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can I or should I drink ALCOHOL????

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INTRODUCTION

Ethyl alcohol or ethanol, known commonly as alcohol, is the same whether the beverage is wine, beer, or hard liquor. Beverage alcohol is a drug that depresses the central nervous system, like barbiturates, sedatives, and anesthetics. Alcohol is not a stimulant. There is no question that the person who drinks alcohol seems stimulated. Speech becomes free and animated, social inhibitions may be forgotten, and the drinker can begin to act and feel more emotional. But these effects are misleading; the "stimulation" occurs only because alcohol affects those portions of the brain that control judgment. "Being stimulated" by alcohol actually amounts to a depression of self-control. A principal effect of alcohol is to slow down brain activity, and depending on what, how much, and how fast a person drinks, the result is slurred speech, hazy thinking, slowed reaction time, dulled hearing, impaired vision, weakened muscles and fogged memory. Certainly not a stimulating experience!

Alcohol is also classified as a food because it contains calories. The average drink has about the same calorie count as a large potato but, unlike a potato or any other food, alcohol has no nutritional value. The calories are empty.

PHYSIOLOGY

Basics of alcohol metabolism:

Alcohol is not digested like other foods. Instead of being converted and transported to cells and tissues, it avoids the normal digestive process and goes directly to the blood stream. About 20 percent of the alcohol is absorbed directly into the blood through the stomach walls and 80 percent is absorbed into the bloodstream through the small intestine.

Alcohol dilutes itself in the water volume of the body in order to travel through the system. Those vital organs, like the brain, that contain a lot of water and need an ample blood supply are particularly vulnerable to the effects of alcohol. Alcohol's dilution in the body does cut its effect somewhat. There one important biological difference between men and women comes into play: Muscle tissue contains more water than fat tissue, so men -- who have more muscle and less fat on the average than women -- can have about 10 percent more water in their bodies. If a lean man and a lean woman of equal weight consume the same amount of liquor, the woman is more adversely affected for this and other reasons.

The initial impact of alcohol:

The brain, liver, heart, pancreas, lungs, kidneys, and every other organ and tissue system are infiltrated by alcohol within minutes after it passes into the blood stream. The strength of the drink will have a significant effect on absorption rates, with higher concentrations of alcohol resulting in more rapid absorption. Pure alcohol is generally absorbed faster than diluted alcohols, which are, in turn, absorbed faster than wine or beer.

Alcohol taken in concentrated amounts can irritate the stomach lining to the extent that it produces a sticky mucous which delays absorption. The pylorus valve which connects the stomach and small intestine may go into spasm in the presence of concentrated alcohol, trapping the alcohol in the stomach instead of passing it on to the small intestine where it would be more rapidly absorbed into the blood stream. The drinker who downs several straight shots in an effort to get a quick high may actually experience a delayed effect. Finally, the temperature of the beverage affects its absorption, with warm alcohol being absorbed more rapidly than cold alcohol.

Measurement of effect by blood alcohol level (BAL):

The drinker's blood alcohol level rises as a factor of the relationship among the amount of alcohol consumed, body size and proportion of body fat, the amount of food in the stomach, and what is mixed with the alcohol. The BAL rises more rapidly in those who drink on an empty stomach. Water and fruit juices slow the absorption process, while carbon dioxide speeds it up. The carbon dioxide in champagne and carbonated mixers such as Cola, and soda water rushes through the stomach and intestinal walls into the blood stream, carrying alcohol with it and creating a rapid rise in BAL. A 0.08 BAL, for example, indicates approximately 8 parts alcohol to 10,000 parts other blood components. When a person drinks more alcohol than his or her body can eliminate, alcohol accumulates in the blood stream and the BAL rises.

Elimination of alcohol from a healthy adult body occurs at an average rate of approximately ½ to 3/4 ounce per hour, the equivalent of 1 ounce of 100-proof whiskey, one large beer, or about 3 to 4 ounces of wine. When blood alcohol concentrations reach very high levels, the brain's control over the respiratory system may be paralyzed. A .30 BAL is the minimum level at which death can occur; at .40 the drinker may lapse into a coma. At .50 BAL, respiratory functions and heartbeat slow drastically, and at .60 most drinkers are dead.

BODY SYSTEMS AND EFFECTS

The Liver:

Located in the upper-right side of the abdomen, the liver is the body's largest glandular organ. Its complex functions are associated with dozens of processes of body chemistry and metabolism. It produces the bile that helps digest fatty foods; it manufactures heparin, an anticoagulant, it stores and releases sugar. The liver also produces antibodies that help ward off disease, and it cleanses the body of poisons, including alcohol. With small amounts of alcohol, this cleansing can happen effectively. When the amount of alcohol is high, imbalances are created which can lead to hypoglycemia (low blood sugar), hyperuricemia (as in arthritis or gout), fatty liver (which may lead to hepatitis or cirrhosis), and hyperlipemia (build-up of fats sent to the bloodstream; which leads to heart problems).

The Central Nervous System:

The central nervous system (CNS) includes the brain, the spinal cord, and the nerves originating from it. Sensory impulses are transmitted to the CNS and motor impulses pass from it. When alcohol acts on the CNS, intoxication occurs, affecting emotional and sensory function, judgment, memory and learning ability. Smell and taste are dulled. The ability to withstand pain increases as the BAL rises.

Different parts of the brain seem to be affected by alcohol at different rates, creating alternate periods of restlessness and stupor. Long-term effects of alcohol on the central nervous system include tolerance, dependency, and irreversible damage. Changes in tolerance for alcohol, and the alcoholic drinker's dependency on alcohol, demonstrate that changes occur in the brain.

With each drinking episode, central nervous system functions deteriorate in a predictable sequence, beginning with intellectual functioning, followed by disturbances in sensory and motor control. Last affected are the automatic biological functions, such as breathing and heart action.

The brain is the organ that is most affected by alcohol, and proves that it is being damaged through the drinker's behavior changes and emotional distress. Three noticeable effects of alcohol injury to the brain: memory loss, confusion, and augmentation. (Augmentation is a physiological response to alcohol which results in hyper-alertness to normal situations, perceiving light as brighter or sounds as louder than usual, or the drinker’s becoming extremely sad or angry for no apparent reason.) The drinker's rapid mood swings and emotional and behavioral instability can be brought under control by stopping drinking.

Blackouts, or loss of memory for a period during drinking, are a physical effect of alcohol on the brain. They occur as alcohol cuts off the supply of oxygen to the brain. Lack of oxygen supply to the brain can kill tens of thousands of brain cells every time a person becomes intoxicated.

Another effect of alcohol on the brain is the "learned behavior syndrome"; when a behavior is learned under the influence of alcohol, the drinker sometimes must re-learn that behavior after stopping drinking.

The Blood:

One effect of drinking alcohol is "blood-sludging" where the red blood cells clump together causing the small blood vessels to plug up, starve the tissues of oxygen, and cause cell death. This cell death is most serious, and often unrecognized, in the brain. With this increased pressure, capillaries break, create red eyes in the morning, or the red, blotchy skin seen on the heavy drinker's face. Blood vessels can also break in the stomach and esophagus leading to hemorrhage, even death.

Other effects of alcohol on the blood include: anemia; sedation of the bone marrow (which reduces the red and white blood count, and weakens the bone structure); lowered resistance to infection; and a decrease in the ability to fight off infections.

The Gastrointestinal Tract:

The stomach, the small and large intestines, and the pancreas are each affected by alcohol. Alcohol increases acid in the stomach. That can result in gastritis or stomach or intestinal ulcers. The pancreas produces insulin which is necessary to regulate the amount of sugar in the blood. Drinking causes a steep rise in the blood sugar; the pancreas responds by producing insulin which causes a fast drop in blood sugar and the symptom of low blood sugar or hypoglycemia. 70-90% of alcoholics suffer to some degree from the disorder of hypoglycemia, chronic low blood sugar, as a long term effect of their drinking. Symptoms of hypoglycemia can include dizziness, headaches, lack of ability to concentrate, depression, anxiety, light-headedness, tremors, cold sweats, heart palpitations, loss of coordination, and upset stomach. In time, the drinker's overworked pancreas may stop producing insulin and diabetes can result. Conversely, a person with a family history of diabetes may be more vulnerable to problems with alcohol.

The Muscles:

Alcohol reduces blood flow to the muscles, including the heart, causing muscle weakness and deterioration. One outcome is cardiomyopathy (sluggish heart) which is common in alcoholics. Another outcome, arrhythmia (irregular heartbeat), or "holiday heart,"is often treated in emergency wards after several days of party drinking. Muscle aches are a common symptom of excessive-drinking "hangovers."

The Endocrine System:

This system controls the body's hormones and includes the pineal, pituitary, thyroid, and adrenal glands, and the ovaries or testes. Alcohol sedates these glands, resulting in under-production of hormones; effects include increased susceptibility to allergies. Alcohol can effect sexual functioning in various ways. In low doses, it lowers inhibitions and may make a person feel sexier; but in higher doses, it can decrease sexual functioning: in men, by decreasing the frequency of erections, decreasing the maintenance of erections, decreasing penile size during erection, and increasing the amount of time between erections, in women by interfering with normal processes of sexual stimulation, and blocking orgasmic response. With chronic and prolonged use of alcohol in men, there is a shrinkage of sex glands and an increase of the "female hormone" estrogen. This produces secondary sexual characteristics, such as enlarged breasts and a decrease in body hair. Prolonged use of alcohol can cause infertility in both men and women.

TERMS TO UNDERSTAND

Tolerance: As people drink, their tolerance for alcohol may increase. They might seem to be able to "handle" alcohol better and need more to achieve the same effect as before. The liver does not become more tolerant, and is damaged over the course of time, leading to poor liver function and a noticeable decrease in tolerance, or "reverse-tolerance". A heavy drinker's reverse-tolerance is a sign of late-stage alcoholism.

Withdrawal: The effects of alcohol on the body account for the sick, uncomfortable, shaky feelings following a period of drinking. Withdrawal symptoms vary in intensity according to the amount and prolonged frequency of drinking.

Symptoms of alcohol withdrawal include:

* hangovers -- fairly common result of overindulging-- headache, fatigue, thirst, and nervousness. There may be nausea and abdominal cramping. Diagnosed alcoholics report fewer hangovers than drinkers who are non-alcoholic, this may be because they have learned to ignore the symptoms.
* sleep disturbance -- waking up earlier than usual after expecting to "sleep it off," being unable to fall asleep, disturbed dreaming.
* irritability, anxiety, and restlessness -- all caused by the irritant effects of alcohol.
* tremors, or "morning shakes"-- Tremors will clear after several days of abstinence, if there is no permanent damage to the nervous system

* physical weakness, rapid heart rate,
* mental sluggishness
* difficulty thinking clearly or flexibly

All the above are lingering evidence of alcohol's impact on muscles, heart and brain.

For the drinker with only a mild degree of physical dependence, withdrawal effects may not extend beyond the symptoms listed above.

Some drinkers experience second stage withdrawal, marked by:

* convulsions -- seizures usually occur between 12 and 48 hours of the last drink. There may be a loss of consciousness and body control.

Third stage withdrawal symptoms involve:

* alcoholic hallucinosis and delirium tremens -- auditory, visual and tactile hallucinations occur. This period may last for three to four days, during which the de-toxifying person is in a severe state of agitation, is often completely disoriented and sleeps little, if at all. The delusions are almost always terrifying and may produce violent behavior. There is a 10%-20% mortality rate associated with this stage of withdrawal. Detoxification of the acutely ill alcoholic requires medical supervision.

SPECIAL CONCERNS OF WOMEN

Female drinkers reach higher blood alcohol levels (BAL's) faster because of less water and more fat in the body and because of differences in digestive enzymes. Women develop alcohol-related disorders such as brain damage, cirrhosis and cancers at lower levels of drinking than men. It is also known that the menstrual cycle affects alcohol metabolism in women. Women have been shown to develop their highest BAL's immediately before menstruating, and their lowest on the first day of menstruation. This can be related to hormone level shifts. There is evidence which shows that premenstrual syndrome with its emotional and physical discomfort and de-stabilized blood-sugar levels can trigger excessive drinking by some women.

FETAL ALCOHOL SYNDROME (FAS) and FETAL ALCOHOL EFFECT (FAE)

Women who drink during pregnancy risk the development of both mental and physical defects in their children. Effects on the child can include: growth deficiencies; poorly formed bones and organs, heart abnormalities, cleft palate, retarded intellect, delayed motor development, poor coordination, behavior problems, and learning disabilities. Smoking cigarettes, combined with alcohol use, will increase the chance of birth defects. Use of alcohol increases the chance of miscarriage. It is best that a woman avoid alcohol, cigarettes, caffeine, and other drugs entirely during pregnancy. Antabuse is not a suitable treatment for the pregnant or potentially pregnant alcoholic woman; it interferes with maternal liver function and may cause harm to the developing fetus.

Since harm to the infant may result even before a woman realizes that she is pregnant, women who might become pregnant need to be particularly cautious about what they consume.

NUTRITIONAL OVERVIEW

Secondary Diabetes: Diabetes can result from prolonged, excessive use of alcohol. Because it is caused by drinking and not from a genetic disorder, it is called "secondary" diabetes. The symptoms are identical to genetic or "primary" diabetes. Abstinence from alcohol is a vital part of treatment for this disorder.

Vitamins and Proteins: Those who use alcohol excessively deprive their bodies of essential nutrients. The drinker and the recovering alcoholic must pay special attention to diet. A diet high in protein not only provides many of the nutrients vital to recovery, but also keeps the blood sugar from too rapid change. It is better for those who drank excessively to get protein from eggs, milk, or vegetables, than from meats or cheeses. Because of an already-fatty liver, excessive drinkers cannot process the extra fat. When they eat meat, fruit should be eaten; it aids in breaking down fats. Vitamin supplements are helpful for people with drinking problems: these include, vitamins A, B, C and E. Protein supplementation may be important to reducing alcohol craving and maintaining emotional balance for alcoholics wanting to recover from their past heavy drinking. Similarly, a diet high in complex carbohydrates stabilizes blood glucose and reduces the low blood sugar state that can lead to craving alcohol. Understanding one's own special nutritional needs is an important aspect of recovery from excessive alcohol use.

YAAA AAAH no you really should not if you can help it.
Anyway this was taken off another web site forgot where I found it.


And always remember, My uncle says don't drink unless its winny you're drinking
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The Blood:

One effect of drinking alcohol is "blood-sludging" where the red blood cells clump together causing the small blood vessels to plug up, starve the tissues of oxygen, and cause cell death. This cell death is most serious, and often unrecognized, in the brain. With this increased pressure, capillaries break, create red eyes in the morning, or the red, blotchy skin seen on the heavy drinker's face. Blood vessels can also break in the stomach and esophagus leading to hemorrhage, even death.

Other effects of alcohol on the blood include: anemia; sedation of the bone marrow (which reduces the red and white blood count, and weakens the bone structure); lowered resistance to infection; and a decrease in the ability to fight off infections.

I found this to be the most interesting part!!!
 
I drink once a week when I have a day off from gym the next day... count it as your cheat day, gotta live a lil :)
 
I drink 1-2 beers every Christmas and that's about it.

Alcohol is a POS drug.

Terrible for your brain. Terrible for your liver. Terrible because of severely impaired judgement. Terrible because it dehydrates you.

Alcohol has almost no redeeming qualities imo. Maybe 1 glass of red wine a day is cool, but honestly how many people just drink 1 glass or 1 beer to get some enzymes and minor blood thinning?

Not many.

It's hilarious it's even illegal. Several hundred thousand people die every year do to alcohol. Yet pot is illegal and you're evil if you use steroids.

Fuck alcohol. Fuck tobacco too.
 
Thanks for the info Needto, its a subject that seems to pop up in a thread every couple of weeks or so.

I have a couple of beers from time to time - but ONLY when i am off cycle...

I'm Irish , so its my heritage and patriotic duty ! :bouncer:
 
i ONLY drink off cycle. and that is very very far and between. even then it's either some red wine, or some hard apple cider.

I used to have a margarita with my wife every so often. but I cant even stand that anymore. any time I drink hard liquor, I feel like my muscles are shrinking and im loosing my hard earned gains. (i know it's in my head, but still...lol)
 
we've all seem the documentaries and studies.

alcohol is the #1 reason for ER visits.

steroids is #268 or something.

tell that to your gf/bf when they give you shit about your steroid use as you watch them down a glass of wine or beer.

and if i inject myself with steroids before i drive i am not putting others lives at risk.
 
2 " cut & paste's " i though were worth throwing in here....

Alcohol Impairs Protein Synthesis and Degradation in Cultured Skeletal Muscle Cells

Ly Q. Hong-Brown 1 , Robert A. Frost 1 Charles H. Lang 1
1 Department of Cellular and Molecular Physiology, Pennsylvania State College of Medicine, Hershey, Pennsylvania.
Correspondence to Ly Q. Hong-Brown, PhD, Department of Cellular and Molecular Physiology (H166), Pennsylvania State College of Medicine, Hershey, PA 17033; Fax: 717-531-7667; E-mail: [email protected]
Supported by Grant AA11290 from NIAAA.
KEYWORDS
Alcohol • Protein Synthesis • Proteolysis • IGF-I/Insulin Hybrid Receptors

ABSTRACT
Background: Acute and chronic alcohol intoxication decreases skeletal muscle protein synthesis under in vivo conditions. We investigated whether ethanol (EtOH) and its major metabolites, acetaldehyde and acetate, can directly modulate protein balance under in vitro conditions.
Methods: Human myocytes were incubated with different doses of EtOH for varying periods of time (i.e., 4–72 hr). Alternatively, cells were incubated with acetaldehyde, acetate, insulin, insulin-like growth factor-I (IGF-I), or with a combination of EtOH plus insulin or IGF-I. Rates of protein synthesis or degradation were determined by 35S-methionine/cysteine incorporation into or release from cellular protein.
Results: A significant, 15% to 20%, decrease in basal protein synthesis was observed after 24 hr, but not at earlier time points, in response to 80 mM EtOH. Incubation of myocytes for 72 hr decreased synthesis in cells incubated with EtOH ranging between 60 and 120 mM. The ability of IGF-I or insulin to stimulate protein synthesis was impaired by 30% and 60%, respectively, in cells incubated with 80 mM EtOH for 72 hr. Exposure of cells to 200 μM acetaldehyde or 5 mM Na-acetate also decreased basal protein synthesis. In contrast, neither EtOH, acetaldehyde, nor acetate altered the basal rate of protein degradation. However, EtOH completely impaired the ability of insulin and IGF-I to inhibit proteolysis. Finally, EtOH did not impair IGF-I receptor autophosphorylation, but inhibited the ability of insulin to phosphorylate its own receptor. EtOH also did not alter the number of insulin or IGF-I receptors or the formation of insulin/IGF-I hybrid receptors.

Conclusions: We have demonstrated that alcohol can directly inhibit muscle protein synthesis under in vitro conditions. Neither EtOH nor its metabolites altered basal protein degradation, although EtOH did compromise the ability of both insulin and IGF-I to slow proteolysis. This impairment seems to be mediated by different defects in signal transduction.
Inhibition of muscle protein synthesis by alcohol is associated with modulation of eIF2B and eIF4E
Charles H. Lang, Duanqing Wu, Robert A. Frost, Leonard S. Jefferson, Scot R. Kimball, and Thomas C. Vary
Departments of Cellular and Molecular Physiology and Surgery, Pennsylvania State College of Medicine, Hershey, Pennsylvania 17033
The present study examined potential mechanisms for the inhibition of protein synthesis in skeletal muscle after chronic alcohol consumption. Rats were maintained on an alcohol-containing diet for 14 wk; control animals were pair fed. Alcohol-induced myopathy was confirmed by a reduction in lean body mass as well as a decrease in the weight of the gastrocnemius and psoas muscles normalized for tibial length. No alcohol-induced decrease in total RNA content (an estimate of ribosomal RNA) was detected in any muscle examined, suggesting that alcohol reduced translational efficiency but not the capacity for protein synthesis. To identify mechanisms responsible for regulating translational efficiency, we analyzed several eukaryotic initiation factors (eIF). There was no difference in the muscle content of either total eIF2 or the amount of eIF2 in the phosphorylated form between alcohol-fed and control rats. Similarly, the relative amount of eIF2B in muscle was also not different. In contrast, alcohol decreased eIF2B activity in psoas (fast-twitch) but not in soleus or heart (slow-twitch) muscles. Alcohol feeding also dramatically influenced the distribution of eIF4E in the gastrocnemius (fast-twitch) muscle. Compared with control values, muscle from alcohol-fed rats demonstrated 1) an increased binding of the translational repressor 4E-binding protein 1 (4E-BP1) with eIF4E, 2) a decrease in the phosphorylated -form of 4E-BP1, and 3) a decrease in eIF4G associated with eIF4E. In summary, these data suggest that chronic alcohol consumption impairs translation initiation in muscle by altering multiple regulatory sites, including eIF2B activity and eIF4E availability.
 
Some people think the world stops when they are "on cycle" and you have to be super clean and carefull. Just carry on with what you like to do. I'm not gonna stop having fun on other substances just cause I'm injecting test in me.
 
I love alcohol, had some of the best times in my life drunk. But over doing it does make u feel like shit. I drink once a week on a sat night, low calorie mixers like vodka/coke, maybe couple shots, then plenty of water before bed. I never get wasted, just to the point of absolute confidence. Then i'm on the ladies :p
 
Columbo, So that study states that protein synthesis is decreased by 20% when alcohol is consumed for 24 hours, so if one were to drink for say 1 hour does protein synthesis drop by 1.2% LOL

Which bodybuilders ever drink for that long anyways? So it is inapplicable to any of us.

I dont think social drinks from time to time is going to effect protein synthesis one bit according to those studies.

I drink alcohol if the occsion calls for it. Only a couple usually vodka and soda water or shots of vodka. It makes you more sociable, confident and enjoy yourself more oh and it makes you more attractive to the ladies LOL (at least in your head)

I dont usually eat solid food before during or after I drink, I have a protein shake before I head out and drink lots of water before I go to bed.

Live a little, the key is moderation as with everything
 
I try to keep my consumption to a minimum.I party all around the world so sometimes I do have a drink or two.
 
I love alcohol, had some of the best times in my life drunk. But over doing it does make u feel like shit. I drink once a week on a sat night, low calorie mixers like vodka/coke, maybe couple shots, then plenty of water before bed. I never get wasted, just to the point of absolute confidence. Then i'm on the ladies :p

You said it brother! I dont know how some of you guys unwind sometimes. Some of you guys must be real fun to hang out and shoot the breeze with, lol. Of course over doing is counterproductive but a man has to enjoy himself here and there.
 
Here's my 2 cc. I used to drink heavily up to 5 yrs ago when I decided to become serious about this lifestyle; I consider myself a Power/Bodybuilder. I also used to smoke cigs, 1-2 packs per day. Gents, this is a LIFESTYLE & @ some point you have to decide how dedicated/serious you really are. It's 1 thing to have a glass of red wine which is good for the heart, but shots w/ the guys will hamper gains, ESPECIALLY as we get older. I'm 40 & trust me, the gains are harder, even w/ juice. Sorry for the long post.
 
Columbo, So that study states that protein synthesis is decreased by 20% when alcohol is consumed for 24 hours, so if one were to drink for say 1 hour does protein synthesis drop by 1.2% LOL

Which bodybuilders ever drink for that long anyways? So it is inapplicable to any of us.

I dont think social drinks from time to time is going to effect protein synthesis one bit according to those studies.

I drink alcohol if the occsion calls for it. Only a couple usually vodka and soda water or shots of vodka. It makes you more sociable, confident and enjoy yourself more oh and it makes you more attractive to the ladies LOL (at least in your head)

I dont usually eat solid food before during or after I drink, I have a protein shake before I head out and drink lots of water before I go to bed.

Live a little, the key is moderation as with everything

Bro dont lie to me , i lived in Australia for 2 years and i know you Aussies love your grog and are well able to drink for 24hrs straight.....you are probably knocking back a stubby of VB right now !:D

All joking aside...it was just info that i had read elsewhere and thought it was worth posting up:)
 
we've all seem the documentaries and studies.

alcohol is the #1 reason for ER visits.

steroids is #268 or something.

tell that to your gf/bf when they give you shit about your steroid use as you watch them down a glass of wine or beer.

and if i inject myself with steroids before i drive i am not putting others lives at risk.

^ Good post, I agree with you.
 
lmfao gotta hate when someone overseas can make an aussie joke, but VB is onyl in victoria

i think he drinks XXXX beer lol

Mate all i drank when i was in Sydney was scooneys of Vitamin B .They would have to scrape me up off the floor of scruffy murphys pub every saturday night .

xxxx and ALL Aussie grog is rocket fuel, :evil:
 
Mate all i drank when i was in Sydney was scooneys of Vitamin B .They would have to scrape me up off the floor of scruffy murphys pub every saturday night .

xxxx and ALL Aussie grog is rocket fuel, :evil:

Well I wont lie to you mate in the past I have pulled some benders, theres a big binge drinking culture here as you have found out first hand LOL I keep that shit to a minimum now though and your right sir VB is the choice of beer round these parts!
 
Excellent article... Thanks for posting it up!

I don't drink at all... Never was much into it. I like beer, but not worth the consequences (body fat, lousy metabolism, limp tool, etc), and I could go on & on... Most people I know who are recreational drinkers, do so because it's what everybody else does. But everybody else sitting with a beer in hand, can't say they look better at 43 than most 20-year-old guys on MTV, nor could they outperform an 18-year-old kid with the women. For me, that's a hands-down easy pick.

Charles
 
Excellent article... Thanks for posting it up!

I don't drink at all... Never was much into it. I like beer, but not worth the consequences (body fat, lousy metabolism, limp tool, etc), and I could go on & on... Most people I know who are recreational drinkers, do so because it's what everybody else does. But everybody else sitting with a beer in hand, can't say they look better at 43 than most 20-year-old guys on MTV, nor could they outperform an 18-year-old kid with the women. For me, that's a hands-down easy pick.

Charles

judging by your pic there is no way you would be that jacked if you drank everyday. no way.

there is a dude at my gym who works out like literally everyday, i see him in there all the time. he's got nothing. he is just a tall skinny guy. he tells me all the time how he gets wasted every night. and i nod and laugh, what a waste cause i know he's got a lot of talent and discipline in the weight room, and to throw it all away cause of his alcoholism is a damn shame.
 
True. I drink 1/2 a glass of dark cab (red) wine, 4 days a week. Few times a year at a party i might drink 2-3 glasses.


Good info need2



I drink 1-2 beers every Christmas and that's about it.

Alcohol is a POS drug.

Terrible for your brain. Terrible for your liver. Terrible because of severely impaired judgement. Terrible because it dehydrates you.

Alcohol has almost no redeeming qualities imo. Maybe 1 glass of red wine a day is cool, but honestly how many people just drink 1 glass or 1 beer to get some enzymes and minor blood thinning?

Not many.

It's hilarious it's even illegal. Several hundred thousand people die every year do to alcohol. Yet pot is illegal and you're evil if you use steroids.

Fuck alcohol. Fuck tobacco too.
 
I love alcohol, had some of the best times in my life drunk. But over doing it does make u feel like shit. I drink once a week on a sat night, low calorie mixers like vodka/coke, maybe couple shots, then plenty of water before bed. I never get wasted, just to the point of absolute confidence. Then i'm on the ladies :p

Bingo! Nothin beats a nice vodka/soda after a nice dinner then out on the town with a few ladies. Just enjoy in moderdation. Some bro's need to loosen up a bit
 
I drank so much one time I was speaking and the wrong words were coming out...It was like a stroke. terrible.
Good info above. I think alcohol has a lot of empty calories, and although its a great treat, shouldn't be a nightly occurance.
 
I used to be a proponent of drinking alcohol, lots of it while on juice. While I don't believe myself that it "hinders" gains, I do believe now it's just simply a waste of time and money. I cannot have fun on just alcohol, so may I suggest you dabble in recreational drugs instead if you want to have a good time on juice.
 
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