Calories + Workout Plan for d-bol cycle?

[clab]

Like I said, at 5'5" I'm 162. I'd like to get to 180. 18 lbs. seems reasonable from other posts I've read about d-bol only cycles. 180 would be a heck of a lot of weight for my height. I'm not trying to be Lee Freaking Priest. So if I can take a straight d-bol cycle and protect my liver with milk thistle and ala what is wrong with that? Does it violate the rules of "the game." Also, please post those rules if you have them. Thanks.

 

[PatBateman]

Like I said, at 5'5" I'm 162. I'd like to get to 180. 18 lbs. seems reasonable from other posts I've read about d-bol only cycles. 180 would be a heck of a lot of weight for my height. I'm not trying to be Lee Freaking Priest. So if I can take a straight d-bol cycle and protect my liver with milk thistle and ala what is wrong with that? Does it violate the rules of "the game." Also, please post those rules if you have them. Thanks.

no it doesn't violate them, but you will have a lot more trouble holding up that weight if you just do oral only cycles. At your height 180 is doable, not necessarily keepable with one cycle, but you'll want to explore the world of inj. someday. If you don't, you'll never get to try fina. In my experience, keepable weight gain with dbol is iffy to ok, and keepable strength gain with it is the same.

I think you should try dbol at 25-30mg ed for 5-6 weeks and Eq at 500mg wk for 10 weeks along with supps/ancilliaries.

 

[Beezers]

Dbol causes intramuscular water retention of which anastrozol will have little effect on so although one may using armidex/liquidex while on they are still watered down gains. Dbol does not bind stringly to the androgen receptor and thus does not initiate direct muslce protein synthsis in the targeted cells. It's actions come from extrinsic actions in regards to the androgen receptor. It can aid in strenght gains which can increase muscle tension meaning greater recruitment of type 2 muscle fibers and hence increased muscle hypertrophic capabilities. It can decrease muscle protein degredation. It can also work on growth factors which then go on to have anabolic effects, but they aren't of the magnitude of that when the androgen receptor is agressively bound. Contrary to popular beleif, dbol is not a great muscle builder. It's water retentive properties often disguise themselves as muscle tissue, but they aren't. If offers rapid strenght gains which can make for a nice start to a cycle, but other than that it's muscle synthesizing properties are indirect and thus less impactfull.

The point is there are better choices for a first cycle. Better ways to make better use of your money and effort. Most of the time people who run dbol only cycles are uneducated, impatient, and underdeveloped when it comes to weight training and proper dietary practices.

If you are thinking about your first cycle you should already know how to eat and how to train. If those two factors aren't in place you aren't going to have much success with a cycle of anything. Those are what determine gains, not the drugs. AAS can only enhance the response to training stimulus and nutritional status.

Why are you thinking of Dbol only? Fear of needls? Side effects? For whatever reason it simply means you should spend some more time and educate yourself about AAS use. Knowing what you're putting into your body not only greatly decreases risk involvement, but it also greatly enhances the gains you will make.

A simple testosterone only cycle will be far more effective and rewarding. No gains are entirely keepable. You will always loose muscle mass when discontinuing the drug/s you're on unless you juiced way too early and were very far from your natural ability...which is often times the case. Most of the time all people have to do is start eating right and they will explode with new mass. Most of the time this is the most neglected aspect of the game. Only when you dial the three keys in should you move on to AAS use. DIET, training, lifestyle.

 

[WARBIRDWS6]

Main thing here is like all the sensible people will tell you......Your training and diet and supplementation (pharmaceutical and natural) is what will dictate how well you do and how much you will keep. regardless of what anyone says, a 30mg dose of oral steroid like dbol can only aid you in gaining muscle mass. if you train intelligently and like an animal.......eat your protein every 2-3 hours........Take arimidex/ALA/Whatever else you can get your hands on while "on".......take proper clomid dosage along with clen post cycle while keeping protein and calories high......well you get the picture. you'll gain and keep size. especially since its your first cycle (i believe). i was thinking of getting some EQ myself now that i can get a hold of some from a reputable source (several actually). But i'm sticking with the dbol only just to see what happens at this point. Just make sure you cover all your bases and do what you know you need to do anyway........and you should be alright. also, space the tabs 5mg every 4 hrs to keep levels constant. i feel that is helping also. And not everyone is "afraid" of needles. some can't get their hands on legit stuff, and some just don't want to go to that extreme....having a body that the girls think is "big" isn't all that bad. you bunch of overblown steroid freaks! lol.

 

[clab]

Thanks again Warbird. I appreciate some of the advice Beezer. I am anything but uneducated regarding diet and workout regimen. I have tried and had success with ckd. I utilize German volume training and regularly use varied tempo training. It's not about a fear of needles, it's what I have access too. My friend is going to personally deliver some. My landlord sometimes accidentally gets my packages, and I've heard getting a p.o. box enhances suspicion. Thus, I'm going with what is available. I'm going to do a bit of cardio to deal with the water retention. I realize it may not be the perfect cycle, but given all the circumstances it is the best fit for me now. Thanks.

 

[WARBIRDWS6]

Don't feel too bad. below is all i have in house right now, and due to money constraints.....it will have to do for a while. other than some accessory drugs that can be had cheap here domestic now.
200 5mg dbol russian
250 50mg anadrol IP
115 50mg winny IP
65 10mg anavar IP
shitload of clomid 25 mg caps, and nc*p clomid, and IP clomid
astra zeneca arimidex
nc*p Clens
proscar/cialis(that i don't need, lol)
the above makes my liver ache already, and makes they guys here shake their head saying "that oral shit won't work".

 

[PatBateman]

Dbol causes intramuscular water retention of which anastrozol will have little effect on so although one may using armidex/liquidex while on they are still watered down gains. Dbol does not bind stringly to the androgen receptor and thus does not initiate direct muslce protein synthsis in the targeted cells. It's actions come from extrinsic actions in regards to the androgen receptor. It can aid in strenght gains which can increase muscle tension meaning greater recruitment of type 2 muscle fibers and hence increased muscle hypertrophic capabilities. It can decrease muscle protein degredation. It can also work on growth factors which then go on to have anabolic effects, but they aren't of the magnitude of that when the androgen receptor is agressively bound. Contrary to popular beleif, dbol is not a great muscle builder. It's water retentive properties often disguise themselves as muscle tissue, but they aren't. If offers rapid strenght gains which can make for a nice start to a cycle, but other than that it's muscle synthesizing properties are indirect and thus less impactfull.

The point is there are better choices for a first cycle. Better ways to make better use of your money and effort. Most of the time people who run dbol only cycles are uneducated, impatient, and underdeveloped when it comes to weight training and proper dietary practices.

If you are thinking about your first cycle you should already know how to eat and how to train. If those two factors aren't in place you aren't going to have much success with a cycle of anything. Those are what determine gains, not the drugs. AAS can only enhance the response to training stimulus and nutritional status.

Why are you thinking of Dbol only? Fear of needls? Side effects? For whatever reason it simply means you should spend some more time and educate yourself about AAS use. Knowing what you're putting into your body not only greatly decreases risk involvement, but it also greatly enhances the gains you will make.

A simple testosterone only cycle will be far more effective and rewarding. No gains are entirely keepable. You will always loose muscle mass when discontinuing the drug/s you're on unless you juiced way too early and were very far from your natural ability...which is often times the case. Most of the time all people have to do is start eating right and they will explode with new mass. Most of the time this is the most neglected aspect of the game. Only when you dial the three keys in should you move on to AAS use. DIET, training, lifestyle.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Awesome, awesome post bro, I am cutting and pasting it to save.

 

[Nutri-Wrestler]

damn, that was a good post. he is a newbie and might have a fear of needles, hell, i do! but thats not gonna stop me. give him some time, he will learn and will eventually learn to deal with being a human pin cushion. just dont flame the newb too bad, hes tryin to learn.