Yeah I'm territorial too, I just try to avoid harming anything that isn't bright enough to know better. So I might shoot a neighbour for trespassing, but I'm not as likely to shoot an animal. I'm getting mellow in my grumpy old age, although some people might disagree.
We've had minor damage from the animals, but usually a little brain power will solve the problem.
I tried brain power...did some reading on the net and then mixed some cayenne pepper into the first few inches of soil like the articles all said to do...didn't even slow the little bastards down. Lead was the only solution.
GrumpyOldMan
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At least you tried, the Cayenne stopped the coons from digging up our lawn.
redshirt27se
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really? crushed red pepper will keep away the squirrels.
GrumpyOldMan
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Cayenne Pepper works sometimes, not sure about the dried pepper flakes. You also need a lot of it; think Costco sized bag.
Pollination & Human Livelihoods
Pollinators, such as bees, birds, and bats affect 35 percent of the world's crop production, increasing outputs of 87 of the leading food crops worldwide, plus many plant-derived medicines. I'm not going to count on birds and bats to pick up the slack if bees die off.
People are bitching now at the cost of gas and groceries because of a little war, imagine if bees die out- hopefully not in my lifetime.
Pollinators, such as bees, birds, and bats affect 35 percent of the world's crop production, increasing outputs of 87 of the leading food crops worldwide, plus many plant-derived medicines. I'm not going to count on birds and bats to pick up the slack if bees die off.
People are bitching now at the cost of gas and groceries because of a little war, imagine if bees die out- hopefully not in my lifetime.
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