Cell Phones Are Killing Bee's

[Captain FT]

Bee Deaths Linked to Cell Phones - Mobiledia

It could be bad if true. I wonder how bees react to pot fog. Regular smoke seems to calm them.

 

[musclemom]

I know there's going to be a BUNCH of people who mock this thread but the far reaching implications of CCD (colony collapse disorder) are really, really chilling. GMOs, new pesticides and the stress of transporting bees across the country to pollinate fields have all been questioned and arguments for and against each have been made but nothing seems to explain it completely.

I know people who keep bees privately and it seems everyone mourns the loss of another hive each spring.

 

[Captain FT]

I know there's going to be a BUNCH of people who mock this thread but the far reaching implications of CCD (colony collapse disorder) are really, really chilling. GMOs, new pesticides and the stress of transporting bees across the country to pollinate fields have all been questioned and arguments for and against each have been made but nothing seems to explain it completely.

I know people who keep bees privately and it seems everyone mourns the loss of another hive each spring.

I was right!

I had a feeling you'd be the first to reply to this thread, I know you're passionate about this stuff. Its an interresting article, but I'm not sure how cell phones could have such a huge impact on bees. I understand the concept of colony collapse and how bad it would be, but the highest concentrations of cellular usage are going to be in major cities which I can't imagine are too close to large colonies that would be very impactful.

 

[Redrocker13]

^^^This may surprise you MM but there will be no mocking from me. I am far from an alarmist and yet it is easily understood how vital bees are to the food chain. I'd be curious to see further data.

 

[DJLegacy2k1]

Damn, Im contributing to the death of Bees by selling cellular mobile communication devices?! Awwww snap! Bzzzz Bzzzz little friends, bzzzz bzzzz indeed!

-Legacy

 

[Sub-Zero]

i hate bees

 

[musclemom]

I was right!

I had a feeling you'd be the first to reply to this thread, I know you're passionate about this stuff. Its an interresting article, but I'm not sure how cell phones could have such a huge impact on bees. I understand the concept of colony collapse and how bad it would be, but the highest concentrations of cellular usage are going to be in major cities which I can't imagine are too close to large colonies that would be very impactful.

Well, let's back up a bit ... but first, you're right, I care passionately about things like the environment, for a really simple reason, we ain't got no where else to go. I do not think that we own this planet. In my mind, every generation is just borrowing this planet from future generations.

I'll try to explain my thinking in very broad terms on the bee problem, but I'm afraid it's going to sound very convoluted and may not translate well in a single post.

When it comes to many things, for example, Colony Collapse Disorder, certain human health issues (particularly autoimmune disorders) global warming, BIG systemic failures (think individual bodies as microcosms, individuals in a species and species that rely on each other as another microcosm within the larger macrocosm of the ecosystem which has its place within the macrocosm of our entire planet) I don't believe you can point to ONE single factor and go THERE, THAT'S IT, that's what's causing it. I do not subscribe 100% to the Pasteur theory (too long to explain, just google it) not in human health, nor when it comes to environmental concerns.

I believe that systemic failures, I'm talking human bodily systems, ecosystems, species extinctions, whales and dolphins beaching themselves, all sorts of things like that, represent an imbalance. While an imbalance can be created by one factor, it would have to be one overwhelmingly big factor, something so incredibly undeniably obvious nobody would miss it (take bubonic plague, every death from that plague has ONE cause, a bacteria. How it was transmitted is arbitrary).

These systemic collapses which cannot be attributed to ONE huge cause have bunches of little causes, and THAT's why nobody can figure out how to fix it. We're back to Pasteur's theory and the type of paradigm thinking that people are virtually hard wired to look for. They want to find ONE bacterium when it's not ONE bacterium. It's a bunch of little things which, taken individually, systems could compensate for. Taken together, however, it's simply too much, and the systems begin to fail.

In Wicca/paganism we have a phrase "As above, so below" Personally I expand that to include "as within, so without." Our bodies are a contained system (think fractally) just as the earth is a contained system. Multiple things must be balanced for the system to function properly (think of the small adjustments required to remain balanced on a stability ball). All systems have built in mechanisms for maintaining required balance, but if the system is completely overwhelmed, balance is lost and once lost, far harder to regain than to prevent to begin with.

The concept is not natural to the modern western cultural mindset. Americans like black/white, good/evil but really, the world is mostly gray.

 

[billfred]

We need Bees more than we need cell phones.

 

[Captain FT]

Well, let's back up a bit ... but first, you're right, I care passionately about things like the environment, for a really simple reason, we ain't got no where else to go. I do not think that we own this planet. In my mind, every generation is just borrowing this planet from future generations.

I'll try to explain my thinking in very broad terms on the bee problem, but I'm afraid it's going to sound very convoluted and may not translate well in a single post.

When it comes to many things, for example, Colony Collapse Disorder, certain human health issues (particularly autoimmune disorders) global warming, BIG systemic failures (think individual bodies as microcosms, individuals in a species and species that rely on each other as another microcosm within the larger macrocosm of the ecosystem which has its place within the macrocosm of our entire planet) I don't believe you can point to ONE single factor and go THERE, THAT'S IT, that's what's causing it. I do not subscribe 100% to the Pasteur theory (too long to explain, just google it) not in human health, nor when it comes to environmental concerns.

I believe that systemic failures, I'm talking human bodily systems, ecosystems, species extinctions, whales and dolphins beaching themselves, all sorts of things like that, represent an imbalance. While an imbalance can be created by one factor, it would have to be one overwhelmingly big factor, something so incredibly undeniably obvious nobody would miss it (take bubonic plague, every death from that plague has ONE cause, a bacteria. How it was transmitted is arbitrary).

These systemic collapses which cannot be attributed to ONE huge cause have bunches of little causes, and THAT's why nobody can figure out how to fix it. We're back to Pasteur's theory and the type of paradigm thinking that people are virtually hard wired to look for. They want to find ONE bacterium when it's not ONE bacterium. It's a bunch of little things which, taken individually, systems could compensate for. Taken together, however, it's simply too much, and the systems begin to fail.

In Wicca/paganism we have a phrase "As above, so below" Personally I expand that to include "as within, so without." Our bodies are a contained system (think fractally) just as the earth is a contained system. Multiple things must be balanced for the system to function properly (think of the small adjustments required to remain balanced on a stability ball). All systems have built in mechanisms for maintaining required balance, but if the system is completely overwhelmed, balance is lost and once lost, far harder to regain than to prevent to begin with.

The concept is not natural to the modern western cultural mindset. Americans like black/white, good/evil but really, the world is mostly gray.

I find no argument with anything you just said. I only wish I could add to it more.

 

[RottenWillow]

The problem will never be addressed in any meaningful way. Ultimately, stratospheric amounts of money will be spent attempting to treat the fallout of bee colony loss on our food supply. Mostly that expense will be concealed from us.

Also, cell phones disrupt brain function as well.