Can you reach Ketosis while on Growth Hormone?

[starskulker]

I have never had a problem reaching Ketosis in a diet before. I ususally reach it within 2 or 3 days max. I Have been on a 40 carbs per day or lower diet since Sunday and still have not reached it. The only thing differant is I have been on Growth at 4 units per day for about 6 months and am wondering if for some reason it's not letting me reach ketosis?

 

[Tatyana]

How do you know you are in ketosis?

GH suppresses insulin, so I don't think that it would be the issue.

I could be mistaken, I am on minimal sleep right now so my brain isn't working as well as it could be.

 

[starskulker]

There is something called Ketostix where you pee on to a strip and it will tell you if you are in ketosis by turning a dark color. the darker the color the more Ketones you are burning.

 

[needtogetaas]

Human Growth Hormone and Ketosis in Athletes and Non-athletes

 

[rediculus]

Needto's the man

 

[needtogetaas]

Needto's the man

Thanks bro.

 

[mattdan]

Human Growth Hormone and Ketosis in Athletes and Non-athletes

Good info, but I doubt that's the reason.

40 carbs is a bit on the high side unless you're doing some good cardio to start keto IMHO.

I try to keep it below 20 to start, and I don't hold back on the fat. 20 carbs or less, and plenty of fat for the first week. Increasing fat encourages keto.

Try that and I'll bet that'll get it.

 

[lartinos]

Seems unlikely that has anything to do with it. Otherwise Pro's would cut it out way earlier then they do before they have a show.
It's is likely you are retainng water and not fat like you think. What else are you taking? Any AI's?

 

[Tatyana]

There is something called Ketostix where you pee on to a strip and it will tell you if you are in ketosis by turning a dark color. the darker the color the more Ketones you are burning.

Those sticks are for diabetics to see if they are in diabetic ketoacidosis. If they turn purple, it is a pathological condition and a medical emergency.

If you are in ketosis, then your body will be burning the ketones as a source of energy, not urinating them out.

If anything, you will get 'trace' on the sticks, and that will typically be after cardio.

I hope that is clear.

 

[gautho]

Very possible>>>>i'm proof....at 4iu's a day with carbs under 40 i reach ketosis by evidence of ketostix!

 

[Juicin]

How do you know you are in ketosis?

GH suppresses insulin, so I don't think that it would be the issue.

I could be mistaken, I am on minimal sleep right now so my brain isn't working as well as it could be.

well GH doesnt exactly suppress insulin, but it does have anti insulin activity. Insulin when bound to receptors allows translocation of the glut-4 transporter from the cytoplasm into the membrane and thus facillitates glucose uptake into the cell.

GH blocks the translocation of the glut-4 transporter into the membrane, and does not allow for glucose uptake in to the cell. This causes hyperglycemia and when used for long periods of time at excessive dosages is a primary stimulus for diabetes mellitus. The pancreas realizes that insulin is not having any effect, and will eventually stop producing insulin.

 

[starskulker]

I must be missing somthing or actually not missing somthing in my diet and I'm getting to much carb intake I guess. I will just tighten up then.

Another question would be should one carb loading day be used per week to replenish or not?

 

[V-Machine]

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Those sticks are for diabetics to see if they are in diabetic ketoacidosis. If they turn purple, it is a pathological condition and a medical emergency.

If you are in ketosis, then your body will be burning the ketones as a source of energy, not urinating them out.

If anything, you will get 'trace' on the sticks, and that will typically be after cardio.

I hope that is clear.

 

[Nelson Montana]

I never saw the purpose of being in ketosis. It's very unhealthy.

 

[desmond]

I may be mistaken, but I thought that (this relates to natural GH) that insulin was necessary with GH to cause the more anabolic IGF+1. This relates to natural GH, but I wondered whether it would mean that exogenous GH would be less effective on ketosis (I'm a total newb on any aas issue, but just offering it as a possibility)

 

[Juicin]

I never saw the purpose of being in ketosis. It's very unhealthy.

Agreed. I can't imagine the benefits of a ketogenic outweighing the negative affects it has on your body

 

[10001110101]

hgh makes more igf-1, igf-1 is "insulin-like growth factor 1" the reason it's called insulin-like is because it acts like a weak insulin.

this is why GH causes insulin resistance. this is why you are having trouble getting into ketosis.

get some Alpha lipoic acid take 300mg with a large serving of ground beef (not lean) you will be in ketosis by the next morning if not later that day

and yes ketostix accurately measure ketosis (there is always some spillover into urine) and not ketoacidosis, however for diabetics benign ketosis develops rapidly into ketoacidosis which is dangerous which is why diabetics need to avoid going into ketosis!

 

[eddymerckx]

Those sticks are for diabetics to see if they are in diabetic ketoacidosis. If they turn purple, it is a pathological condition and a medical emergency.

If you are in ketosis, then your body will be burning the ketones as a source of energy, not urinating them out.

If anything, you will get 'trace' on the sticks, and that will typically be after cardio.

I hope that is clear.

agree---not sure how ketoacidosis and ketosis can be confused so often

i would also be very cautious with diet because of the slow onset of insulin supression caused by the GH.

 

[Primordial Performance]

Ketoacidosis is not a risk in a non-diabetic. Its deadly for diebetics because they don’t have enough insulin [or sensitivity] to clear the ketones from the blood [yes, small amounts of insulin are needed to utilize ketones for energy and clear then from the blood]

So ketosis is just fine for a healthy individual. There is nothing unhealthy about it unless your body isn’t used to it which the only side effect is feeling like shit… but this only last 1-2 weeks until your body starts learning how to use ketones.

I wouldn’t be too concerned about staying “purple”… its very tough for a well trained athlete to get into ketosis since their gluconeogenesis conversion is working well enough to convert proteins to carbs and keep the blood sugar high enough to avoid extreme ketosis.

-Pp

 

[starskulker]

So does that mean that even though it doesnt show that I am burning or releasing ketones..I am still using my fat stores for energy and am losing it? I know my carbs have been under 40 per day but usually use the sticks to for assurance that I'm doing well with it.

 

[Primordial Performance]

So does that mean that even though it doesnt show that I am burning or releasing ketones..I am still using my fat stores for energy and am losing it? I know my carbs have been under 40 per day but usually use the sticks to for assurance that I'm doing well with it.

Yeah, you should still be losing fat even if you are only showing trace ketones.

Try to keep your protein meals under 25gm too… this will reduce their insulinemic effect and stay away from whey protein, except for after the workouts.

-Pp

 

[bigjd69]

So someone with Type 2 Diabetes should stay away from a low carb or ketogenic diet?

 

[Primordial Performance]

So someone with Type 2 Diabetes should stay away from a low carb or ketogenic diet?

A low-cart diet is great for a diebetic if they are very closely monitored. If they start improving insulin sensitivity too much and are on insulin sensitizing drugs or high amounts of insulin they can drive themselves hypo and kill themselves.

Reducing insulin requirements should be a #1 goal, but it has to be done carefully. Going on a low carb diet can help accomplish this under close supervision.

-Pp

 

[bigjd69]

THANKS Primordial. What about a diet like Dave Palumbos for someone that has Type 2 and is taking meds????

 

[Primordial Performance]

Im not familiar with Daves diet... what sort of meds?

-Pp