Cardio/B12/Endurance

[Johnny Gringo]

For awhile now, I have been doing some seriuos cardio and training as I have been returning back to boxing after a while off. I was thinking about adding winstrol, but got to thinking B-12 injections may be a better alternative for me at this time. I know that B12 is known to increase endurance and how all that works, but does anyone think it would be that beneficial?? Any help would be much appreciated. I've taken B12 before and didn't notice much of anything, but then I wasn't doing any cardio or concerned with endurace either.

 

[Synpax]

Hi,

First, thanks for visiting this board. I really don't have a clue as far as usage of that stuff for cardio. I would run it by the anabolics board.

On a side note, it may be the case that you don't need to dope to get where you want to go.

 

[juve]

I am afraid you cannot compare stanozolol and B12. Stanozolol has been documented to increase oxygen uptake and dramatically upregulate nitrogen retention all of which have strong positive impact on endurance. In fact, stan is many endurance athletes' favorite drug, being and androgen it also gives explosiveness/momentary strength by augmenting neural networks (that's how strength increases on AAS - enhance neuarl response through continued stimulation). That said, I do not recommend anyone jump on steroids, but I suppose that should be left to your prerogative.
B12 - is essential to energy metabolism; it has been also found to decrease homocysteine levels; it is intricately involved in red blood cell development and neural regulation - definately a worthy supplement. On a hole I recommend a strong B-complex as an adjunct to B12.
The question to ask would be how dramatic of an increase in endurance you are looking for; can it be accomplished without drugs given proper dietary routine and supplementation?

 

[Synpax]

Question for you Juve -

Apparently the muscle gains with Winny retain well. But what about the cardio gains? Do you have to be on to be able to get the endurance bonus? Does it go away when you go off?

 

[juve]

But what about the cardio gains? Do you have to be on to be able to get the endurance bonus? Does it go away when you go off?

No, it doesn't. Gains in endurance can be correlated with gains in strength output, which is primarily regulated by the CNS adaptation. Given that androgens, speed up and further enhance this neural adaptation the only way to lose these gains would be to stop training, or train less intensely, and let the adaptive response degrade towards its original setpoint.

 

[Bulldog_10]

No, it doesn't. Gains in endurance can be correlated with gains in strength output, which is primarily regulated by the CNS adaptation. Given that androgens, speed up and further enhance this neural adaptation the only way to lose these gains would be to stop training, or train less intensely, and let the adaptive response degrade towards its original setpoint.

Endurance isn't really due to CNS adaptation...it's due to metabolic adaptations usually (increased aerobic enzymes...). So I would guess that the benefits would go away once usage is stopped. (if there really are adaptations caused by winny...not sure on that one).

Cardio alone is what will increase endurance, you just gotta know how to train for it.

 

[juve]

Once again we seem to be on opposing ends of the spectrum, but methinks the issue is the disparity of semantics of the word cardio/endurance between you and me.
Endurance at >high intensity<, oriented towards speed output is exactly CNS adaptation, and neural networks do not cease to exist after the drug is abated.
metabolic adaptations - are you referring to AMPk and PPAR change in disposition towards energy metabolism - but winny doesn't cause any of that really, so I'm not sure how that is relevant at all...
the only thing is that winny increases red blood cell count, oxygen uptake and nitrogen retention which has positive effects on endurance and recuperation - but such effects can be achieved without it, although at a more moderate/gradual pace obviously..

 

[Bulldog_10]

Once again we seem to be on opposing ends of the spectrum, but methinks the issue is the disparity of semantics of the word cardio/endurance between you and me.
Endurance at >high intensity<, oriented towards speed output is exactly CNS adaptation, and neural networks do not cease to exist after the drug is abated.
metabolic adaptations - are you referring to AMPk and PPAR change in disposition towards energy metabolism - but winny doesn't cause any of that really, so I'm not sure how that is relevant at all...
the only thing is that winny increases red blood cell count, oxygen uptake and nitrogen retention which has positive effects on endurance and recuperation - but such effects can be achieved without it, although at a more moderate/gradual pace obviously..

This is the cardio board...so i figured he was talking about long distance endurance.

 

[Siany21]

I have B12 injections every now and then & I find they increase my energy levels quite a bit.