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Can muscle hinder your ability?
- Thread starter Fabolous
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Djimbe
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Simple :
1: Bruce only studied at ANY MA school for 18-22 months According to his fellow students . This is of course Yip Man's school Im referring to .
2: Bruce studied at a time when YM was no longer even really teaching the classes - Bruce's real instructor was Wong Shung Leung (not a bad teacher himsef though)
3: Bruce only learned about half of the Wing Chun system . The fact is that he never completed his training . He was never a certified Instructor under ANY MA system or teacher .
4: Bruce started acting at age 6 , his father was an actor , and so was his mother . He was trained and raised as an actor by actors . He was a 2-year MAist (at best) and a Lifelong ACTOR .
5: You , like most ppl are mistaking renown for experience . Bruce was all theory and no application - he NEVER used JKD in a full contact fight - and no one using it - as he taught it - has EVER won any major full contact title .
Bolo was a Martial Artist and a desciple of Yang style Taijiquan LONG before bruce had even had his first MA LESSON !
Actually Yeung is the Certified Martial Arts instrctor, AND teacher of Physical Culture - you see , the 2 things arent seperate in China . Kung Fu Sifu also teach Strength Training , Gymnastics , Phys. Ed. , Powerlifting , etc. - Martial Arts and Powerlifting do the same thing - generate tons of Force along a specific Plane Of Motion.
And as far as "JKD" goes , the system is a joke , functionally . I mean , its a platypus , trying to be "The Best Of Everything" but you know what ? Systems have the simpler parts to "set up" for the "Best Moves" - In boxing Jabs exist to set up that knockout Hook , and in Muay Thai the Teep sets up the Roundhouse Kicks and Killer Elbows . The Footwork , the Structures - everything goes together . You cant do Muay Thai from Baguazahng footwork , and you cant do Wing Chun with Fencing footwork . You just cant . Systems are INTEGRATED for a reason . The Footwork , stances , strikes , throws and Locks are all designed to work TOGETHER . The fact that bruce thought that things could be different only showed what a novice he was . Fighting techniques dont come off a Buffet or A La Carte .
Djimbe
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you DO realise that films are DESIGNED to make the protagonist look faster/stronger/tougher than the "Bad Guys" , right ? No , Bruce would pretty much just have gotten Folded Up by a guy like Bolo .
Actually, there were certain fight sequences in which the film had to be slowed down because Bruce's hand speed was too quick.
Secondly, as far as JKD goes, Lee saw the problems in traditional styles and the need to evolve. JKD utilizes economy of motion as the traditional styles were restricted. He also believed in using whatever works- which could be said is the base MMA is derived from- using what works without being bound by a traditional form. He had amazing skill and work ethic- and his speed was absolutely blinding. Bolo was a very good martial artist, acrobat, and body builder- but I would put my money on Lee hitting him multiple times before Bolo could manage a counter.
+1. Nevertheless Lee deserves the merit of pioneer and "ambassador" of martial arts. Not the best fighter but a great mind.
Djimbe
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and thats because at the time the film sucked , not b/c of any special ability of Bruce's . And Jet Li is told to slow down all the time to this day - with FAR superior equipment at his disposal .
Besides , give me a slow bastard with half decent Timing and Ill show you how to DESTROY speed every single time . Speed really just isnt that important once you know the Physics ofcombat well . I mean , sure , its still a factor , but by no means even in the top 5 of what decides fights between top level competitors usually .
no , Lee saw a way to appeal to the adolescent American Mindset , and an easy way to tell ppl that they could get MORE PAWA with LESS TRAINING . Thats what Americans are always looking for , Infomercial Kung Fu . In other words , ppl would hear him saying that they didn't have to do all the "Boring stuff" like forms and stances training and Qigong - all you need to do is kick bags and spar and you'll be DABEST !!!!
That SOUNDS nice , but it is only prtially true . And the only part that DOES use "Economy Of Motion" is the parts from Wing Chun - the traditional system that he PARTIALLY studied and bashed because of his ignorance of how later on the system MAKES UP for the holes in it that beginners dont know .
Stop quoting Sales Pitches . What does that even Mean ? Seriously have you ever trained at a REAL Karate School ? One that trains for Full Contact competition ?
Traditional training is designed to get the correct structure into your body and over time get you to FORGET the form and flow freely . Different systems do this in different ways . Capoeira has the Roda , Taiji has Push Hands , Wing Chun has Chi Sau and ALL have San Shou (free sparring) First you perfect the tools in your aresenal , and then you perfect your use of them . THERE ARE NO SHORTCUTS - you have to throw 1000 kicks and 1000 punches a day for 1000 consecutive days to even be considered a BEGINNER by me . You have to punch with Weights in your hands , empty handed , and against Resistance (makiwara/pads) , You have to practice your Stances , your Foortork , and MASTER IT ALL SEPERATELY before you can begin to combine it .
And by the by , MOST successfull MMA fighters are masters of ONE SYSTEM , and have crappily - or at best mediocrely (is that a word ?) - rounded out games in other areas .
What do you mean "Works" ? "Works" for WHAT , exactly ? Movies ? Because he SURE wasnt Fighting ppl as an adult . He made flashy movements on camera , most of wich would have gotten him plowed in a fight .
To be a fighter you have to fight .
To know what works in a fight , you have to fight .
Bruce didnt fight .
Bruce NEVER EVER used JKD in a fight .
EVER .
Bruce had nothing but theory .
"Traditional" seems to be a word youre hung up on . Guess what ? Wrestling , Boxing , BJJ , Sombo - all are TRADITIONAL MAs !
They have Codified Techs , Uniforms , andare handed down over time . In fact all of these are Older than Wing Chun or Baguazhang as systems !
"Forms" are just Shadowboxing . All fighters do it . But its not ALL they do . I Train in Taijiquan . I dont think i even REMEMBER how to do the Tai Chi big frame form in order anymore . I mix it up , I let it Flow , I jump from movement to movement like in a real fight . I dont train it in the order i memorised it , thats just TO MEMORISE IT , not for fighting .
Work ethic is garbage without humility . He couldnt humble himself to study under ppl that knew better than he did . and I can use a NON-MARTIAL example to prove this point . Look at Lee's Workout routines . They were a joke , and they included "Ideas" like the concept that lifting one lb 1000 times was the same thing as being able to lift 1000 lbs , because doing both feats meets the scientific definition of "work" . ANY powerlifter can tell you they are NOT the same thing .
Bruce could have very simplv gone right over to Gold's and gotten advice from ANY of the guys lifting there in the "Golden Age" of Bodybuilding , and guess what ? He wouldn't have broken his back doing Good Mornings , and would have known how to train for strength PROPERLY .
That is your opinion . I look at him and think hes marginally above average , personally .
Then you simply don't know that much about Kineseology , my man .
Blane
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william shatner is a judo yodan.
