Busted. What Do You Do?

[BigCracker]

After years of dodging legal bullets from the man, I thought some of you guys might benefit greatly from sharing some of my(or my friend's experiences). I'm going to give you guys real life scenarios the could occur with anyone that possesses,sells, or uses AAS and I wanna know what you would do in this situation. Think it through, and be honest with how you would react. Answering correctly (and being mentally capable of doing the same thing in real life) could save you thousands of $$$ in fines/legal expenses, possible jail time, and probation. Answering wrong, or not knowing what to do could cause you to really fuck yourself way worse than it has to be-even when caught w/ your hands in the cookie jar.

2 detectives show up at you and your gf's crib w/ a warrant to search for AAS. They find 10 x 10ml bottles of test cyp in your dresser. They ask you if it's yours. (question #1) What do you say? Regardless of how you answer #1, you're probably getting arrested for possession. They bring you down to the police station, book you,print you, etc. They sit you in a small room for about 2 hrs deliberately so you'll be hating life, nervous, and ready to cooperate. (question #2) In comes a cop, he asks you if the steroids were yours again. What do you answer? The cop tells you the only way he can help you is if you help him. He says if you can get 2 of your friends(or anyone willing) to sell you roids on hidden video they'll let you off 100%-no court/no fines/no police record/nothing. (question #3) Do you take the deal? Let's assume you don't take the deal. Now the cop pulls out a statement signed by your gf/wife saying that the roids were yours exclusively, and if you don't admit possession they're arresting your wife/gf too. They also threaten to seize your house and cars. You now feel guilty that you got your old lady involved in your personal BS. (question #4) Do you bite the bullet and admit the roids were yours? Let's say you're a selfish bastard and you feel totally betrayed by your gf/wife for signing that document, so they offer you a shot at signing a similar statement saying the roids were in fact hers. (question #5) Do you sign it and let that Judas bitch take the heat? In general, the cops trying to let you know you've fucked up real bad and you're going down big time no matter what. (question #6) What do you say? (question #7) How long can you expect to be in jail before getting released?

All of these answers may seem rather trivial when you're shitting bricks, but the answers could easily be the difference between getting off 100%, getting a plea bargain that you can live with, or winding up in a legal mess w/ all the charges to sticking to you like glue=max fines/penalties. After I see some responses, I'll review questions 1-8 and tell you what I've seen happen in similar situations and why you should answer the way that I suggest. Keep in mind-cops are not your friends, ever. They're trained to put you at ease so you'll spill the beans and make their case against you a strong one-even when it isn't. Cops also lie regularly too. When you're answering the above questions properly, the cops will become agitated-which probably means you're doing a good job.

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

When they ask the first question, you immediately ask to talk to an attorney. Dont answer yes or no to any questions period. With the right attorney and the right amount of money, you can get out of anything..

 

[hankes64]

Usually they knock on your door first to ask to come in for a peek before they have a warrant at that time you dump all your shit.

 

[BigCracker]

When they ask the first question, you immediately ask to talk to an attorney. Dont answer yes or no to any questions period. With the right attorney and the right amount of money, you can get out of anything..

You have to be arrested first to ask for an attorney bro. They purposely ask you if the contraband is yours before they arrest you intentionally.

 

[BigCracker]

Usually they knock on your door first to ask to come in for a peek before they have a warrant at that time you dump all your shit.

Quit changing the story. For whatever reason, the cops already had a warrant. And trust me, if they already have enough evidence against you to get a warrant you're not going to get any warning beforehand.

 

[drrman]

very easy as to what i would do.....keep my mouth shut and demand a lawyer....actually my lawyer i have on retainer! And my girlfriend who lives with me has been WELL learned in the actions she needs to take EVERY situation.....we've been together through a LOT of shit and i have BURNED into her brain exactly what she needs to do in these situations!

I know the police can lie and present "false" statements that my girl has supposedly signed to get me to do or say what they want....but you can avoid all of this by demanding a lawyer be present before they question you anymore.

I too have seen MANY friends and other people i know talk themselves into a hole. One friend is serving 7 years because of his girl being "stupid"

 

[benevolent anarchist]

You politely say that you understand what they are asking but that you would like to exercise your right to speak with your attorney. They will ask the same question from a few different angles while trying to agitate you but again—you remain polite and you respectfully request that you speak with an attorney.

In your scenario; the biggest problem could be the girlfriend. They will separate and pit you against one another.

 

[taoiron]

1. Admit nothing
2. Deny everything
3. Demand proof

A. Never store more than what you need for the immediate future at your residence.
B. Never have gear sent to your residence.
C. Never have gear sent to the place you store it.
D. Always keep your security layer at least 2 layers deep.


Tao

 

[anabolic12]

I know that you have requested what we all would answer, but I really think under these circumstances I would continue to say nothing, but inform them that I want to speak with my attorney. So I would just sit in silence until my attorney came regardless of what was happening or what I was being asked. From the beginning when they asked if they were mine I would say nothing. I know not talking would piss them off, but I would rather say nothing. Even when they showed me the letter from my gf, I wouldn’t say anything

 

[drrman]

one point cracker

what everyone on here "says" they would do and what they would actually do when under the pressure are most likely two different things.....i have been through a world of drugs/slinging for quite a few years so i know what the deal is......but as for those that have never really done anything illegal and haven't been put to the real test in a real situation they quite possible will NOT do what they have been planning to do in the situation........REAL police presence can be a true shock!

 

[BigCracker]

1. Admit nothing
2. Deny everything
3. Demand proof

A. Never store more than what you need for the immediate future at your residence.
B. Never have gear sent to your residence.
C. Never have gear sent to the place you store it.
D. Always keep your security layer at least 2 layers deep.


Tao

Excellent! But you forgot the one thing many guys do w/o thinking-it's the easiest way for the cops to get a search warrant for your home aside from selling to a cop directly. What is it?

 

[MadManiac13]

Quit changing the story. For whatever reason, the cops already had a warrant. And trust me, if they already have enough evidence against you to get a warrant you're not going to get any warning beforehand.

Yeah, My buddies roomate, unbenounced to him, was selling some illegal drugs (not AAS) and they had no warning before the DEA kicked in their door at 5:30 one morning.

 

[hankes64]

I dont understand why can't you have ot sent to your place? where else you goingt o send it?

 

[hankes64]

Excellent! But you forgot the one thing many guys do w/o thinking-it's the easiest way for the cops to get a search warrant for your home aside from selling to a cop directly. What is it?

Cops actually followed you and watched you deal or buy?

 

[BigCracker]

Cops actually followed you and watched you deal or buy?

Nope-throwing away your empty pins/vials in your trash. Once you take your garbage out to the dumpster or set it roadside for pick up it's fair game for cops to search. If they find anything in it AAS related it will be enough to get a warrant to search your crib. Even cycles you've mapped out on paper would be enough in most cases-so shred that stuff too.

 

[hankes64]

Nope-throwing away your empty pins/vials in your trash. Once you take your garbage out to the dumpster or set it roadside for pick up it's fair game for cops to search. If they find anything in it AAS related it will be enough to get a warrant to search your crib. Even cycles you've mapped out on paper would be enough in most cases-so shred that stuff too.

Where do you toss it? Why not ship the goods to your house? Get a domestic source so you can ship to your house, keep it on the porch for a few days to make sure cops dont ask about it and if they do you say its not yours?

 

[BigCracker]

Yeah, My buddies roomate, unbenounced to him, was selling some illegal drugs (not AAS) and they had no warning before the DEA kicked in their door at 5:30 one morning.

In many cases they even shut off the water to your crib immediately before they enter so you can't flush your stash.

 

[drrman]

In many cases they even shut off the water to your crib immediately before they enter so you can't flush your stash.

yep....but one point...you still got one flush left!

just pointing that out....lol

 

[taoiron]

I dont understand why can't you have ot sent to your place? where else you goingt o send it?

Not saying this is fool proof but this is how I do it.

First… I only order gear 1 or 2 times per year. I order everything I will need so only a couple of packs come in the entire year!!

I have my gear sent to a couple of addresses. It is sent to an alias.
We keep it there in the original packaging for 10-15 days. If someone would come for it we would simply say that a package had come to this address and no one lives here by that name. We would explain that we had not yet put it back into the mail stream. Or….
State that we dropped it back at the post office.

When the package is opened the packaging is destroyed and the gear is taken to the place that I store it.

I have a friend that very few people know of. He has no affiliation with the gym. I have his garage code and have permission to drop in anytime. He lives close to work, so I usually drop in during lunch. I store everything there, gear, pins, and ancillaries.. Everything.

I drop in every couple of weeks and pick up what I need. So for instance right now the only thing I have at home is 2 10ml vials and 1 2ml vial. I have just enough pins to get me thru a couple of weeks. I distribute it in the house and hide it the best I can!!

Tao

 

[02gixxersix2]

Obviously the best thing to do is keep your mouth shut and get a hold of Rick Collins I would assume. All that other stuff is just scare tactcs to egt you to cooperate especiialy for 10 little bottles. I wouldn't even go so far as to deny it until i spoke to a lawyer.

 

[taoiron]

Nope-throwing away your empty pins/vials in your trash. Once you take your garbage out to the dumpster or set it roadside for pick up it's fair game for cops to search. If they find anything in it AAS related it will be enough to get a warrant to search your crib. Even cycles you've mapped out on paper would be enough in most cases-so shred that stuff too.

Good point!!!!

I store my used needles for about a week then pass thru an apartment complex and drop it in a big dumpster on my way to the gym. You do not see to many people out and about @4:30AM.

Tao

 

[digimon7068]

Nope-throwing away your empty pins/vials in your trash. Once you take your garbage out to the dumpster or set it roadside for pick up it's fair game for cops to search. If they find anything in it AAS related it will be enough to get a warrant to search your crib. Even cycles you've mapped out on paper would be enough in most cases-so shred that stuff too.

Mine go in plastic water bottles with the labels removed (don't need anybody tracing any upc's or lot numbers) then, whenever I have a road trip for work, they go in the car and get deposited in a trash receptacle at a highway rest stop a long friggin ways from where I live.

 

[taoiron]

One other thing….


I repackage my ancillaries in liquid nutritional product bottles or things like Listerine bottles.

 

[BigCracker]

Not saying this is fool proof but this is how I do it.

First… I only order gear 1 or 2 times per year. I order everything I will need so only a couple of packs come in the entire year!!

I have my gear sent to a couple of addresses. It is sent to an alias.
We keep it there in the original packaging for 10-15 days. If someone would come for it we would simply say that a package had come to this address and no one lives here by that name. We would explain that we had not yet put it back into the mail stream. Or….
State that we dropped it back at the post office.

When the package is opened the packaging is destroyed and the gear is taken to the place that I store it.

I have a friend that very few people know of. He has no affiliation with the gym. I have his garage code and have permission to drop in anytime. He lives close to work, so I usually drop in during lunch. I store everything there, gear, pins, and ancillaries.. Everything.

I drop in every couple of weeks and pick up what I need. So for instance right now the only thing I have at home is 2 10ml vials and 1 2ml vial. I have just enough pins to get me thru a couple of weeks. I distribute it in the house and hide it the best I can!!

Tao

The extra pain in the ass you go through is well worth it. The guys that disagree will likely end up in cell block c someday bitching about how the man is doing them wrong.

 

[hankes64]

Seems like a lot of work,you guys sound like you get it from overseas? If its domestic cant you use an alias and have it sent to your door? Then leave it there for about a week and if its clear take it in, destroy the box and then hide the stuff?

 

[ItalianMuscle27]

You have to be arrested first to ask for an attorney bro. They purposely ask you if the contraband is yours before they arrest you intentionally.

You dont admit or say anything period, that is what I was getting at.. Let them do their search or whatever, and if and when they arrest you, ask for an attorney immediately..Keeping your mouth shut is whats important. They will scare you telling you will be doing years in prison for possession, which is not the case..

 

[taoiron]

BC.... Good thread brotha... Sent you a little Karma.. Check your PM's

 

[BigCracker]

Seems like a lot of work,you guys sound like you get it from overseas? If its domestic cant you use an alias and have it sent to your door? Then leave it there for about a week and if its clear take it in, destroy the box and then hide the stuff?

Nothing is 100%. If the cops wanna bust you they will-even if it means throwing the package through your front door as you leave for work in the morning. Of course this part will be left out of their report. You can cry foul play all that you want. You're still getting asrrested, going to trial, etc.

 

[digimon7068]

1. Admit nothing
2. Deny everything
3. Demand proof

A. Never store more than what you need for the immediate future at your residence.
B. Never have gear sent to your residence.
C. Never have gear sent to the place you store it.
D. Always keep your security layer at least 2 layers deep.


Tao

I know that all that stuff makes sense and, I definitely take steps to try and protect myself. But, do you really think the gubment gives a shit about someone like me? 40-something, professional, family guy, upstanding citizen, don't even speed, use AAS a couple of times a year for something to do. I'm very discreet, I don't even discuss it with my training partner. I just don't see too many people like that getting pinched.

 

[drrman]

Seems like a lot of work,you guys sound like you get it from overseas? If its domestic cant you use an alias and have it sent to your door? Then leave it there for about a week and if its clear take it in, destroy the box and then hide the stuff?

guess many of you guys haven't seen the details on a controlled delivery...they WILL NOT just leave a package at your door and wait on you to pick it up...they will NOT stake out your house and wait for you to bring it inside.....they will try and get you to accept it right then

 

[hankes64]

guess many of you guys haven't seen the details on a controlled delivery...they WILL NOT just leave a package at your door and wait on you to pick it up...they will NOT stake out your house and wait for you to bring it inside.....they will try and get you to accept it right then

This situation is easier, say you never ordered anything and turn them down

 

[BigCracker]

I know that all that stuff makes sense and, I definitely take steps to try and protect myself. But, do you really think the gubment gives a shit about someone like me? 40-something, professional, family guy, upstanding citizen, don't even speed, use AAS a couple of times a year for something to do. I'm very discreet, I don't even discuss it with my training partner. I just don't see too many people like that getting pinched.

The initial story in my 1st post is pertaining to a my friend thats a married, 39 yr old guy with 2 pre teen daughters. He's not huge by any means. Somebody got busted, spit his name, they searched his trash and found pins-which got them the warrant to search his house. It depends on where you live-in my state weed possession is a felony. Even 1/2 joint will get you $2500 fine and 1 yrs drug testing/ probation on a 1st offense.

When the cops cuff you they'll act like it will all go away if you just admit guilt. They'll say "you're a professional, family guy, upstanding citizen, you don't even speed, now just tell us the roids are yours so we can help you" Yeah-help you give them a slam dunk casae against you that sticks. They don't care if you're a nice guy that gives to charity or some wife beating alcoholic-they just want the credit for the bust.

 

[hankes64]

The initial story in my 1st post is pertaining to a my friend thats a married, 39 yr old guy with 2 pre teen daughters. He's not huge by any means. Somebody got busted, spit his name, they searched his trash and found pins-which got them the warrant to search his house. It depends on where you live-in my state weed possession is a felony. Even 1/2 joint will get you $2500 fgine and 1 yrs drug testing/ probation on a 1st offense.

sounds like you live in Arizona

 

[BigCracker]

sounds like you live in Arizona

LOL! and don't get a DUI either. After legal expenses, court costs, 2 wks in jail minimum, and up to 6 months with a suspended license it will cost you a minimum of $10K. If your case goes to trial it will almost double in cost.

 

[Quiltie]

Great thread BC, I'll give you K when I recharge.

They pretty much play it the same every time once they grab you. They'll rotate different cops into the room if they feel they aren't getting anywhere, to wear you down. They'll hold you the full 24 or more and tell you that they'll put you in with the worst murderers if you don't talk. They'll try to be your buddy, talk about people you went to HS with, or mutual friends. The worst is that they threaten your family, that's the last resort usually. That generally breaks most guys, when they tell you that your mom and dad are going to be felons because of you. Remember "Anything you say CAN AND WILL BE USED AGAINST YOU in a court of law". And don't try to be Matlock, and complain that they didn't give you a phone call or Mirandize you; you're wasting your time. Act like you got all the time in the world, don't address questions, ask for an attorney.

 

[Juiced]

I would like to add in a few good tips if you dont mind that I didnt see here, first dont forget if they dont have a warrant and they come to your door and ask to come in and "Talk" You now gave them permission to search your home by allowing them inside, although they can NOT open drawers or dressors until something (pin, bottle, syringe, flip top cap) catches their eye, then they now have the legal right to peroform a full search as if they had a warrant from a judge, so if they ask to talk slam the door in their face as they have nothing, or just step outside and talk out there, never let them in. If I was in that situation I would just keep my mouth closed and ask for my lawyer to come down and then well go from there, and I know they wouldnt ever be able to use my girl against me as she would never rat on me, and I too have her trained on what to do so precisley the cops would hate her too, actually my girl would probably do better than me LOL......Good post, and for anyone on here that uses gear, orders gear, sells gear and has not read legal muscle its a major mistake, even if you learn 1 thing it could save your friggin ass....

 

[wants2getbig]

thanks for the advice and comments. Hopefully everything works out. If it comes down to it I'll keep my mouth shut, ask for an attorney and maintain. Been thru da jail system and know I can't trust anyone who says "Trust me, I can help you out." I'm just stressin cause I'm married with 3 children and I have my medical career ahead of me to think about. Just wanna know how big of a package gets a person noticed by the postal service.

 

[drrman]

thanks for the advice and comments. Hopefully everything works out. If it comes down to it I'll keep my mouth shut, ask for an attorney and maintain. Been thru da jail system and know I can't trust anyone who says "Trust me, I can help you out." I'm just stressin cause I'm married with 3 children and I have my medical career ahead of me to think about. Just wanna know how big of a package gets a person noticed by the postal service.

all depends bro.....you mean how big of a package gets either seized or controlled delivery i assume......this being when it comes through customs or when the mail is just delivering it? if its a domestic package they can NOT open it just for any reason bro and if they do find out there is gear in there they will most likely try and arrest you no matter how small it is being domestic....as either they have something on you or they have somethign on the source that sent it.

as for int'l....i've seen guys get busted for a 300.00 0rder and i have seen a seizure letter for 200 sust, 2000 dball, 1000 anadrol....and heard of more than that just being seized

 

[itlnstln]

My opinion

Keeping stash "someplace else" and then having to transport it home or to that place falls under my first rule of stupidity - Guys always getting pulled-over with gear in their car...............now you've got transportation too, and depending on how you packaged it - you could get intent to distribute.

I never liked using false names/addys/etc with the USPS - don't tell me they can't tack on "federal" charges for fraud.

These are the things "I" think about

Great thread

 

[krishna]

Give us your answers!

 

[itlnstln]

Give us your answers!

Are you talking to me, Harry?

 

[maldorf]

Excellent! But you forgot the one thing many guys do w/o thinking-it's the easiest way for the cops to get a search warrant for your home aside from selling to a cop directly. What is it?

searching through your trash and finding syringes or gear?

 

[BigCracker]

My opinion

Keeping stash "someplace else" and then having to transport it home or to that place falls under my first rule of stupidity - Guys always getting pulled-over with gear in their car...............now you've got transportation too, and depending on how you packaged it - you could get intent to distribute.

Agreed-transporting gear involves risk-but keeping a huge stash at your crib could potentially be worse. Optimally you store your gear at a friends, and shoot up there. Grab enough orals to last you until your next jab kinda thing. I keep orals in a little metal pill container on my keychain. If I get pulled over I just down the whole container. It's a waste, but it won't kill you and beats getting popped.

 

[hankes64]

Agreed-transporting gear involves risk-but keeping a huge stash at your crib could potentially be worse. Optimally you store your gear at a friends, and shoot up there. Grab enough orals to last you until your next jab kinda thing. I keep orals in a little metal pill container on my keychain. If I get pulled over I just down the whole container. It's a waste, but it won't kill you and beats getting popped.

I'm an asthma patient, I use old singulair bottles, they look similiar to hexagonal Dbol anyway

 

[itlnstln]

Agreed-transporting gear involves risk-but keeping a huge stash at your crib could potentially be worse. Optimally you store your gear at a friends, and shoot up there. Grab enough orals to last you until your next jab kinda thing. I keep orals in a little metal pill container on my keychain. If I get pulled over I just down the whole container. It's a waste, but it won't kill you and beats getting popped.

I would never do that to a friend, cause even if he knew what he was getting himself into - I couldn't bare to see him getting in a mess with L.E.

The way I look at it - this is MY choice, and I would never want to involve anyone else.

I never have any more than exactly what I am using - at any given time, - and I don't use that much.

If something happens (God forbid) - at least I'll sleep "easier" knowing I have only myself to worry about.

to each his own

Peace,
Itlnstln

 

[BigCracker]

Great thread BC, I'll give you K when I recharge.

And don't try to be Matlock, and complain that they didn't give you a phone call or Mirandize you; you're wasting your time. Act like you got all the time in the world, don't address questions, ask for an attorney.

I laugh when I hear guys say shit like that. They watch way too much tv. lo Another big misconception that is a cop has to tell you he's a cop if you ask him if he's affiliated w/ law enforcement. Nothing could be further from the truth.

And most guys wanna fix their situation asap, so they give up all the 411 hoping that because that because they were cooperative they'll get let off with a warning. Yeah, right. They did nothing more than nail their own coffin shut.

Another good pointer is to act like you're not too upset. Don't fidget. Pretend to go to sleep if need be. My friend went to sleep in the squad car on the way to jail.

I'll go over the individual questions later this PM.

 

[al420]

Anyone that thinks their "girl" won't rat them out has not lived enough life - when faced w/ a "you or me" situation people start making really dissapointing decisions - regardless of how much you have been though together - what if this was the straw that broke the cammels back?

I think the best advice is the trash thing - I never thought of it.

 

[gstacker]

i wouldnt admit to anything or talk to them, they can use all the scare tactics they want i would get an attorony never snitch if you do the crime do the time im from the old school.

 

[SgtSlaughter]

Pretend to go to sleep if need be. My friend went to sleep in the squad car on the way to jail.

Ah... the undocumented "Lazy Boy Recliner" option installed in that crusier, eh... must have been an enjoyable ride

 

[coldfusion71]

i dont know about this, i have been in houses that were raided for cocaine possesion and i have seen people get away with flushing shit down the toilet and destroying stuff. when police come to your door they have to identify themselves as police officers why would someone jsut open the door wait till those bastards try to break it down, especially when you know you are doing something wrong. you have ample time to dispose the vials crushing them real quick or just emptying them. i know people to this day who deal real drugs not aas they are not nearly as paranoid as you guys and they have weight and never get caught.

 

[drrman]

i dont know about this, i have been in houses that were raided for cocaine possesion and i have seen people get away with flushing shit down the toilet and destroying stuff. when police come to your door they have to identify themselves as police officers why would someone jsut open the door wait till those bastards try to break it down, especially when you know you are doing something wrong. you have ample time to dispose the vials crushing them real quick or just emptying them. i know people to this day who deal real drugs not aas they are not nearly as paranoid as you guys and they have weight and never get caught.

LOL...i was thinking the same thing......i know some fuckers that just know their rights and are attentive and do TONS of real drugs and don't act as paranoid as some here.....but paranoia can be a good thing and most of these guys here myself included have much more to lose than some of those crackheads

 

[dullboy]

dullboy thinks that you should reach into your pocket really fast and approach them in a threatening manner.

 

[gstacker]

i dont know about this, i have been in houses that were raided for cocaine possesion and i have seen people get away with flushing shit down the toilet and destroying stuff. when police come to your door they have to identify themselves as police officers why would someone jsut open the door wait till those bastards try to break it down, especially when you know you are doing something wrong. you have ample time to dispose the vials crushing them real quick or just emptying them. i know people to this day who deal real drugs not aas they are not nearly as paranoid as you guys and they have weight and never get caught.

never got cought and havent got cought yet or pretty much the same thing, best bet now a days is to jus get your gear from a trusted friend and leave all that wu and uspo to themselves

 

[drrman]

dullboy thinks that you should reach into your pocket really fast and approach them in a threatening manner.

lol

 

[goal200]

dullboy thinks that you should reach into your pocket really fast and approach them in a threatening manner.

Haha

 

[njmuscleguy]

I never liked using false names/addys/etc with the USPS - don't tell me they can't tack on "federal" charges for fraud.

Good point.... I was always under the impression that you don't falsify names and addresses, even though I could see why one would want to

 

[KD1]

Dont deny anything, but dont confirm anything. Ask to speak to a lawyer and clam up. If they put you in a detention room, lie down and take a nap.

 

[KD1]

Good point.... I was always under the impression that you don't falsify names and addresses, even though I could see why one would want to

Falsifying your name makes it look like you were trying to cover up an illegal activity.

 

[taoiron]

Falsifying your name makes it look like you were trying to cover up an illegal activity.

It is not your name!!! You did not order it!!! They would have to prove you had it sent to an address with the false name.

If it has your actual name on it then there is no question who it is for!!

 

[wants2getbig]

Thanks for da heads up. Will try meditate on ways to be successful. So basically it's da worst case scenario if you're caught and depends on amt. seized. Back to da cat and mouse game of hide and seek. Good lookin out bros. and thanks again.

 

[hankes64]

It is not your name!!! You did not order it!!! They would have to prove you had it sent to an address with the false name.

If it has your actual name on it then there is no question who it is for!!

Its a mistake, I didnt order it!

 

[KD1]

It is not your name!!! You did not order it!!! They would have to prove you had it sent to an address with the false name.

If it has your actual name on it then there is no question who it is for!!

Why? If you could believe the sender sent it to the wrong address, who's to say he didnt send it to the wrong person? If its some completly made up name the post office can become suspicious and open it themselves - thats actually "probable cause". There is no probable cause if its correctly named and addressed. This is covered in Rick Collins book.

 

[wants2getbig]

all depends bro.....you mean how big of a package gets either seized or controlled delivery i assume......this being when it comes through customs or when the mail is just delivering it? if its a domestic package they can NOT open it just for any reason bro and if they do find out there is gear in there they will most likely try and arrest you no matter how small it is being domestic....as either they have something on you or they have somethign on the source that sent it.

as for int'l....i've seen guys get busted for a 300.00 0rder and i have seen a seizure letter for 200 sust, 2000 dball, 1000 anadrol....and heard of more than that just being seized

Thanks for the FYI bro.

 

[BigPun81]

I just ordered int'l and at first I was a little paranoid about sending it to my address and name but after thinking about it, there is no way they can trace the purchase and it would cost them more money and time than it's worth to send an agent to stake out my post office to see if I pick it up and take it home. And if I didn't open up the package before they bust you, they really don't have much of a case because you could claim you were expecting some type of souveiner or something. Now if you are ordering 1000s of amps and tabs , that is a little more risky. And if you get busted with stuff in your home because they have a warrant you are pretty much screwed. Your best bet is to act like you didn't know that was there/it was planted etc. and wait till they give you a plea bargain or something. If you get caught with drugs in your home after the police served you with a warrant, you have a slim chance of getting off on the charges because the police just wasted time and energy to serve that warrant and do not want to leave empty handed and look like fools.

 

[itlnstln]

It is not your name!!! You did not order it!!! They would have to prove you had it sent to an address with the false name.

If it has your actual name on it then there is no question who it is for!!

Yeah, if they do a full investigation, they will NEVER put 2 and 2 together since this is something they deal with on a daily basis.

If they heard you say that you could deny the false name and address , - LE would laugh thier asses off.

 

[itlnstln]

Why? If you could believe the sender sent it to the wrong address, who's to say he didnt send it to the wrong person? If its some completly made up name the post office can become suspicious and open it themselves - thats actually "probable cause". There is no probable cause if its correctly named and addressed. This is covered in Rick Collins book.

bingo

 

[krishna]

After years of dodging legal bullets from the man, I thought some of you guys might benefit greatly from sharing some of my(or my friend's experiences). I'm going to give you guys real life scenarios the could occur with anyone that possesses,sells, or uses AAS and I wanna know what you would do in this situation. Think it through, and be honest with how you would react. Answering correctly (and being mentally capable of doing the same thing in real life) could save you thousands of $$$ in fines/legal expenses, possible jail time, and probation. Answering wrong, or not knowing what to do could cause you to really fuck yourself way worse than it has to be-even when caught w/ your hands in the cookie jar.

2 detectives show up at you and your gf's crib w/ a warrant to search for AAS. They find 10 x 10ml bottles of test cyp in your dresser. They ask you if it's yours. (question #1) What do you say? Regardless of how you answer #1, you're probably getting arrested for possession. They bring you down to the police station, book you,print you, etc. They sit you in a small room for about 2 hrs deliberately so you'll be hating life, nervous, and ready to cooperate. (question #2) In comes a cop, he asks you if the steroids were yours again. What do you answer? The cop tells you the only way he can help you is if you help him. He says if you can get 2 of your friends(or anyone willing) to sell you roids on hidden video they'll let you off 100%-no court/no fines/no police record/nothing. (question #3) Do you take the deal? Let's assume you don't take the deal. Now the cop pulls out a statement signed by your gf/wife saying that the roids were yours exclusively, and if you don't admit possession they're arresting your wife/gf too. They also threaten to seize your house and cars. You now feel guilty that you got your old lady involved in your personal BS. (question #4) Do you bite the bullet and admit the roids were yours? Let's say you're a selfish bastard and you feel totally betrayed by your gf/wife for signing that document, so they offer you a shot at signing a similar statement saying the roids were in fact hers. (question #5) Do you sign it and let that Judas bitch take the heat? In general, the cops trying to let you know you've fucked up real bad and you're going down big time no matter what. (question #6) What do you say? (question #7) How long can you expect to be in jail before getting released?

All of these answers may seem rather trivial when you're shitting bricks, but the answers could easily be the difference between getting off 100%, getting a plea bargain that you can live with, or winding up in a legal mess w/ all the charges to sticking to you like glue=max fines/penalties. After I see some responses, I'll review questions 1-8 and tell you what I've seen happen in similar situations and why you should answer the way that I suggest. Keep in mind-cops are not your friends, ever. They're trained to put you at ease so you'll spill the beans and make their case against you a strong one-even when it isn't. Cops also lie regularly too. When you're answering the above questions properly, the cops will become agitated-which probably means you're doing a good job.

Alright, I think there's been enough responses. Tell us how to answer the way you suggest on all questions.

 

[Inhibitor13]

Easy, I would have my g/f open the door and allow them to come in.. meanwhile I am loading the AR-15... I wait till I hear the door shut and I storm downstairs bustin caps in all the pigs asses. I then take their bodies and bury them in the backyard and cover it in cement for a new basketball court. Always wanted one of those. SO Meanwhile my g/f drives their vehicle to the nearby chop shop for the extra cash so if anything where to come up I killed anyone it can be used to hire Johnny Cochran (sp?) because he helped OJ win his case.

Inhibitor

 

[Bruce]

simple. they are fuckin with a soon to be lawyer, the son of a big swinging dick attorney in one of the biggest cities, the brother of another attorney, fuck my whole damn family. i don't say a word, call my father/attorney. a month or two down the road they are packing bags very warm to go work in alaska. the last cop that tried to fuck with me is now doing paper work for the rest of his life

 

[nickdentist]

Alright, I think there's been enough responses. Tell us how to answer the way you suggest on all questions.

agreed. what are your answers cracker?

 

[hankes64]

Easy, I would have my g/f open the door and allow them to come in.. meanwhile I am loading the AR-15... I wait till I hear the door shut and I storm downstairs bustin caps in all the pigs asses. I then take their bodies and bury them in the backyard and cover it in cement for a new basketball court. Always wanted one of those. SO Meanwhile my g/f drives their vehicle to the nearby chop shop for the extra cash so if anything where to come up I killed anyone it can be used to hire Johnny Cochran (sp?) because he helped OJ win his case.

Inhibitor

Johnny Cochran is dead.

 

[supra5469]

Just one more FYI we are talking about cops who will do anything to get a bust...You say they need a warrant YEAH RIGHT!! LE busted my cousin by coming to his door and forced their way in, claiming that there was a 911 call made from the house. If want in they will find a way in, lie about it and get away with it. Just ask my cousin

 

[Inhibitor13]

Johnny Cochran is dead.

LOL..... damn, I need to start reading the newspapers or start watching the news. That sucks....well Im screwed then!

Inhibitor

 

[wants2getbig]

I just ordered int'l and at first I was a little paranoid about sending it to my address and name but after thinking about it, there is no way they can trace the purchase and it would cost them more money and time than it's worth to send an agent to stake out my post office to see if I pick it up and take it home. And if I didn't open up the package before they bust you, they really don't have much of a case because you could claim you were expecting some type of souveiner or something. Now if you are ordering 1000s of amps and tabs , that is a little more risky. And if you get busted with stuff in your home because they have a warrant you are pretty much screwed. Your best bet is to act like you didn't know that was there/it was planted etc. and wait till they give you a plea bargain or something. If you get caught with drugs in your home after the police served you with a warrant, you have a slim chance of getting off on the charges because the police just wasted time and energy to serve that warrant and do not want to leave empty handed and look like fools.

Glad you posted da message. It's helpin to relieve some of da anxiety.

 

[BigCracker]

Johnny Cochran is dead.

Maybe he could hire his ghost?

Paranoia is a relative term. For some people spending time in jail/prison is a regular occurrence in their lives. Many drug dealers on the low end of the totem pole are no worse off in prison than they are on the streets. Most AAS users don't wanna lose their freedom or bank accounts by any means, so they go the extra mile to not get caught. Especially if they seen 1st hand how bad getting busted can throw a monkeywrench into your friend's lives.

It also depends on local law enforcement's attitude towards AAS. For instance, Mr Anti roid John Mcain is AZ's senator-so you can see one of the reasons why AAS is so vigorously prosecuted here. Meth is about the only thing they spend more effort pursuing-and we have the worst meth prob in the country-which just happens to be fueled by identity theft.

Also AAS users are easy targets. Walking around big is like a crackhead walking around with a torch and a glass pipe in his hands 24/7. Most AAS users lead relatively normal lives and have never been in trouble before, so they easily fall prey to cop tricks. They try to tell the cops that they're not bad people, they just wanna be big, etc. The cops will let you talk yourself silly and allow you to think their gonna cut you some slack. Then they nail you to a cross as planned all along. Experienced drug dealers are a whole different breed for LE to deal with. Most have been getting busted since their early teens-which is when they 1st find out all of this stuff. They don't let the cops in w/o a warrant and they know what to say/what not to say when they get popped so they'll be much more costly to prosecute. Why should the cops spend resources going after a guy that will lawyer up immediately when they can get some naive roid user to cooperate and build a solid case against themselves that will yield max fines/penalties?

I'm guessing the majority of you guys that haven't had friends get popped for AAS live in small towns where the cops have limited financial resources. I've lived in AZ since '90 and like clockwork, every 6 months or so a whole group of people get popped for AAS. Many of them cut deals to rat-and that generates the next investigation bust in 6 mos, etc. It's a neverending cycle. Kind of like the HRT program I''ve been on since the late 80's. lol

My answers to 1-8 coming in a couple of hours. I'm going back to bed. Ah the joys of self employment.

 

[KD1]

It also depends on local law enforcement's attitude towards AAS. For instance, Mr Anti roid John Mcain is AZ's senator-so you can see one of the reasons why AAS is so vigorously prosecuted here.

MD is a bad state also.

 

[nuevo laredo]

Johnny Cochran is dead.

Aye - died from a brain tumor last year.

 

[Para_Shoot]

I got one for ya. What do you do when you have all your aas powder laid out on your table next to the international envelope it came in complete with your address as well as the senders, all your conversion kits laid out, the receipies on your laptop in front of you, heavy metal music playing, all your beakers fully loaded with homebrew...and the cops bust in..now what the hell do you do...

 

[Bruce]

let me tell you a story...true story. my boy used to move aas. he has usually 20 vials of winny, 20 eq 20 deca 20 primos and a bunch of anavar. he takes some ghb and passes out. the cops are called and they look through his cabinets and take all the vials. they take the 3 glocks he had, a glock 19, 27, and a baby glock. they bring him to the hospital. he wakes up and finds out what happened, gets a lawyer waiting to be fucked with. the cops had no right to go through his shit, they did not give the shit back but did give him his glocks back. ask for a warrant and read the whole thing and call your lawyer to make sure its legit. some cops will use anything that looks like a warrant to get in

 

[viczeva]

fuck man, u guys got me completely paranoid now. now i gotta move, get new identity, ect.

 

[SwolK]

let me tell you a story...true story. my boy used to move aas. he has usually 20 vials of winny, 20 eq 20 deca 20 primos and a bunch of anavar. he takes some ghb and passes out. the cops are called and they look through his cabinets and take all the vials. they take the 3 glocks he had, a glock 19, 27, and a baby glock. they bring him to the hospital. he wakes up and finds out what happened, gets a lawyer waiting to be fucked with. the cops had no right to go through his shit, they did not give the shit back but did give him his glocks back. ask for a warrant and read the whole thing and call your lawyer to make sure its legit. some cops will use anything that looks like a warrant to get in

just a note, the baby glock is a 40 cal glock 23

 

[boops]

I got one for ya. What do you do when you have all your aas powder laid out on your table next to the international envelope it came in complete with your address as well as the senders, all your conversion kits laid out, the receipies on your laptop in front of you, heavy metal music playing, all your beakers fully loaded with homebrew...and the cops bust in..now what the hell do you do...

2 things

1. ask to see the warrant with your house listed as the place to search

2. simultaneously, pray they dont have one

 

[Big_Joe]

You have to be arrested first to ask for an attorney bro. They purposely ask you if the contraband is yours before they arrest you intentionally.

This is not true. You can ask to consult with an attorney at any time. The police are only required to provide you with one after you are arrested.

 

[BigCracker]

just a note, the baby glock is a 40 cal glock 23

Isn't the 26 a 9 mm considered baby glock too?

 

[SwolK]

Isn't the 26 a 9 mm considered baby glock too?

I just checked it out. you are right, even golck refers to it as the "baby glock"

the 23 i was referring to is a small 40 cal. but you are right...

 

[BigCracker]

This is not true. You can ask to consult with an attorney at any time. The police are only required to provide you with one after you are arrested.

Sure, you can ask to consult an attorney before the cops at any time-that doesn't mean that they won't continue to ask(badger) you with questions until they actually arrest you. After they arrest you, and you request an attorney-that's when the questioning is supposed to stop. OK Matlock? And btw-a minimum retainer for a criminal lawyer is around $5K. Most casual AAS users aren't going to have one. They'll have to wait to consult legal counsel until after they're arrested anyhow.

In addition, court appointed lawyers suck-they get paid regardless of whether they win or lose your case. It's also very likely they go golfing with the prosecutors on the weekends since they're all on the same payroll. In a situation like this your court appointed attorney isn't going to be a pitbull defending your case by any means. So don't expect to get off on any technicalities either like you might be able to with an attorney that you hire yourself.

 

[BigCracker]

2 detectives show up at you and your gf's crib w/ a warrant to search for AAS. They find 10 x 10ml bottles of test cyp in your dresser. They ask you if it's yours. (question #1) What do you say? Regardless of how you answer #1, you're probably getting arrested for possession. They bring you down to the police station, book you,print you, etc. They sit you in a small room for about 2 hrs deliberately so you'll be hating life, nervous, and ready to cooperate. (question #2) In comes a cop, he asks you if the steroids were yours again. What do you answer? The cop tells you the only way he can help you is if you help him. He says if you can get 2 of your friends(or anyone willing) to sell you roids on hidden video they'll let you off 100%-no court/no fines/no police record/nothing. (question #3) Do you take the deal? Let's assume you don't take the deal. Now the cop pulls out a statement signed by your gf/wife saying that the roids were yours exclusively, and if you don't admit possession they're arresting your wife/gf too. They also threaten to seize your house and cars. You now feel guilty that you got your old lady involved in your personal BS. (question #4) Do you bite the bullet and admit the roids were yours? Let's say you're a selfish bastard and you feel totally betrayed by your gf/wife for signing that document, so they offer you a shot at signing a similar statement saying the roids were in fact hers. (question #5) Do you sign it and let that Judas bitch take the heat? In general, the cops trying to let you know you've fucked up real bad and you're going down big time no matter what. (question #6) What do you say? (question #7) How long can you expect to be in jail before getting released?

Question #1-Your best answer is I have no clue how those got there. I've never seen them before. Sure, the cops will know you're lying with 10 bottles of cyp in your sock drawer but fuck them. At this point you're innocent until proven guilty in court-not your bedroom. Don't stray from this. Deny! Deny! Deny!

Question #2-Same as question #1, Deny any knowledge of the AAS in your drawer and request an attorney. The questioning should stop-but this is when they'll offer you the special deal.

Question #3-No you don't take the deal. Even if you cooperated and set up 2 guys like they asked in exchange for dropping the charges, if they feel like it they can still bring up charges against you again any time over the next 3 yrs. The charges will also still show on your record-even if you weren't convicted. I've seen this happen a few times-and after cooperating they still end up having to go to trial in the same way as if they would've w/o cooperating. The only difference is now you're a narc too.

Question #4. You stick to your story in Question #1-never deviate from it regardless of what documents the cops show you. It's not uncommon for them to forge your wife/gf's signature to get you to comply/admit guilt-do not pass go, do not collect $200, go directly to jail.

Question #5. same as question #4. Even if you blame wifey/gf you now deviated your initial story where you denied all knowledge of AAS in your house. This will pull you right back into the mix and now the wife/gf is in deep shit too. Also if you're married, you will be required to have seperate trials which means double the legal fees, fines, etc.

Question #6. The best thing you can do is seem like you have very little concern. The cops are gonna try to make you feel as if you're a murderer/child molester that's gonna get 20 yrs getting assraped by Bubba and shived by the mexican mafia. Don't let them get to you. You're in for a shitty ride, but your life isn't over yet-esp on a 1st offense. Jail time will be highly unlikely, but the cops won't let you know this.

Question #7. with 10 bottles of test you are hardly a big time dealer of AAS. If it's your 1st time being in trouble, you'll probably be talking to a judge in under 24 hrs-but maybe a bit longer if it's a weekend or holiday. You'll probably be released w/ your own signature on a document promising to show up to court on a certain date. The only way bail will be required is if you're a flight risk(ex not an American Citizen).

 

[SwolK]

good info BC

 

[wants2getbig]

Sure, you can ask to consult an attorney before the cops at any time-that doesn't mean that they won't continue to ask(badger) you with questions until they actually arrest you. After they arrest you, and you request an attorney-that's when the questioning is supposed to stop. OK Matlock? And btw-a minimum retainer for a criminal lawyer is around $5K. Most casual AAS users aren't going to have one. They'll have to wait to consult legal counsel until after they're arrested anyhow.

In addition, court appointed lawyers suck-they get paid regardless of whether they win or lose your case. It's also very likely they go golfing with the prosecutors on the weekends since they're all on the same payroll. In a situation like this your court appointed attorney isn't going to be a pitbull defending your case by any means. So don't expect to get off on any technicalities either like you might be able to with an attorney that you hire yourself.

We call public defenders - public pretenders cause they've already worked out a deal with da DA. All dey have to do is convince you to take it. They did that shit to me and I got a suspended sentence for aggravated assault. Seek out a private attorney your chances are better.

 

[gtrcivic]

well all the rules have changed now with Bush having his #1 goal to get rid of steroids use and use in professional baseball....no slap on the wrist i don't think if you get caught w/roids....

 

[BigCracker]

well all the rules have changed now with Bush having his #1 goal to get rid of steroids use and use in professional baseball....no slap on the wrist i don't think if you get caught w/roids....

Sounds to me like it will affect dealers more than users. Users can likely expect price increases due to dealer's increased risk though.

If anyone has suggestions on better ways to handle 1-7 I'm open to hearing what you have to say. I'm not a lawyer, but I pretend to be one in real life.

 

[DieselGunz]

Wow great thread!

 

[BigCracker]

Wow great thread!

Let's just hope guys retain this 411 and put it to good use when needed.

 

[JuiceHead659]

I don't know but if you say a package is not yours and then they go in your house and find Creatine, Weight Gainer, Weights it will be kinda of shit its hard not to connect you to it.

I always leave my weight gainer and shit at work as I am always there and the gym is next door. Also, what if you ordered some wieght gainer and when it arrived at your house you wait a couple of days and then go to the post office and say you didnt order that. Do this a at the a couple of weeks before putting in an order for gear so if something should happen you have some shit on record of receiving things that are not yours.

Also, I have been arretsed for a 1/2 pound of weed. They drilled me all night. I sat in the chair reclining with not a care in the world. And all I kept sayin was "Listen I know you have a job to do but I am not speaking to you until I have a lawyer. They kept me there from 11PM til 9AM and gave me my phone call right before they brought me to court the next morning. I posted bail and they said Justice of Peace would come around 2 AM.. That was all BS.


Now everytime I get pulled over and I have been drinking or whatever I call my girl and tell her if I dont call you within 30 minutes send my lawyer to the _______ police station.l

Same thing if someone kicks in your door while there lookin around call someone and say that to them. This way your not at the station more than 20 minutes and your lawyer is there to stop anyone from fuckin up.

 

[iHulk]

awesome thread bigcracker. aside from a few posts straying fom the orginal intent of this thread (talking about glocks n' shit) was one of the best reads in a while.

fuck da popo

 

[SwolK]

awesome thread bigcracker. aside from a few posts straying fom the orginal intent of this thread (talking about glocks n' shit) was one of the best reads in a while.

fuck da popo

this is a great thread, very informative.
i dont think my response to the thread starter,BC, about a glock ruined the original intent of the thread.

this is good info that we all need to be aware of, you never know what can go down no matter how careful you are.

tried to hook you up again BC. but "You cannot give Karma to the same post twice."

 

[supra5469]

Thread of the week!!!!! You got my vote BC!

 

[Quiltie]

Awesome thread by BigCracker!

Sticky! Sticky! Sticky!

 

[BigCracker]

this is a great thread, very informative.
i dont think my response to the thread starter,BC, about a glock ruined the original intent of the thread.

Glocks almost pertain to this thread somewhat since it's the #1 choice of handguns for most cops. lol

Gotta love the safety being in the trigger. The 26 is my fave concealed-carry weapon. It's also a gun your old lady can use with confidence (for self defense) when you're not around.

 

[bigrand]

Nope-throwing away your empty pins/vials in your trash. Once you take your garbage out to the dumpster or set it roadside for pick up it's fair game for cops to search. If they find anything in it AAS related it will be enough to get a warrant to search your crib. Even cycles you've mapped out on paper would be enough in most cases-so shred that stuff too.

All that planning by the cops to bust a personal user..?? Just dont see it happening much, unless they have reason to believe you have loads of gear and plan to sell.