Catabolism After One Hour

[Legion Kreinak2]

The hormone, cortisol, which is what causes protein to be dervied from the muscle tissue and brought to the liver to be used as glycogen, better known as catabolism, is supposedly significantly increased after a strength training workout continues after an hours time.

Has anyone heard anything on this before?

When doing the 5x5 routine, my routines would last up to 1 hour 30 minutes sometimes. I suppose this is becuase shoulders, biceps, triceps, and forearms were all worked in one workout, and the significant amount of rest supposedly required for the 5x5 led to extended periods of training.

Any thoughts?

 

[OMEGA]

I agree thats why I think its stupid to do cardio after a hard workout

especially if your natural

 

[DBCooper]

Get some 'keto strips' weider used to make them, they detect if your catabolic or not, tried them when I was 18 and found out I was NEVER catabolic lol guess the glands were in high gear then.

 

[BigTimer]

yeah its cause anytime u workout for more then an hour the body releases cortisol,putting u in a catabolic state,so what u have to do is get back in to an anabolic state quickly. u do this by taking a fast absorbing protien mixed with dextrose like 20-30 min post workout,and also if u are natrual i would also take glutamine

 

[argent]

Ketostrips monitor if there are ketones in your urine, which are a byproduct of fat utilization. They don't really determine if you are catabolic or not.

 

[Legion Kreinak2]

I've also heard the following:

So long as you get a quick-digesting protein into your system within 30 minutes post-workout, you'll get the maximum gains from your training.

The quickly-digested protein is, I'm assuming, sent to the liver as glycogen rather than the muscle tissue being broken down. Either that or the tissue (or rather, proteins in the muscles) is still sent to the liver, and the protein you took in replaces what was (or most of what was) lost.

Yes?

 

[DBCooper]

Ketosis is a state in which your body breaks down fat and/or muscle to use as energy, the strips tell you if your body is doing this at all, if it is your breaking down your gains=catabolic.

 

[DrBones]

The quickly-digested protein is, I'm assuming, sent to the liver as glycogen rather than the muscle tissue being broken down. Either that or the tissue (or rather, proteins in the muscles) is still sent to the liver, and the protein you took in replaces what was (or most of what was) lost.

I'm going to assume that the dextrose (a fast absorbing sugar) is what is going to be filling your liver glycogen and not the protein...

 

[Legion Kreinak2]

I'm not sure, this is just what I've read on a few sites last night.

 

[scruples]

Ketosis is a state in which your body breaks down fat and/or muscle to use as energy, the strips tell you if your body is doing this at all, if it is your breaking down your gains=catabolic.

ketones are made from fat, not muscle...

ketogenic diets are popular because they can help to minimize muscle loss during cutting... if those strips turn color, it means that your body is metabolizing fat into ketones to use as energy...

and dextrose refills muscle glycogen pretty effectively, that is why it is used post workout w/some whey... dextrose also causes an insulin spike, which helps shuttle nutrients to the muscles

 

[rjl296]

I'm going to assume that the dextrose (a fast absorbing sugar) is what is going to be filling your liver glycogen and not the protein...

yep, protein helps with insulin levels , not glycogen

 

[Deak]

If you have a slow metabolism, I don't think there is a problem with doing 30 minutes or so of cardio after a workout. I have been doing for a couple of weeks and not only did I loose some fat, but I think I also gained a little muscle.

 

[DBCooper]

Ketones are not made from fat, they are a chemical the body produce TO break down fat when their is not enough insulin in the blood which is caused by a lack of an energy supply such as carbs.They can poison and kill body cells, a prolonged build up can lead to illness and coma. They are present in urine because your blood is to full of them so this is the only way to get rid of them, the other ketone 'acetone' can be expelled through the lungs giving the breath a fruity odor. My point was just that when you start feeding on the body usually your strength stalls or goes backwards from the breakdown or catabolic state your in. I don't always state things to clearly so bear with me .

 

[Lord_Suston]

yep, protein helps with insulin levels , not glycogen

Not exactly...

Energy pathway from excercise is ATP, creatine, pyruvate, glucose, protein and fat. Your body start to digest protein after 50-60 minutes to make a usable form of sugar to use to fuel cellular activity. By having some fast acting carbs you cause and insulin spike and restore your glucose levels. During the insulin spike you are supposed to eat protein since they will need amino acids for growth and to help stop degradation of your muscles....

 

[leancuisine]

good info.
lets suppose one was on sustanon 250mg every 5 days as part of an 8 week cutting cycle would the 30 minute post workout cardio session be enough to induce a catabolic state.
is it even likely to be in a catabolic state while on juice?
if yes, does the training have to be super intense 7 days a week to induce that state in a "juiced" athlete?>

 

[Lord_Suston]

good info.
lets suppose one was on sustanon 250mg every 5 days as part of an 8 week cutting cycle would the 30 minute post workout cardio session be enough to induce a catabolic state.
is it even likely to be in a catabolic state while on juice?
if yes, does the training have to be super intense 7 days a week to induce that state in a "juiced" athlete?>

Firtst of all Sustanon is not primarily used for fat loss as it is a blend of four testosterones. This will create some bloating as the interstitial fluid will increaase to help your muscles leverage scheme. But like most testosterone the presence will help burn fat and increase muscle mass. The time is almost the same for the catabolic pathway, the recovery time though is a lot faster. So you can be in a catabolic state for the last 20-30 minutes but with sust the anabolic properties will far outweigh that side. Your best bet is to hit the gym 2x each for less than an hour. And the fat burning properties of gear is the ability to maintain or increase muscle mass will on a calorically deficient diet...

 

[mrzap]

I read in a journal awhile ago that I should have like 25 grams of a high gi carb with like 4 grams of protein (these numbers are based on a percentage of my LBM) immediatly post workout then an hour after have my protein shake.

I end up having like 4grams of amino acid pills and 25 grams of carbs worth of grape juice immediatly after my workout then my protein and dextrose shake an hour later.

Am I better off ditching the first snack and just have the full protein shake right after?

 

[leancuisine]

Firtst of all Sustanon is not primarily used for fat loss as it is a blend of four testosterones. This will create some bloating as the interstitial fluid will increaase to help your muscles leverage scheme. But like most testosterone the presence will help burn fat and increase muscle mass. The time is almost the same for the catabolic pathway, the recovery time though is a lot faster. So you can be in a catabolic state for the last 20-30 minutes but with sust the anabolic properties will far outweigh that side. Your best bet is to hit the gym 2x each for less than an hour. And the fat burning properties of gear is the ability to maintain or increase muscle mass will on a calorically deficient diet...

lord...
thanks for that bro, but i'm unclear about one thing still.....

i understand that sustanon is not the best choice for the water bloat. but do you think that sustanon will spare muscle in that dosage for an 8 week cutting cycle at 250mg every 5 days, given that my diet is ultra clean, but i train intensely 6 days a week?

 

[leancuisine]

Firtst of all Sustanon is not primarily used for fat loss as it is a blend of four testosterones. This will create some bloating as the interstitial fluid will increaase to help your muscles leverage scheme. But like most testosterone the presence will help burn fat and increase muscle mass. The time is almost the same for the catabolic pathway, the recovery time though is a lot faster. So you can be in a catabolic state for the last 20-30 minutes but with sust the anabolic properties will far outweigh that side. Your best bet is to hit the gym 2x each for less than an hour. And the fat burning properties of gear is the ability to maintain or increase muscle mass will on a calorically deficient diet...

lord...
thanks for that bro, but i'm unclear about one thing still.....

i understand that sustanon is not the best choice for the water bloat. but do you think that sustanon will spare muscle in that dosage for an 8 week cutting cycle at 250mg every 5 days, given that my diet is ultra clean, but i train intensely 6 days a week?

 

[Lord_Suston]

don't get me wrong sust will spare muscle mass on a clean diet. but dht based steroids are far more efficient for fat loss versus testosterone based esters. The one fundamnetal problem is when you come off test you will not be producing a lot of natural test and your estro levels will be higher than normal. high estro-levels= high affinity to store fat. so when you come off you need to have anti-e's ready and then hit up the fat burners to help keep the body burning fat. Dht on the other hand is easy to rebound in comparison because of the shorter half-life. but to be honest I would rather cut on a low dose dht and clen cycle, rebound my test levels, to burn fat, and wait to hit up test so as to put on muscle without fat gain. But that is my own personal preference

 

[leancuisine]

dht?
like primo, winny, eq?

 

[Lord_Suston]

dht?
like primo, winny, eq?

dht-winstrol, fina, halo,

eq is a test but more importantly it is a epo.

primo and laurabolan are a little different

 

[louden_swain]

Training sessions that are too long will certainly release extra amounts of cortisol. I recommend that all workouts should be completed between 45 minutes and 1 hour.